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Sony do have one saving grace in the face of this mountain of bad press.....
The absolute best exclusive games in the fucking industry.
The absolute best exclusive games in the fucking industry.
Don't dress up Sony's doings as just "legal procedings". That's just silly semantics, trying to hide the real issue. Bad Karma is bad karma. That's all there is to it. You can say all you want, but Sony could have handled things better, while still protecting their interests.
And again, I'm not defending hackers. Besides, ignoring the hackers, Sony has a social responsibility to protect consumers data. While everyone is hackable, I do believe they should have paid more attention to it.
And again, I'm not defending hackers. Besides, ignoring the hackers, Sony has a social responsibility to protect consumers data. While everyone is hackable, I do believe they should have paid more attention to it.
I just really hope that the people doing the hacking are Americans and that they can be criminally charged. I also hope that we eventually start hearing stories of these hackers getting caught, getting charged... and instead of civil court and a slap on the wrist of suing them for money they don't have - I hope they see some serious prison time.
... this is no different than armed robbery. Even if the theives aren't profiting, they're certainly causing financial losses to the companies they are targeting.
... this is no different than armed robbery. Even if the theives aren't profiting, they're certainly causing financial losses to the companies they are targeting.
I normally don't wish harm upon people, but I wish these hackers would just fucking die. Whatever they were trying to prove has long since been overshadowed by all the trouble this is causing.
This is just utterly ridiculous now and I hope whoever is behind this gets some serious jail time.
This is just utterly ridiculous now and I hope whoever is behind this gets some serious jail time.
Fact of the matter is no matter how much you disagree with Sony's way of doing things, Sony operate within the law. These hackers don't.
I predicted it, I said Sony must update security on EVERY SINGLE web server they have because once hackers know you are an easy target, they will ATTACK. Herpie Derpie.
Sony IS responsible for maintaining a certain level of security because their customers trust them with their personal data. However, people making analogies like "Sony is like a bank that left the vault door open" or "like leaving money on the floor" is a bit ridiculous.
It's not like they had absolutely no security whatsoever. Everyone is vulnerable to hackers. Just look at Eidos (I think it was them) getting hacked a few weeks ago.
I'm sure hackers could mess with plenty of other companies if they tried hard enough.
It's not like they had absolutely no security whatsoever. Everyone is vulnerable to hackers. Just look at Eidos (I think it was them) getting hacked a few weeks ago.
I'm sure hackers could mess with plenty of other companies if they tried hard enough.
@Sexualchocolate
Which is why I made the comment about karma. Karma doesn't care about the law. It just is.
The hackers certainly need to go to jail, but Sony themselves had the power to foresee this. It's quite simple. Treat the world as crap and you get crap in return. The law doesn't protect you from this.
Now, assholes certainly have the right to act as assholes. But then you should have the good sense to have better defenses. Fact of the matter is, hackers are criminals. But Sony fucked up their defenses. I would have more sympathy with Sony if their security was topnotch.
Which is why I made the comment about karma. Karma doesn't care about the law. It just is.
The hackers certainly need to go to jail, but Sony themselves had the power to foresee this. It's quite simple. Treat the world as crap and you get crap in return. The law doesn't protect you from this.
Now, assholes certainly have the right to act as assholes. But then you should have the good sense to have better defenses. Fact of the matter is, hackers are criminals. But Sony fucked up their defenses. I would have more sympathy with Sony if their security was topnotch.
@Inku It's relevant because of the similar crimes, only this time it went one step further and actual customer's information was leaked publicly.
Also to those who think Sony "deserves this"--so does every corporation in the world, and yet just one company is attacked over and over. Why is that? I can think of a literal ton of companies that commit environmental and unethical atrocities--and you think Sony is history's greatest corporate monster?
Pick up a newspaper once in a while.
Also to those who think Sony "deserves this"--so does every corporation in the world, and yet just one company is attacked over and over. Why is that? I can think of a literal ton of companies that commit environmental and unethical atrocities--and you think Sony is history's greatest corporate monster?
Pick up a newspaper once in a while.
Sure, Sony does things within the legal limits, but are they correct? They will slap you with 50 lawsuits, each one more ridiculous than the next one, lawsuits that have no basis to them and are turned down by the courts. But each one will cost you a lot of money. They basically brute force their way through the legal system in order to get what they want from you.
Yes, this is users data, but who looks bad here, the hackers or Sony that didn't protect YOUR information? Of course, Sony is who looks bad. This is why I don't defend the hackers, but I certainly cannot say "Aw poor Sony", they caused this upon themselves, and they deserve it completely, not the customers. If someone is at fault, it's Sony.
You would expect they'd protect your personal information the way they zealously protect their intellectual property.
Yes, this is users data, but who looks bad here, the hackers or Sony that didn't protect YOUR information? Of course, Sony is who looks bad. This is why I don't defend the hackers, but I certainly cannot say "Aw poor Sony", they caused this upon themselves, and they deserve it completely, not the customers. If someone is at fault, it's Sony.
You would expect they'd protect your personal information the way they zealously protect their intellectual property.
@Solid Squirrel But nobody is feeling sorry for these other companies, and we have people feeling sorry for Sony.
Also, these other companies know they're dicks so they tighten their security. Sony apparently doesn't.
Also, these other companies know they're dicks so they tighten their security. Sony apparently doesn't.
How well they are or not protecting the information is irrelevant when the Hackers put it out there for other people the fuck with. You say you're not defending the hackers but when you say Sony deserves it, it is a contradiction. You're defending the hackers in some way, shape or form.
Sony should protect the information, but because they may not do as well as they should doesn't mean hackers should do whatever they want if they can. That's like saying if I accidentally leave my door unlocked people can take my shit.
And once again saying 'Sony brought this to themselves' makes no sense when customers information is taken and being put out there.
Sony should protect the information, but because they may not do as well as they should doesn't mean hackers should do whatever they want if they can. That's like saying if I accidentally leave my door unlocked people can take my shit.
And once again saying 'Sony brought this to themselves' makes no sense when customers information is taken and being put out there.
Yeah! Murder! Burn! Kill! Bring down the big bad corporation! Let's make them a shell of a corporation, make them extinct like the Dodo! Nice to see that people seem to enjoy seeing corporations being tortured and kicked while they are down. I'll never understand the enjoyment people get out of such assholish things.
oh for fucks sake...
and for all the people that still blame Sony for this. The hell is wrong with you? It looks like Sony had good reason to be proactive against hackers.
and for all the people that still blame Sony for this. The hell is wrong with you? It looks like Sony had good reason to be proactive against hackers.
What exactly do you guys mean when you say they screwed over their customers? How many gamers really gave a shit about the ability to run Linux (poorly) on their PS3? Honestly. While I think having and then removing BC for PS2 games was a bit annoying, I don't think it demands the sort of ire they are getting. Nintendo have been pretty terrible when it comes to their attacks on piracy and such, but no one goes around poking them with invasive e-penises. Microsoft too has done enough for all of these companies in terms of being general bastards about their monopoly on the OS realm, for example--why not take it to them? (Of course, all the malware available on Windows devices proves to some extent that people are in fact taking it to them, but still.) All of this action against Sony seems indefensible anymore. The Hotz issue is dead. Let's move on.
I WIIIIISSSSHHHH these hackers would put their skills to use for a cause that better helps humanity like hacking the IMF and distributing funds to organizations like Kiva and the rest of the world's poor or maybe the Pentagon sending memos that we should no longer be invading other countries to monopolize their resources and oppress their people and such. There are so many other things to do with these talents than waste them on fucking with a consumer electronics company ffs.
I WIIIIISSSSHHHH these hackers would put their skills to use for a cause that better helps humanity like hacking the IMF and distributing funds to organizations like Kiva and the rest of the world's poor or maybe the Pentagon sending memos that we should no longer be invading other countries to monopolize their resources and oppress their people and such. There are so many other things to do with these talents than waste them on fucking with a consumer electronics company ffs.
@Satsumomo
Sony isn't the biggest target right now because they have the worst security. And it's not like other companies haven't been getting hacked because their security is SOOO GOOD.
The fact is, there are plenty of corporations doing far worse things in the world. And I fully believe that they are vulnerable to hacking as well; their security may be "tighter" than Sony's, but c'mon... you know there's still holes.
So I think the point Solid Squirrel was trying to make is: "Why Sony?"
Sony isn't the biggest target right now because they have the worst security. And it's not like other companies haven't been getting hacked because their security is SOOO GOOD.
The fact is, there are plenty of corporations doing far worse things in the world. And I fully believe that they are vulnerable to hacking as well; their security may be "tighter" than Sony's, but c'mon... you know there's still holes.
So I think the point Solid Squirrel was trying to make is: "Why Sony?"
you know guys if it was not for the big psn hack these small time attacks would not be reported(on gaming sites anyway). These typ of attacks happen all the fucking time to all companies. also it is not uncommon to see various new small attacks after a successful large attack. And if you expect a large company to be able to stop every single goddam attack while recovering from a huge attack you are fucking nieve(hell you are naive if you expect a large company to be impervious from attacks). If you plan on bringing up every single attack from now on you are going to have many posts.
I would be less inclined to say that Sony deserved it, were they responsible for only their own things. But while hackers are inexcusable for doing this, so is Sony inexcusable for not taking their responsibility seriously. Especially if it was foreseeable.
Bottomline, whenever companies tend to protect their own interests better than they protect other people's properties, they lose my respect. It says something about how they see consumers.
The above is in no way defending hackers. That's a seperate case entirely. I'm judging Sony merely on how they lived up to their responisibilities as a company.The hackers don't even come into the equation.
If you accidentily leave the door unlocked, certainly you don't deserve to be robbed. But whenever you are responsible for other people's property and you leave the door unlocked, guess what: You deserve to be SUED.
People talk about the law here, but there's a good case to be made that Sony could be sued LAWFULLY and pay fines. The law doesn't look kindly on companies that screw up their responsibility. Talk about irony.
Bottomline, whenever companies tend to protect their own interests better than they protect other people's properties, they lose my respect. It says something about how they see consumers.
The above is in no way defending hackers. That's a seperate case entirely. I'm judging Sony merely on how they lived up to their responisibilities as a company.The hackers don't even come into the equation.
If you accidentily leave the door unlocked, certainly you don't deserve to be robbed. But whenever you are responsible for other people's property and you leave the door unlocked, guess what: You deserve to be SUED.
People talk about the law here, but there's a good case to be made that Sony could be sued LAWFULLY and pay fines. The law doesn't look kindly on companies that screw up their responsibility. Talk about irony.
jcfimp247: hell all the other companies are probably being hacked right now its just not be reported.
jonat3: Sony did not leave the fucking door unlocked. If you think it is so easy to hack sonys shit then try it yourself. And there is no case because as of right now there are no confirmed cases of identity theft and you had a fucking month to change your CC/Debit (your are retarded if you used your debit) info anyway.
@Stop Spoilers
"hell all the other companies are probably being hacked right now its just not be reported."
True.
It seems like there's nothing else happening on this scale right now though. But you're right, it may just seem that way because it's flooding the news.
"hell all the other companies are probably being hacked right now its just not be reported."
True.
It seems like there's nothing else happening on this scale right now though. But you're right, it may just seem that way because it's flooding the news.
@Elsa
They'll never be caught. Not only because of all the effort it would take but because the goal right now, and as it always will be, is to not catch the hackers but protect from them. They've already proven that they're parasitic and even if you catch 100 of them 1000 will reappear. They're almost untraceable and they're basically unstoppable. It's a lost cause to try and catch them when that effort can be put towards protecting the consumers from them.
They'll never be caught. Not only because of all the effort it would take but because the goal right now, and as it always will be, is to not catch the hackers but protect from them. They've already proven that they're parasitic and even if you catch 100 of them 1000 will reappear. They're almost untraceable and they're basically unstoppable. It's a lost cause to try and catch them when that effort can be put towards protecting the consumers from them.
Oh guys if you hate sony so much here is a idea. Dont fucking buy from them and sell your ps3 if you have one. There you go problem solved. You have extra cash from the ps3 and you dont have to deal with sony anymore.
Perhaps not unlocked, but nearly the same thing. I've read the news. Security could have been much better: important updates weren't implemented, etc. Go look it up yourself.
Ok, I've said my piece. Bottomline, Sony is not blameless. I do not hate Sony as some people might think. At times I have even defended them. But the fact that the hackers did wrong, does not absolve them of their repsonsibilities.
And for the record, only my brother had a PS3 account. Good thing only old creditcard information was on it.
Ok, I've said my piece. Bottomline, Sony is not blameless. I do not hate Sony as some people might think. At times I have even defended them. But the fact that the hackers did wrong, does not absolve them of their repsonsibilities.
And for the record, only my brother had a PS3 account. Good thing only old creditcard information was on it.
Perhaps not unlocked, but nearly the same thing. I've read the news. Security could have been much better: important updates weren't implemented, etc. Go look it up yourself.
Ok, I've said my piece. Bottomline, Sony is not blameless. I do not hate Sony as some people might think. At times I have even defended them. But the fact that the hackers did wrong, does not absolve them of their repsonsibilities.
And for the record, only my brother had a PS3 account. Good thing only old creditcard information was on it.
Ok, I've said my piece. Bottomline, Sony is not blameless. I do not hate Sony as some people might think. At times I have even defended them. But the fact that the hackers did wrong, does not absolve them of their repsonsibilities.
And for the record, only my brother had a PS3 account. Good thing only old creditcard information was on it.
I like to think that the first hacker who targeted Sony accomplished what it was they wanted to do and that all of the attacks afterward were done by copycats and glory hounds.
You know what the funniest part about this is? The hackers are doing the very opposite of helping their case. They're no longer putting a magnifying glass on Sony's business practices, they're putting a magnifying glass on the hacking community. The longer they run wild on the internet like this, the quicker laws and bills will be passed to remove anonymity and give companies like Sony more power to squash online criminals.
Hackers are literally screwing themselves over... what probably would've taken another 5 years to happen I can all but guarantee will happen in the next year due to their own silly antics.
Hackers are literally screwing themselves over... what probably would've taken another 5 years to happen I can all but guarantee will happen in the next year due to their own silly antics.
I love you fools saying Sony "deserves" this when Sony is barely the target here.
I'm going to steal you car and light it on fire becuse Ford has been charging us to much latelty for vehicles.
I'm going to steal you car and light it on fire becuse Ford has been charging us to much latelty for vehicles.
mix: I thing a better statement would be this "Im going to mess with fords manufacturing plants because ford has been charging us too much lately for vehicles" (that could cause safety issues for the people working there and customers that could also cause higher prices)
I don't see this as an attack on Sony anymore, this is a criminal act aimed at getting the personal information of people who have nothing to do with Sony for someone's personal gain. Targeting those that have nothing to do with said company, IMO, makes you nothing but a terrorist.
Why would anyone spend 2 seconds defending hackers when 100 percent of them are leeching off someone else.
@Stop Spoilers
Except they are stealing our credit card info and posting personal information online that doesn't hurt Sony but you do make a good point :P
Except they are stealing our credit card info and posting personal information online that doesn't hurt Sony but you do make a good point :P
I don't mind Sony getting kicked around a bit, they are so full of crap these days and Securom is a goddamn monster.
That said, anybody who goes after innocent customers and pretends to be the messiah when they are really just some nerd who probably pirates the hell out of things on a daily basis needs to be stopped.
That said, anybody who goes after innocent customers and pretends to be the messiah when they are really just some nerd who probably pirates the hell out of things on a daily basis needs to be stopped.
@ jonat
yeah those rumours you were talking about were debunked.
And it's exactly as quiotu says you better believe at the end of the year congress will pass laws that will kill the ability to remain anonymous on the net thanks to this stupidity.
yeah those rumours you were talking about were debunked.
And it's exactly as quiotu says you better believe at the end of the year congress will pass laws that will kill the ability to remain anonymous on the net thanks to this stupidity.
Well, lets see. For one thing, this is a traditional form of protest against a corporation. Granted the methods being used are new due to technology, but this is not too dissimilar from folks throwing their sabots into the machines to break em. Taking customers data is not unlike 19th century union thugs breaking into businesses so they knew precisely who to go after to intimidate in order to force the closure of some private business.
Anyone can spin this any way they want to. Personally I think its effing hilarious. Why the fugg has Sony not brought down every single part of their online presence until this is completely rectified? By bringing up systems early, exacerbating the problem without proper security, Sony has not done its due diligence in the defense of their customer's information, and it is now looking to me more and more like criminal negligence on their behalf. Why haven't governments stepped in and forced Sony to shutdown all operations seeing as how they are incapable of securing anything? Some of us have not been Sony customers for several years, yet Sony has held onto our data (most likely selling it whenever the opportunity presented itself, like every other corporation out there) and in turn allowed us to be put at risk, why has there not been anything done about that?
Piss and moan at the hackers, maybe it makes you feel better or gives you some sort of moral leg up, I dunno, dun care. Sony has been a shittastic company for years and the hackers have done something that was far overdue, imo. Lay off of Sony? Maybe Sony needs to get their heads out of their asses and bring the shit down until its properly addressed, fuck look at the moronic password reset bullshit for a beautiful example of their complete and utter incompetence. Lay off of Sony? LOL.
Anyone can spin this any way they want to. Personally I think its effing hilarious. Why the fugg has Sony not brought down every single part of their online presence until this is completely rectified? By bringing up systems early, exacerbating the problem without proper security, Sony has not done its due diligence in the defense of their customer's information, and it is now looking to me more and more like criminal negligence on their behalf. Why haven't governments stepped in and forced Sony to shutdown all operations seeing as how they are incapable of securing anything? Some of us have not been Sony customers for several years, yet Sony has held onto our data (most likely selling it whenever the opportunity presented itself, like every other corporation out there) and in turn allowed us to be put at risk, why has there not been anything done about that?
Piss and moan at the hackers, maybe it makes you feel better or gives you some sort of moral leg up, I dunno, dun care. Sony has been a shittastic company for years and the hackers have done something that was far overdue, imo. Lay off of Sony? Maybe Sony needs to get their heads out of their asses and bring the shit down until its properly addressed, fuck look at the moronic password reset bullshit for a beautiful example of their complete and utter incompetence. Lay off of Sony? LOL.
I keep reading points about how its not just against Sony these days with the release of consumer info. While that does suck, if you are trying to attack a company like Sony, Isint attacking their cred and customer base one of the best ways to get and keep their attention. It drags their security cred through the mud and makes consumers scared to use the service. Thus the company loses revenue stream. I'm not much of an internet kid but what else could they attack?
@severius
Well, there's two problems with your points.
For one, every traditional form of protest you pointed out, past and present, is... ILLEGAL. There's plenty of legal ways to protest, you're just pointing out the ones that are crimes and typically don't work.
Second, your point revolves around the idea that Sony actually had bad security. Getting hacked doesn't mean your security is bad, it just means that someone wanted inside bad enough. And someone did in this case, going as far as hijacking Amazon's cloud servers to do so. Every rumor of Sony's bad security is debunked, the investigations led by several countries have led to zero fines... in fact they've led to congressmen commending Sony's reaction time.
Everyone except the majority of entitled asshole hackers in the world seem to think Sony did everything they could, and are being bullied by a group of criminals mad that Sony took their toys away. That's reality.
Well, there's two problems with your points.
For one, every traditional form of protest you pointed out, past and present, is... ILLEGAL. There's plenty of legal ways to protest, you're just pointing out the ones that are crimes and typically don't work.
Second, your point revolves around the idea that Sony actually had bad security. Getting hacked doesn't mean your security is bad, it just means that someone wanted inside bad enough. And someone did in this case, going as far as hijacking Amazon's cloud servers to do so. Every rumor of Sony's bad security is debunked, the investigations led by several countries have led to zero fines... in fact they've led to congressmen commending Sony's reaction time.
Everyone except the majority of entitled asshole hackers in the world seem to think Sony did everything they could, and are being bullied by a group of criminals mad that Sony took their toys away. That's reality.
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