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Own a vita, only played P4G and Gravity Rush. Good games but one I already played 4 years ago.
On contrary 3ds has big games (500k+) like FE, DQ, NSMB, animal crossing etc just this year.. And also solid mid tier games (150~300k) released each month like kid icarus etc.(last month's SQ4 is divinely good, btw. current goty for me.)
so far vita had one mid tier (P4G), an HD port. and that's it...
Handheld last gen served as a haven for many mid to small developers because of the low cost and relatively stable market. The development cost on vita is high (maker may as well put a vita game on ps3 like ps all-star. then why buy vita?) and the current install base cannot convince those mid tier developers to jump in.
It needs a massive new title that has mainstream appeal (Mario, mainline DQ, Monhun level) and probably a price cut to boost hardware sell, not just niche falcom games and miku games.
Yes 3ds also had a rough period but we all know Mario, animal crossing, FE, Smash Bros etc (and then MonHun) are on the horizon. Can AC and Blops do it for vita? Not sure. Both are spin-offs of perceived console/pc games...
lack of backward compatibility also hurts. There're still more PSP games getting released than Vita (in Japan).
On contrary 3ds has big games (500k+) like FE, DQ, NSMB, animal crossing etc just this year.. And also solid mid tier games (150~300k) released each month like kid icarus etc.(last month's SQ4 is divinely good, btw. current goty for me.)
so far vita had one mid tier (P4G), an HD port. and that's it...
Handheld last gen served as a haven for many mid to small developers because of the low cost and relatively stable market. The development cost on vita is high (maker may as well put a vita game on ps3 like ps all-star. then why buy vita?) and the current install base cannot convince those mid tier developers to jump in.
It needs a massive new title that has mainstream appeal (Mario, mainline DQ, Monhun level) and probably a price cut to boost hardware sell, not just niche falcom games and miku games.
Yes 3ds also had a rough period but we all know Mario, animal crossing, FE, Smash Bros etc (and then MonHun) are on the horizon. Can AC and Blops do it for vita? Not sure. Both are spin-offs of perceived console/pc games...
lack of backward compatibility also hurts. There're still more PSP games getting released than Vita (in Japan).
I really think this should've launched as the PSP 2 with full PSN BC. UMD BC seems impractical, and I'm not sure what they could've done about getting digital equivalents of physical UMD games. However, they should've at least had everything on PSN ready from the get go. Someone with a PSP Go (there a few dozen people out there.. I swear) should've seen the jump to the Vita as a win-win/no-brainer. Instead, there was.. nothing at all.
As a PSP owner, I don't even see the Vita as a potential successor right now. It's a technological marvel, but it simply lacks games that can compete. I'm sure big games are coming, but that's exactly the great thing about old games: they can help to fill that gap.
/genius plan to save Sony
As a PSP owner, I don't even see the Vita as a potential successor right now. It's a technological marvel, but it simply lacks games that can compete. I'm sure big games are coming, but that's exactly the great thing about old games: they can help to fill that gap.
/genius plan to save Sony
I'm a new Vita owner and I purchased a 3DS from day 1. The Vita is the most impressive peace of hardware that I have seen. I love the hardware and I love the games so far. When i compare the Vita with the 3DS, hardware and software wise, is like comparing a Toy made for kids and a toy made for teens+. My biggest complain on the Vita -- PSN vita games full games and small games - I go to purchase a game and the game has like 4 different category. Full game with a price tag and a brunch of different add on or packages with different price tags. When you add all the crap together, the game is wayyy to expensive. Download content in my view is like purchasing incomplete games which is my current issue with console games. I do not want to see that crap on a handheld device and that is one of the reasons why I'm moving away from consoles. Make a handheld game to its fullest potential and then sell it. DO NOT MAKE A HANDHELD GAME WITH PLANS TO ADD ON CRAP LATER AND MAKE THE GAME OWNER PAY FOR THE ADDED CONTENT. That just pisses me off. The rest, memory card, price cut, more games have already been said.
As much of a Playstation fan as I am, Sony has a history of mistreating their early adopters. There's almost no point in purchasing a Sony system in its first year of release. The inevitable re-issue of the Vita with improved system specs will eventually happen in a pathetic effort from Sony to revitalize sales, but they constantly fail to realize the fundamental concept that games sell systems. I bought a PS3 specifically for Metal Gear Solid 4 and after playing it, I had a long wait until the next PS3 game I wanted to play came out. I won't make that mistake again, especially in the handheld market.
Seems like most of the people who are loving their vitas are in love with the tech of the thing, while those who are wary of it seem to mostly be prioritizing having a variety of fun games to play. I've gotta say I'm much closer to the latter than the former. Great graphics are wonderful but the games they have available right now just aren't that appealing to me, and even when P4 and FFX hit that's not enough to get me to spend over $300 to play them.
Hopefully it'll eventually grow to become a quality portable like the PSP did, but I'm not wasting money with an early purchase again. I'll be quite content with my 3DS, DS and PSP games until buying a vita makes more sense to me.
Hopefully it'll eventually grow to become a quality portable like the PSP did, but I'm not wasting money with an early purchase again. I'll be quite content with my 3DS, DS and PSP games until buying a vita makes more sense to me.
Excuse me while I rant like a moron.
You're fucking Sony! One of the biggest electronics companies in the world, with your laptops, TVs and consoles selling like hotcakes, but you're having trouble getting support for the most powerful handheld on the market? You're having trouble getting companies to get behind it? Yeah, bullshit. You know what it is? You're lazy. You don't give a fuck, and you think people will just buy it because it has a PlayStation logo on it. You could get the support of any game company you want by waving some money in their faces, but you don't.
You just sit there and hope for people to buy a system that you barely support. My family wasted hard-earned money getting me one as a gift, and I feel angry that they spent cash getting me something that I can't very well play or look forward to anything on. I hate people wasting money on me, and I wish I could pay them back for the thing to get some guilt off of my mind. Game systems shouldn't bring you guilt, they should help you escape from guilt. I love the device, but you barely support it.
So, Sony, if you want to pull horseshit excuses out of your butt, go right ahead. But don't pretend like you can't get third-party devs interested in what is a essentially a portable PS3. That's B.S., and you know it.
You're fucking Sony! One of the biggest electronics companies in the world, with your laptops, TVs and consoles selling like hotcakes, but you're having trouble getting support for the most powerful handheld on the market? You're having trouble getting companies to get behind it? Yeah, bullshit. You know what it is? You're lazy. You don't give a fuck, and you think people will just buy it because it has a PlayStation logo on it. You could get the support of any game company you want by waving some money in their faces, but you don't.
You just sit there and hope for people to buy a system that you barely support. My family wasted hard-earned money getting me one as a gift, and I feel angry that they spent cash getting me something that I can't very well play or look forward to anything on. I hate people wasting money on me, and I wish I could pay them back for the thing to get some guilt off of my mind. Game systems shouldn't bring you guilt, they should help you escape from guilt. I love the device, but you barely support it.
So, Sony, if you want to pull horseshit excuses out of your butt, go right ahead. But don't pretend like you can't get third-party devs interested in what is a essentially a portable PS3. That's B.S., and you know it.
i love the tech the vita has, the game selection though is a bummer.
topple that with other BC issues(portable ops and portable ops+ to name a few) not all PSP games are available on PSN that was launch on UMD(Metal Gear Acid, Crisis Core, Kingdom Hearts etc)
overprice memory cards, region free BUT you have to reset everything to use a new account region(who the fuck came up with this)
*Sigh
wow just wow sony.
topple that with other BC issues(portable ops and portable ops+ to name a few) not all PSP games are available on PSN that was launch on UMD(Metal Gear Acid, Crisis Core, Kingdom Hearts etc)
overprice memory cards, region free BUT you have to reset everything to use a new account region(who the fuck came up with this)
*Sigh
wow just wow sony.
I thought they were rolling out support for PSone games in waves? I thought I read that anyway. Still though, this is disappointing news. I love my Vita.
i agree with tim man, what i really want to see is some sort of gundam game pass on to the vita, or a zoids game
to many big name developers are to busy making games for consoles,. what companies need to do is scale down the games for portables. they dont have to be huge grfx block busters and shit, just make them good. just because a system has power doesnt mean it always needs to be used to its fullest. why arnt companies making more sprite based games these days? you could make a godly huge contra game with more weapons, levels, enemies on screen if they just stop using 3d worlds and shit.
like why arnt konami making castlevanias for it? why only nintendo portables? make a new castlevania SOTN sequel, watch that thing sell like the tits. just dont make it fuckin 3D, make it 2D like it should be.
like why arnt konami making castlevanias for it? why only nintendo portables? make a new castlevania SOTN sequel, watch that thing sell like the tits. just dont make it fuckin 3D, make it 2D like it should be.
@fetus
Sprites aren't necessarily cheap either.
@elektro
Not many are actually naysaying here, we actually want to see this thing improve so we have a reason to purchase it
Sprites aren't necessarily cheap either.
@elektro
Not many are actually naysaying here, we actually want to see this thing improve so we have a reason to purchase it
After playing sound shapes sony needs to change their priorities.
Sony needs to get more indie support. Indies seem like such a good fit for the vita.
To me that seems like the only logical solution. Having a steady flow of lower budget games regardless if it is exclusive or not will make the wait more bearable between bigger releases.
Seems to me that would take a lot of pressure off sony and grow better relations between consumers and developers.
Sony needs to get more indie support. Indies seem like such a good fit for the vita.
To me that seems like the only logical solution. Having a steady flow of lower budget games regardless if it is exclusive or not will make the wait more bearable between bigger releases.
Seems to me that would take a lot of pressure off sony and grow better relations between consumers and developers.
Well i have an interesting offer on my table right now. My gstop buddy got a free Vita bundle (3g w/ 8gb mem) and Uncharted and MGS coll AND a $50 psn card from a Sony thing. He wants me to buy it for $150. I'm tempted as all hell, but looking at the current lineup, I'm kind of hesitant. But the flip side is all the psn stuff I already have. Quite a few PSP games and some ps1 stuff too. Plus all the SMT love on it....shit, I'm doing it next week. Fuck it.
@fetusmilk "SOTN sequel"
A SOTN sequel would be wayyyy toooo successful. Sony and Konami would not know what to do with all that money. They do not want that kind of problem in their hands...
A SOTN sequel would be wayyyy toooo successful. Sony and Konami would not know what to do with all that money. They do not want that kind of problem in their hands...
Wheres the coverage of the battlenet hack? After the million and one articles on here about the sony hack i expected at least one about Blizzards problems...
The Vita's a hard-sell. I see it as a very niche product that only appeals to the most dedicated amongst the PlayStation faithful.
The bottom line is that there's higher quality handheld gaming going on elsewhere, so the Vita's technical specs are shrouded the lack of compelling software.
Really, there's no reason to not just go with the 3DS. Nintendo's covered the gaming spectrum from casual to hardcore. Not to mention that any CoD game that makes it's way to the Vita will be on the 3DS as well.
Really though, is anyone surprised that Sony still has their head in their ass?
The bottom line is that there's higher quality handheld gaming going on elsewhere, so the Vita's technical specs are shrouded the lack of compelling software.
Really, there's no reason to not just go with the 3DS. Nintendo's covered the gaming spectrum from casual to hardcore. Not to mention that any CoD game that makes it's way to the Vita will be on the 3DS as well.
Really though, is anyone surprised that Sony still has their head in their ass?
Maybe that's because you aren't supporting it yourself, Sony, ya dumb dummies.
I love the thing though (played it WAY more than than the 3DS) but there's no denying the slow release schedule. I just can't wait till the thing gets hacked so we can put some emulators on this powerful fucker.
I love the thing though (played it WAY more than than the 3DS) but there's no denying the slow release schedule. I just can't wait till the thing gets hacked so we can put some emulators on this powerful fucker.
yeah, do what @stealth says, launch some rehashes and 3 new games in the holidays and it will all be fine.
seriously, yeah, the vita need some games, but that memory card thing was a shot to their own foot.
seriously, yeah, the vita need some games, but that memory card thing was a shot to their own foot.
"Despite these challenges, Yoshida is still confident in the Vita, claiming that the upcoming Assassin's Creed spin-off could show off the Vita's prowess and rekindle some excitement in the system. "
IMO Part of the main problem of the Vita. It keeps getting spin offs and ports and those are passed as the big titles. The Vita needs it's own series of games, not just "Me too!'s" of console ones.
The 3DS at least has the image of being it's own individual console, in both it's hardware and software. Always wanted a Vita over a 3DS but am absolutely glad I got the 3DS instead (It was more affordable.).
IMO Part of the main problem of the Vita. It keeps getting spin offs and ports and those are passed as the big titles. The Vita needs it's own series of games, not just "Me too!'s" of console ones.
The 3DS at least has the image of being it's own individual console, in both it's hardware and software. Always wanted a Vita over a 3DS but am absolutely glad I got the 3DS instead (It was more affordable.).
@turbokill
Call me crazy but all the shit you said against the vita can be said exactly about the 3ds, ports and spin offs of franchises already on the wii or previous nintendo consoles.
Call me crazy but all the shit you said against the vita can be said exactly about the 3ds, ports and spin offs of franchises already on the wii or previous nintendo consoles.
@Shane Saiyan
"I'm not losing hope yet. The 3DS hit the same snag at the start. The two consoles appear to be mirroring each other in a lot of respects."
Well, then Sony better make that price cut, and fast!
"I'm not losing hope yet. The 3DS hit the same snag at the start. The two consoles appear to be mirroring each other in a lot of respects."
Well, then Sony better make that price cut, and fast!
After 6 months the 3DS could walk on its own. The vita is barely crawling.
I wanted one, but at the current price point its a ripoff.
But then, Sony never did a good job of prOmoting the PSP. The homebrewers did all the work.
I wanted one, but at the current price point its a ripoff.
But then, Sony never did a good job of prOmoting the PSP. The homebrewers did all the work.
But But But.. Ubisoft demanding that all developers needed new systems so it could bring us so many new IP's
WHATS GOING ON HERE!!!
Seriously though, the problem isn't showing the systems prowess.. They know its there.. they just need to make the same ridiculous deals with companies as they do with their console games, as an incentive. Right now theres not a ton of reason for anyone (fans or developers) to really care about the Vita (sadly, cause its a great handheld.
"As always, I certainly hope the Vita does well, because I love it as a machine."
Oh, I bet you do love it as a machine.. You Robo-sexual, you. (theres one inside us all)
@Mike Shadows
Well, the 3DS also had help from the fact that Nintendo was able to rush forward some powerful games themselves. I think if they didn't buckle and do that, those games would have been much more spread out over the next few years.
Sony's got a problem where they want to show they have 3rd party support and don't seem to be doing much on their own end then talking up cross play -- but not really giving us more then a few promises that a handful of games that are still stuck in the pipeline will deliver. Priorities are all kinds of messed up.
@ Pajolero
Thats one of the most hilarious images I've ever seen on this site.
WHATS GOING ON HERE!!!
Seriously though, the problem isn't showing the systems prowess.. They know its there.. they just need to make the same ridiculous deals with companies as they do with their console games, as an incentive. Right now theres not a ton of reason for anyone (fans or developers) to really care about the Vita (sadly, cause its a great handheld.
"As always, I certainly hope the Vita does well, because I love it as a machine."
Oh, I bet you do love it as a machine.. You Robo-sexual, you. (theres one inside us all)
@Mike Shadows
Well, the 3DS also had help from the fact that Nintendo was able to rush forward some powerful games themselves. I think if they didn't buckle and do that, those games would have been much more spread out over the next few years.
Sony's got a problem where they want to show they have 3rd party support and don't seem to be doing much on their own end then talking up cross play -- but not really giving us more then a few promises that a handful of games that are still stuck in the pipeline will deliver. Priorities are all kinds of messed up.
@ Pajolero
Thats one of the most hilarious images I've ever seen on this site.
War ... has changed.
Seriously though, competing against a dominant Nintendo handheld with a device that isn't also a swiss army phone was a mistake wall street caught early on. Apple got it right by accident and almost reluctantly at first. Sony missed a huge opportunity here. Guess who was paying attention:
http://androinica.com/2011/07/android-users-love-games-according-to-nielsen-data-stats/
Seriously though, competing against a dominant Nintendo handheld with a device that isn't also a swiss army phone was a mistake wall street caught early on. Apple got it right by accident and almost reluctantly at first. Sony missed a huge opportunity here. Guess who was paying attention:
http://androinica.com/2011/07/android-users-love-games-according-to-nielsen-data-stats/
@Epic
No, your complete right. It needs a system seller and people will want CoD on the go. Don't know if it'd be a pair that actually sells well together, but it couldn't hurt the Vita any more then its hurting now, right?
No, your complete right. It needs a system seller and people will want CoD on the go. Don't know if it'd be a pair that actually sells well together, but it couldn't hurt the Vita any more then its hurting now, right?
All the more reason to start localizing some of the bitchin PSP games coming out lately for PSN. Sol Trigger and the new Kenka Bancho specifically.
doesn't supprise me it sells poorly, a psvita with the same storage as a psp-go already costs 287 (234 for the console, 43 for the 16gb card) while a 3ds costs 164 euro (152 for the console 10 for the 16gb card) this is kind of a big deal, if you go with a more reasonable size for a system you download the games on lets say the 32gb quite common in modern smartphones the storage price doubles considering there is no 32gb card out here, while on the 3ds it would only be 6 euro's more. Furthermore its a handheld not a console people require different things off handhelds, they need to have games that are well made but also fast to put away, a console/pc game and a handheld game just generally differ if only for the fact that you can't play a handheld for hours.
Until the Vita drops its price, it's not going to get a strong fanbase. I don't care what games you put out there for it. Drop down to $180 - then you'll be giving Nintendo a run for it's money with the 3DS XL selling for $200.
Nintendo started to make profit on the 3DS moreso because they cut the systems price, not directly from game titles (don't get me wrong though, having a strong list of titles definitely helps). If Sony doesn't do the same, then the Vita will ultimately end up living out the same fate as the psp.
Nintendo started to make profit on the 3DS moreso because they cut the systems price, not directly from game titles (don't get me wrong though, having a strong list of titles definitely helps). If Sony doesn't do the same, then the Vita will ultimately end up living out the same fate as the psp.
Gravity rush has been an amazing Experince for me. I mean just a great game that while keeping a great story and the ability to sit down and play it for hours still has the ability to be fun while just playing little parts of it.
Yup, waiting for PS1 support still and not getting any of it. Sony seems to be confused why people simply aren't buying up the system. High price + broken promises = not many people buy it which then causes the development drought. It's pretty asinine that they seem to not understand this and their communication with people is horrible.
Really not surprising given that sony has continuously made the same mistakes since the PSP: Developers dont like proprietary hardware, jamming something full of as much tech as you can forces you to keep a higher price point than your competition, it is a bad idea to fill a gaming device up with non-gaming tools, graphics dont matter on a screen the size of your hand, and if you make a handheld that is the equivalent of a portable console why make a game for it when you would get loads more sales for the same work on a console.
It's really astounding how they can keep making the same mistakes over and over again
It's really astounding how they can keep making the same mistakes over and over again
A dedicated handheld gaming device is a tough sell for someone like me. If it doubled as a cell phone, then I'd probably buy one.
The 3ds was never doing bad: Nintendo over forecast because they thought "We are Nintendo bitches!11!!" which led to less than "expected" sales and resulting bad response from devs and the media.
The Vita has not even been doing as well as the 3ds WAS when it was "failing", and has another problem the 3ds DIDN'T have: The 3ds.
Comparing the 2 situations is ridiculous, because they are completely different.
@sayword
I can't play Sound Shapes, but I personally doubt it is better than Kid Icarus...
The Vita has not even been doing as well as the 3ds WAS when it was "failing", and has another problem the 3ds DIDN'T have: The 3ds.
Comparing the 2 situations is ridiculous, because they are completely different.
@sayword
I can't play Sound Shapes, but I personally doubt it is better than Kid Icarus...
Comments like this gives me hope.
"At first I wasn't interested in the VITA(I am a Nintendo fan), but from the moment I played my friends one and saw the glorious games and fantastic home console quality games, I knew I had to have one. It may not have a stellar lineup at the moment(Uncharted and Wipeout being the only must haves in my opinion), but a lot of massive games are coming this holiday season. From LittleBigPlanet, to Sony Battle Royale, to Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time, and Need for Speed Most Wanted, the VITA is going to be a powerful and diverse system. Plus, this bundle in specific looks amazing. The white VITA looks stunning, and I can't wait to get my hands on this thing. Plus, it comes with Assassin's Creed III : Liberation, which, while not one of my most anticipated games, still looks like a great AAA title. Overall, the VITA had a rough start, but it is gearing up to be a powerful system with a massive library of must have games."
"At first I wasn't interested in the VITA(I am a Nintendo fan), but from the moment I played my friends one and saw the glorious games and fantastic home console quality games, I knew I had to have one. It may not have a stellar lineup at the moment(Uncharted and Wipeout being the only must haves in my opinion), but a lot of massive games are coming this holiday season. From LittleBigPlanet, to Sony Battle Royale, to Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time, and Need for Speed Most Wanted, the VITA is going to be a powerful and diverse system. Plus, this bundle in specific looks amazing. The white VITA looks stunning, and I can't wait to get my hands on this thing. Plus, it comes with Assassin's Creed III : Liberation, which, while not one of my most anticipated games, still looks like a great AAA title. Overall, the VITA had a rough start, but it is gearing up to be a powerful system with a massive library of must have games."
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