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I await with baited breath for dtoid to announce that the Vita will be getting PS2 support. And that the whole fucking catalogue goes on there, rather then wank. Seriously, how can Sony have the greatest library in gaming history and just let it sit there?
It's like, I wanna laugh because they STILL don't have my Psone games available to play nor have the ripoff prices on memory gone down, but at the same time I'm really depressed to see they just can't get their shit together. It's embarrassing to watch a company I really enjoy kinda go down the tubes - and it's mostly their own fault.
Why do I get this huge sense of deja vu with the Vita?
Oh that's right. The same thing happened with the PSP!
Oh that's right. The same thing happened with the PSP!
Just like the 3DS in the beggining, it's just a matter of time untill it get really good games and the sales go up, and with big sales more support to the vita.
Its funny how this time last year there were Sony fans mocking 3DS users for even talking about or looking foward to playing DS games on their 3DS. Now Vita users get giddy at the thought of getting access to PSOne Classics and PSP games they might already own when Sony deigns the those games worthy of appearing on Vita.
So much for those silly arguments against backward compatibility, eh?
So much for those silly arguments against backward compatibility, eh?
Yeah, it'd be nice to use my Vita playing games rather than just watching netflix and youtube vids. Ragnarok Odyssey and Madden within the next few weeks though.
Ouch... At last they're combining Vita versions of certain PSN games. I just got Sound Shapes for both platforms for $12.
The only games that interest me, unfortunately, are Assassin's Creed and Soul Sacrifice.
They could always, you know, enable Remote Play on the PS3, since anyone with a hacked console can steam to any Vita (since the Vita released!).
The only games that interest me, unfortunately, are Assassin's Creed and Soul Sacrifice.
They could always, you know, enable Remote Play on the PS3, since anyone with a hacked console can steam to any Vita (since the Vita released!).
@mike
3ds does not equal vita in the same way the ds did not equal PSP. This "matter of time" you speak of never came around for the PSP for similar reasons the vita is doing poorly. If publishers see a sinking ship, they more often than not bail out of that ship rather than try to keep it buoyant. Which sucks, but you know, bottom lines and all.
3ds does not equal vita in the same way the ds did not equal PSP. This "matter of time" you speak of never came around for the PSP for similar reasons the vita is doing poorly. If publishers see a sinking ship, they more often than not bail out of that ship rather than try to keep it buoyant. Which sucks, but you know, bottom lines and all.
I want the PSVita to succeed but I think Sony needs to start making sacrifices.
I was one of the people that defended the original $250 price but can't anymore. They need to cut it. May piss off early adopters but it's necessary.
Sony needs to cut the price by at least $50 (so it's not as expensive as a new PS3), reduce the price of memory cards by at least half, add PSOne Classic support NOW, and start working on PS2 Classic support, as well as a way to play PSN titles purchased on the PlayStation Store between PS3 and PSVita.
I know that would cost pleeeeeeeenty of money and work but it's better than letting your handheld rot like this.
I was one of the people that defended the original $250 price but can't anymore. They need to cut it. May piss off early adopters but it's necessary.
Sony needs to cut the price by at least $50 (so it's not as expensive as a new PS3), reduce the price of memory cards by at least half, add PSOne Classic support NOW, and start working on PS2 Classic support, as well as a way to play PSN titles purchased on the PlayStation Store between PS3 and PSVita.
I know that would cost pleeeeeeeenty of money and work but it's better than letting your handheld rot like this.
I'm not losing hope yet. The 3DS hit the same snag at the start. The two consoles appear to be mirroring each other in a lot of respects.
It'll hit its stride, sales will pick up, and the third party support will come.
It'll hit its stride, sales will pick up, and the third party support will come.
As I said before, the Vita is a nice System with some very good hardware for a very fair price... But getting ripped off with Memory Cards more than double the price they should be that I also can't use anywhere else, overpriced digital downloads and many good PSP Games missing in digital form (Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep for example), it's just souring the whole thing for me. Without those problems, I would've bought one on release.
The same thing happened with the 3ds, then from kid Icarus on ward the games started pouring in.
What I don't understand is why every third party isn't jumping on it. Think about the early days of the ps3 and 360, good games but not much happening and then boom call of duty 4 happened, and the Gen got going with everyone playing second fiddle to cod.
Now here we are in a similar situation , everyone is interested in the vita but wants that it game, and again here comes Activision, and if they can put a console experience cod on the vita, the third party devs will get their safety net but will once again play second fiddle to cod.
If I'm a third party I want to be that game. Playing it safe works sometimes ( and is very understandable in this economy) but over caution can cause you to miss big opportunity's. I'm not saying be completely reckless and bank everything on one title but if you want to pull cod numbers like they all claim to want then moments like this are as good a chance as you will get to make it happen.
What I don't understand is why every third party isn't jumping on it. Think about the early days of the ps3 and 360, good games but not much happening and then boom call of duty 4 happened, and the Gen got going with everyone playing second fiddle to cod.
Now here we are in a similar situation , everyone is interested in the vita but wants that it game, and again here comes Activision, and if they can put a console experience cod on the vita, the third party devs will get their safety net but will once again play second fiddle to cod.
If I'm a third party I want to be that game. Playing it safe works sometimes ( and is very understandable in this economy) but over caution can cause you to miss big opportunity's. I'm not saying be completely reckless and bank everything on one title but if you want to pull cod numbers like they all claim to want then moments like this are as good a chance as you will get to make it happen.
Sony have seriously bad marketing problems. The PS Vita is a great device , but it got FAILURE written all over it because of lack of ability to play PSP games , and lack of a good choice of good games at decent prices. Current games are just far too expensive, especially in the EU.
I was waiting for this machine eagerly but will stick to the PSP for now for mobile games.
I was waiting for this machine eagerly but will stick to the PSP for now for mobile games.
Hopefully next year we see the games rolling in. Its not so bad though sound shapes will hold me over until ragnarok odyssey and that will hold me over until persona 4 :-)
It needs a system seller. You people are probably going to hate me for saying the obvious, but CoD Vita will sell that thing. People will want to play CoD on the go.
That and Persona 4 Golden.
That and Persona 4 Golden.
Cut the price, throw in a decent sized memory card because I'm not paying for that bullshit, support PS1 and PS2 games, and I'm there. Till then it can die face down in a ditch for all I care.
@tristix
I agree. Sound Shapes is amazing. I've never been interested in making levels in a game before. What's your psn?
I agree. Sound Shapes is amazing. I've never been interested in making levels in a game before. What's your psn?
Just give it time Sony. We've got a nice line up coming up in fall but just give it time. Improve your first party games and any third party developers making games already, have them make some more and hopefully it'll attract some more support. And maybe with Call of Duty coming to the Vita it may boost sales.
Using what happened with the 3DS to predict what will happen with the Vita is a stretch. There's at least a dozen factors that set the two way apart, and the paths to success for either wouldn't perfectly resemble each other.
I said it way back when the Vita first started tanking: Consumers need to be excited about the Vita for publishers to want to hop on board. It's not about Monster Hunter, or all that other shit, it's about consumers having the will and means to buy the thing. If its first 6 months of sales are any indication, Sony has a long way to go with this thing to convince publishers not to go to greened, more 3D, pastures.
It doesn't help that Sony pulled a PS3 move, and released an expensive system chock full of non-gaming shit, and couldn't focus down the marketing. Though, the marketing in general has seemed to wane at this point, another move I'd say is typical of Sony.
I said it way back when the Vita first started tanking: Consumers need to be excited about the Vita for publishers to want to hop on board. It's not about Monster Hunter, or all that other shit, it's about consumers having the will and means to buy the thing. If its first 6 months of sales are any indication, Sony has a long way to go with this thing to convince publishers not to go to greened, more 3D, pastures.
It doesn't help that Sony pulled a PS3 move, and released an expensive system chock full of non-gaming shit, and couldn't focus down the marketing. Though, the marketing in general has seemed to wane at this point, another move I'd say is typical of Sony.
To those that are saying this is how 3DS was:
3DS had full BC day one. guess what hasn't. Not only that, when eShop came online the vast majority of DSiware games remained compatible to the new platform. Guess what hasn't been compatible with much of the PSN catalog that it was said to be compatible with.
Both 3DS and Vita struggled on NEW SOFTWARE. That is true, but that is where the similarities end. 3DS never denied you access to games you already owned.
3DS had full BC day one. guess what hasn't. Not only that, when eShop came online the vast majority of DSiware games remained compatible to the new platform. Guess what hasn't been compatible with much of the PSN catalog that it was said to be compatible with.
Both 3DS and Vita struggled on NEW SOFTWARE. That is true, but that is where the similarities end. 3DS never denied you access to games you already owned.
You own a Vita Jimmy? I thought you just hate any Sony platform because the Sony Defense Force generates a good amount of page views.
They didn't even put it in their presentation at E3, what do they expect when it looks like they've already kind of given up on it?
@rancor09
Deedeethedog
I'm still working on my first level. I'm too much of a goddamned perfectionist. I LOVE the tune I've made but the platforming isn't very fun yet. I'll get it. Eventually.
Deedeethedog
I'm still working on my first level. I'm too much of a goddamned perfectionist. I LOVE the tune I've made but the platforming isn't very fun yet. I'll get it. Eventually.
I really do hope that the vita won't be the next psp. I finally just bought a psp last week, and while I'm not crazy about the UI, it's a great system. I think Sony really needs to get the psone games out on vita sooner rather than later.
I think lack of backward comparability hurt them the most. When the 3DS had its drought you could at least play DS games on it. Who wants to play the same game over and over while waiting for new games to drop.
Also, the install base for Sony handheld products isn't as ubiquitous as the mothers-buy-their-kids-a-new-version-every-18-months Nintendo DS/lite/i/xl/3/3xl
I got nothing to add other than the fact I'm loving my Vita both hardware and software-wise. I don't need 20 games in one go. Right now I have more than enough to play and there are some amazing games coming our way in the near future. The FFX remake, LBP and Assassin's Creed are the ones I'm looking forward to.
If there was ever a company that could be said to be demonstrating a bit of ADD, it'd be Sony. It's like they want to try and appeal to every market, but their focus is too divided.
It's so weird, because they have all the tech within their company, but execution seems to find them falling flat on their faces more often than not.
It's so weird, because they have all the tech within their company, but execution seems to find them falling flat on their faces more often than not.
This really pisses me off.
And not directed toward Sony.
The Vita is easily the most "hardcore" portable gaming system I've played in a good while now. It has the horsepower to really shine if devs would give it a solid chance.
Netherealms's wonderful Mortal Kombat port showed this. Aside from lower res textures, it has EVERYTHING it's big brother PS3 version and then some extra on top of it. And it still looks great.
I have both a 3DS and a Vita, and it actually almost pains me to say this, but I almost entirely regret purchasing the 3DS. The Vita however, while the releases have been slow, I'm really impressed by what the system has offered and shown it can do so far. Quite pleased I bought it.
That said, Sony is completely innocent here either. For one, like has been mentioned there is no excuse why I can't be playing my PS1 classics on this superior handheld yet. I have a pretty big library of them from my PSP time too.
However, all this said, I believe strongly that the Vita will come into it's own with time and show the world what it can really do.
And not directed toward Sony.
The Vita is easily the most "hardcore" portable gaming system I've played in a good while now. It has the horsepower to really shine if devs would give it a solid chance.
Netherealms's wonderful Mortal Kombat port showed this. Aside from lower res textures, it has EVERYTHING it's big brother PS3 version and then some extra on top of it. And it still looks great.
I have both a 3DS and a Vita, and it actually almost pains me to say this, but I almost entirely regret purchasing the 3DS. The Vita however, while the releases have been slow, I'm really impressed by what the system has offered and shown it can do so far. Quite pleased I bought it.
That said, Sony is completely innocent here either. For one, like has been mentioned there is no excuse why I can't be playing my PS1 classics on this superior handheld yet. I have a pretty big library of them from my PSP time too.
However, all this said, I believe strongly that the Vita will come into it's own with time and show the world what it can really do.
I don't care anymore. I have absolutely no plans of buying it.
If Sony wanted to get developers interested in the system, they should have put out a few games I actually wanted to play. I can live without another uncharted.
Don't forget that the PSP had this same issue, there was a pretty limited amount of games avaliable in each category.
Sony, just give up. You clearly don't know how to make your console's life work. And this is coming from a man who hates the 3DS.
If Sony wanted to get developers interested in the system, they should have put out a few games I actually wanted to play. I can live without another uncharted.
Don't forget that the PSP had this same issue, there was a pretty limited amount of games avaliable in each category.
Sony, just give up. You clearly don't know how to make your console's life work. And this is coming from a man who hates the 3DS.
I don't care anymore. I have absolutely no plans of buying it.
If Sony wanted to get developers interested in the system, they should have put out a few games I actually wanted to play. I can live without another uncharted.
Don't forget that the PSP had this same issue, there was a pretty limited amount of games avaliable in each category.
Sony, just give up. You clearly don't know how to make your console's life work. And this is coming from a man who hates the 3DS.
If Sony wanted to get developers interested in the system, they should have put out a few games I actually wanted to play. I can live without another uncharted.
Don't forget that the PSP had this same issue, there was a pretty limited amount of games avaliable in each category.
Sony, just give up. You clearly don't know how to make your console's life work. And this is coming from a man who hates the 3DS.
I really want a Vita. It looks like it could be a great portable gaming system, but there are literally no games out that I can see warranting the $250 + memory card asking price. I'll just wait for more games and a redesign, and keep playing my 3DS. At least that finally has a semi steady flow of original games for the system.
I have no idea what takes them so long to bring out PS1 support, I can play PS1 games via Remote Play (and the L/R 2/3 issue is resolved in a pretty smart way). It looks like crap, but it works. So... what's the hold up? Even if it doesn't affect the third parties directly, seeing people actually play games on Vita (even if it's PS1 games we're talking about) is a sign that people, like Jim said, want to have an excuse to use the device. I don't get it. If Vita was homebrew-friendly, I bet we'd have a working PS1 emulator in a matter of weeks.
Gosh darn it, Sony, you can be a pain to support sometimes.
Gosh darn it, Sony, you can be a pain to support sometimes.
Its frustrating to watch such a great device fail miserably at retail
They really need to get a Final Fantasy, GTA, CoD, and Dragon Quest on this to convince the masses that they're in it to win it.
Throw in some PS3 functionality (as an alternate controller) and a TV remote mode (like the Wii U) and Vita becomes the best handheld ever.
They really need to get a Final Fantasy, GTA, CoD, and Dragon Quest on this to convince the masses that they're in it to win it.
Throw in some PS3 functionality (as an alternate controller) and a TV remote mode (like the Wii U) and Vita becomes the best handheld ever.
What were they expecting?
High-Res Display --> requires High-Res Assets --> increases costs --> bad third party support.
High-Res Display --> requires High-Res Assets --> increases costs --> bad third party support.
@RoOhDiNi
I was wondering the same thing. It'd be nice to hear from third party publishers on the subject, see if increased costs have anything to do with it.
@Tris
Monster Hunter.
I was wondering the same thing. It'd be nice to hear from third party publishers on the subject, see if increased costs have anything to do with it.
@Tris
Monster Hunter.
My question is, why didn't Sony let garage devs do their thing with homebrew applications? Like this vita would be super boss if we could emulate shit on it!
I don't understand how Sony wants other companies to support the Vita. Sony is not even doing a good job supporting the Vita. There could have been a way to port over PSP games. But, there isn't and Sony doesn't even have the option of paying a second time for them. Then the whole remote play thing is full of fail. How many games even have that option? The Vita is a damn fine machine. The management of it is just horrible.
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