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SCEE president Andrew House has confirmed the thing we all knew by now, that physical media will still be an important part of the games industry for at least a few more years. House has also added that digital distribution has a set of issues that need to be overcome before it becomes the norm.

"The reason retail has been around for thousands of years is because it works really well at showing you a range of content," he says, "having experienced store staff that can find the game you are looking for, tailor choices to your needs and up-sell you something you hadn't thought of.

"Digital, for me, still has a challenge in that it doesn't have the equivalent of that. Browsing is a little overwhelming and too confusing, and that's the challenge that makes me think there's a strong role for physical media for years to come."

Here's the thing, though -- digital content's biggest challenges are the publishers themselves, and especially publishers who think like Sony. The PSPgo was total junk because the PSN wasn't support properly and Sony insisted on overcharging for its games. Sony's own ignorance was its largest stumbling block, not the nature of digital distribution.

I do agree that digital content can get lost in the shuffle, but is that not also true for retail games? I think the biggest challenge Sony faces is the office full of chimps that keeps making stupid decisions more than the "confusing" browsing options. 

Sony: Digital retail is confusing [MCV]








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WesternGamer1000's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:21
WesternGamer1000
Oh Jim, your header images are always on the money. Never stop.
NukaCola's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:23
NukaCola
Agreed. I still understand how after four years both Virtual Console and PSone Classics are missing so many damn games. And if Sony wants a solution they should like at Steam's holiday sales.
NukaCola's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:23
NukaCola
Eck, I meant "I still don't understand."
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:27
B-Radicate
Best header image EVER.
KwikPwn's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:28
KwikPwn
Maybe they should have some pimple faced teens with headsets on standby to tell me what I should purchase.

...it works for Gamestop.
Fugly Duckling's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:30
Fugly Duckling
"Experienced Store Staff"? Where the hell does he shop?

And would he like to preorder Madden?
funran's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:33
funran
Steam has single handedly stopped me from pirating (most) PC games. It's now easier to pay for them and add them to my catalog then bother with torrents and cracks.

So yeah.
Vidar's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:34
Vidar
"having experienced store staff that can find the game you are looking for, tailor choices to your needs and up-sell you something you hadn't thought of."

I hadn't thought of the "latest and greatest" game that they keep asking me to preorder? Telling me I really should sign up for their rewards car program, because you know it'll make me super cool.

I'm never confused whilst browsing Steam. Though some gems can trip and fall through some cracks.
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:36
DeusPayne
Helpful staff? Does sony really really believe that a bunch of minimum wage monkeys have the knowledge and training to actually be helpful? Clearly I need to find out where they're shopping, because every place I've ever gone has been less than helpful.

And I'm sorry to hear you wouldn't like to pre-order madden. How would you like to join our rewards program? You earn DOUBLE points on all purchases! </sarcasm>
Marasune's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:37
Marasune
is this avatar cosplay we are looking at here, jim?
Scuffles's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:39
Scuffles
Someone call that man a palaeontologist, he needs a good fossil cleaning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI
TripleShot's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:40
TripleShot
Most of the time PSN doesn't even offer a demo, or screenshots, or a video for that $15 game that they want you to buy. Yes, I believe that DLG is confusing to Sony... XBLA does a much better job for browsing, and so does Steam. Look to their stuff Sony, and improve on that.
Marasune's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:41
Marasune
If PSN didnt make it seem like a game of money hippos, where everytime you go in you get fucking screwed, ide be all for digital, but tight arse's like disney wave a little red flag even after the fact that their disney games were released for psone classics only to be taken down again. not that anyone would be interested in that garbage anyways, just sayin'
jawshoeuh's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:46
jawshoeuh
I've always wondered why there are no screen shots on PSN. When I shop PSN I usually have to keep my netbook by my side with Gamespot open so I can find screens/video/content. Pretty weak.

Box art and a brief description is not enough for me to base a purchase on.
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:48
RenegadePanda
Wow, a bunch of ignorant shits judging all video game store employees by one personal experience? Shut the hell up. Believe it or not, plenty of people like myself work at stores and know plenty, if not a hell of a lot more, about games than most people. God forbid we pitch preorders or cards that wind up saving you money in two purchases anyway, how exactly is that a bad deal for anyone? And free stuff? Fine, we'll keep it and I'll take it home instead.

If someone brings a shitty game up, I'll tell them. I'll give them advice on good games for their target group and tell them anything they want to know about a system, good or bad. I won't pitch a PO that isn't in line with what they're buying (ffs, if you're buying Madden 10 then why wouldn't I ask you about 11?).

I keep thinking the internet might have a speck of maturity, but I keep being proven wrong.
Firestorm2117's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:55
Firestorm2117
Totally agree with funran. I love Steam and have even stopped pirating PC games because of it.

It's not complicated, Sony: Make the process easy and efficient, and people will buy your stuff.
Enzi's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:56
Enzi
"Browsing is a little overwhelming and too confusing."

And this isn't the case with retailers?? With digital content you can browse through different genres and so on which gives a much better overall view of the available games. You have ratings, videos, screenshots.

And I never EVER had a staff member who said something like: "Oh you like that game, maybe you like this game too. It's even 10 bucks cheaper than usual."

Retailers, at least in austria are not really good. Yeah, they have the newest AAA games on the release date but if you want some classics or a game thats only a few months old you really have trouble getting it. The last game I had trouble with was Heavenly sword. I visited 5 different retailers till I found a fucking platinum edition of the game. Often you find the original game with the old price tag.

Retailers really need to do something, otherwise they will be crushed in a few years. The PC sector is already pretty strong with Steam. Just imagine Microsoft or Sony would push this more in the console sector. But I don't think this will ever happen. Sony completely fails when it comes to digital distribution. They started to bring some AAA games to PSN but then stopped. (GT Prologue and Burnout for example.) Why? I don't know. Maybe they don't want you to download 10+ gig for every game or they still think that no one changes the HDD. And then they failed with the PSPGo even though they had a good concept but the execution was so poorly that digital content didn't replace retails. Which is quite a bummer cause it's not that easy to find a good retailer with a big library of PSP games.
pokota's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 11:59
pokota
PSN needs to make vast improvements to its store, without doubt. Having to go research a game on the internet first shouldn't be necessary. You really have no idea what you are about to buy, which kills impulse shopping dead. It can't be as fancy as Steam, but it can be improved a lot.
CBunn's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:00
CBunn
So, if the general public wasn't composed of dumbfucks, we would be 50 years ahead. Thank you, Sony, for catering to the lowest denominator
SayWord's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:02
SayWord
@renegadepanda there's always exceptions to what people say, my only problem is most gamestop employees are biased assholes. I watched as some dude told a customer that gow3 would be on 360 just to make the customer buy the 360 instead of ps3 and of course I stepped in to correct his ignorance. I don't mind having to boot up my computer to look at screens or videos of psn games but I wish sony would update to allow us to see screens and videos through psn store.
BalloonFighter's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:07
BalloonFighter
Why not just do both and give the consumer a choice of digital or physical media? That seems like the best bet to me. When you give consumers options they usually use those options and appreciate it. You will piss too many people off if you go strictly digital because people like to collect games and build their libraries plus retailers wouldn't like that. And why should they sell your console if they can't sell your games? It's not that complicated.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:10
Mr Andy Dixon
"Browsing is a little overwhelming and too confusing"

That's nobody's fault but your own, Sony. Maybe including a few screenshots, a solid rating system, and a better description of your PSN games would help?

For example, I've never played Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain, and honestly know nothing about it. However, I recognized the name when I saw it on the PSN store a while back, and I was interested in finding out more. Here's what the description says:

"Kain is out for vengeance, and nothing but blood will shake his thirst!
Download this PSone classic game today!"

Wow. Way to fucking sell it, Sony. No screenshots, no description of the gameplay, nothing. Take a guess as to whether or not I bought it?

Granted, I could easily Google the game and find out everything I want, but why should I have to? Adding a few pics and a general idea of the content would go a long way to making things more pleasant... and making Sony more money.
Kal Zakath's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:11
Kal Zakath
If you are connecting digitally Sony/M$/Mario they have access to info on every game you play on that console and how much of each game. That info is way more valuable than what some 17 yr old who spends his paycheck on weed would be able to gather from you during a 2 minute (if that) conversation. It can't be that difficult to pull the info from the games you play and push demos and games you might like to the front. PSN just needs to tailor its system to the user, M$ needs to stop reccomending shit I will NEVER play and should never have suggested and Nintendo needs a new console and to purchase a company that actually uses "Al Gore's internet"
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:13
Mr Andy Dixon
Also, what TripleShot and jawshoeuh said :)
~JnRx Teh Jokester~'s Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:17
~JnRx Teh Jokester~
I Think game companies should communicate with gamers more often instead of assuming they may know what the consumer will want or what the consumers think really cause it seems like alot of people on D-toid and in the forums and other gaming sites seem to know what they are talking about... :-/ So maybe actually listening to the consumer asking them what they want and testing out their idea's would be great I mean...Valve does it...With the whole trading thing and the hats and user generated content and everyone is happy So I don't see why those big companies can't do it...Hell even Nintendo Kinda listens.
KwikPwn's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:23
KwikPwn
@mrandydixon

Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain, think old-school Zelda with vampires and Oddworld caliber CGI cutscenes.

I haven't played it since the PSX days, so I say if it's held up well, but at the time I really enjoyed it.
KwikPwn's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:24
KwikPwn
*so I can't say if it's held up well
Klarden's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:32
Klarden
It's so confusing, it's bigger than retail on PC.
I wonder why. I also wonder, why i'd easily buy games on Steam or GoG, but have doubts about buying on PSN or XBL/GFWL
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:38
Mr Andy Dixon
@KwikPwn

Thanks! I've actually researched it a bit since "the incident", but haven't bothered going back to purchase it. I'm a bit of an impulse shopper like that :)
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:49
DeusPayne
@klarden: because GoG is DRM free, and Valve has proven itself to be committed to the consumer. Sony and Microsoft on the other hand have shown time and time again, that all they care about is bottom line, even if it ends up screwing the customer. (hell, they've already shown that a game you purchase off xbla isn't guarenteed to be there for even a short period of time. haven't there been multiple games pulled from the marketplace, thereby preventing someone who purchased it from downloading it later?)
KwikPwn's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:49
KwikPwn
@mrandydixon

Fair enough. Sony really should have more info and demo's for all games sold through their service available to consumers at the point of purchase.

Anything less leaves the customer skeptical.
Dreamscape's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:53
Dreamscape
It's funny, but i've been saying this shit for years.

Sony makes mistakes then tries to turn around and say "Man I don't know why that didn't work, let's try it again" they are like a bad roommate, they never want to admit they fucked something up.

It's pretty much the reason why I pass on most sony stuff. Waiting for the PS3 to drop in price again or get a great deal. There's alot of cool games on PS3 but not alot of it seems to get enough interest from me to make me shell out the cash.

It sucks because I used to be a big Sony fan, now all you hear from them is "Riiiiidge Raaacerrrr" and "We don't understand digital distrobution"
How can I give my money to a company that so obiviously has no idea what the fuck they are doing half the time?
Vallanthaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 12:59
Vallanthaz
As if giving your money to Microsoft is any better.

That's why I pass on most Microsoft stuff. There's a few cool games on the 360, but nothing else that can get enough interest from me to make me shell out the cash. Especially when better and more diverse gaming experiences can be had on the PS3 and Wii. :)
Noir Trilby's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 13:28
Noir Trilby
They need to bring down the prices of digital games - simple as that. I'm sick and tired of seeing a digital game as expensive or more expensive than the an actual physical copy of the game.
AceFlibble's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 13:31
AceFlibble
I dunno what Sony's smoking. Staff isn't the reason why buying in stores is better than digital distribution - I do my best to get staff to fuck off and leave me alone. The reason digital distribution is primarily because they insist on pricing a download as if it was a physical copy. It's not just Sony, it's everywhere other than when Steam has a sale. £14.99 for a digital download of Mirror's Edge, Microsoft? Hahahaha, fuck off, I can get that for £5.99 in GAME, I can lend that to friends, I can take it with me wherever (I don't know why I'd ever need to do that, but it's nice to have the ability), I don't have my game tied to an account and I can trade it back in for a couple of quid when I'm done with it.

Digital distribution is not going to take off the way publishers want it to until they price it to offset its many disadvantages. If a physical copy of a game is £40, the download should be £20. That's £40 minus the £15 I would have gotten for trading it back in, minus £5 for the inconvenience of not having a hard copy. If a game costs £20 new in shops, the download should be pretty much £5-£8. If I can pick up a copy of the game preowned for a fiver in GAME's bargain bin, the download should be £2 at most.
hermes's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 13:41
hermes
Want to see how a good digital distribution channel works? Look no further than Steam.
Compared to it, PSN is 10 years obsolete.
Shin Scythe's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 13:49
Shin Scythe
Sony's CEO is fucking retarded, they should change him for a japanese one srsly..
braulio09's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 14:08
braulio09
I think it's definitely a problem. Think worldwide. I live in Mexico and Digital Distribution systems have only been around a couple years. Everything is confusing, you need to browse through so much shit because they don't take off old games. In the long run, browsing is simply not as effective in digital distribution as it is in retail. Besides, when you go to buy online, you have your mind set for a particular game, while on retail, you can end up coming out with more than you wanted in the beginning.
Disemvowel's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 14:36
Disemvowel
Can I ask something? What the fuck happened to Sony? When this gen began, they talked all sorts of stupid, not-grounded-in-reality shit for a couple of years. They lost their asses to Wii and X360. Then, they lightened up, changed course and became one of my favorite houses again. And lately, they have been losing their fucking minds, again. What happened? Seriously. I waited until they calmed the fuck down before I bought my PS3 (no way I was going to support their batshit craziness) and now, I am not looking at their titles until they slow that cuckoo-train down.
Naxel's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 14:40
Naxel
Sony's a japanese company right? Are they secluded to the point they won't adapt their buisness model to the rest of the world just by looking at them? Since when manufacturing twat ideas was Sony's main production line?

It's simple

In stores,
If you're looking for a game to discover instead of already knowing what you want, then the store's employees are there to sort the game for you and help you choose. You can mostly come in and not know exactly what you want, but you'll likely end with something you'll enjoy.

Online,
The digital distribution makes the consumer take all the choices in sorting the game's style, maker, sucess etc. Digital distribution includes that you have to replace the services of the GameStore by other means. They want equivalent and their confusion is probably that they have no idea on how to make those equivalent.

Someone wrote demos readily available, and it's a bloody good start. Also Steam for example has started a service that suggest you games according to your purchases and what game you play. Which is also a good idea i think. How it doesn't get in Sony's thick head is beyond me.

Keep in mind that the paradigm shift from gamestore to digital distribution is simply a different method that some old fashioned buisnessman probably have a lot of difficulty to get around their head and how to change their job accordingly.
Naxel's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 14:40
Naxel
Sony's a japanese company right? Are they secluded to the point they won't adapt their buisness model to the rest of the world just by looking at them? Since when manufacturing twat ideas was Sony's main production line?

It's simple

In stores,
If you're looking for a game to discover instead of already knowing what you want, then the store's employees are there to sort the game for you and help you choose. You can mostly come in and not know exactly what you want, but you'll likely end with something you'll enjoy.

Online,
The digital distribution makes the consumer take all the choices in sorting the game's style, maker, sucess etc. Digital distribution includes that you have to replace the services of the GameStore by other means. They want equivalent and their confusion is probably that they have no idea on how to make those equivalent.

Someone wrote demos readily available, and it's a bloody good start. Also Steam for example has started a service that suggest you games according to your purchases and what game you play. Which is also a good idea i think. How it doesn't get in Sony's thick head is beyond me.

Keep in mind that the paradigm shift from gamestore to digital distribution is simply a different method that some old fashioned buisnessman probably have a lot of difficulty to get around their head and how to change their job accordingly.
Hell Hammer's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 15:22
Hell Hammer
If Sony wants digital distribution to work out, they just need to get off their asses and release the overwhelming library of games they're sittin on. Same goes for Nintendo.

As far as the future of DD though, I can't say I'm too excited to pay $59.99 for a game I can't loan or sell and then sit around waiting for a Bluray worth of data to download...
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 15:34
Mr Andy Dixon
@Vallanthaz

"As if giving your money to Microsoft is any better."

Psst! Your fanboy is showing.
acsguitar's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 15:37
acsguitar
Quick find me a best buy employee so I can decide what game I want next! Is super mario kong still available for the nintendo psp?
Klarden's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 15:59
Klarden
@braulio09
Eastern European market, "piracy paradise", where internet became a norm only in 2003 or so, where not a lot of people have credit cards and prefer to use normal shops and stores and not the internet ones is one of the most important markets on Steam, if you believe Valve. I think it's "thinking worldwide".
Problem is - not a lot of Digital Distribution Services know how to operate, nor publishers understand that. Steam is the closest one to the right way, and it's far from being perfect. Nor PSN, nor XBL, nor WiiWare do it right. There are too many "well, you kinda buy, but in the long run you're like renting it" stuff and other restrictions.
Digital distribution is great, easy and not confusing. Publishers and services make it look clunky and confusing.
Spaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/14/2010 22:49
Spaz
Even though I work in the electronics department in wal-mart, i don't think he's referring to me :P.

How is it confusing? go online look at games. Get showed videos for said games through steam. Since your on the internet anyway just look up the game. Despit what Sony says employes don't know everything about every single game out there. I don't play shovelware so yeah when someone asks me at work what the game is about, I generally have to look at the back.

I've had a few customers get mad at me though so my opinion that MW2 sucked though :).
LifeCarrier's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2010 03:22
LifeCarrier
100% with you on this one Jim, I don't know what they're thinking with their pricing policies, take these full games they're offering on PSN for example, they're charging more than what you'd spend on a used sometimes even a new copy of an old game, they should realize that part of having success with online distribution is offering good deals that justify the absence of physical media and charging amounts of money people don't mind parting with.
onomatapedalo's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2010 04:18
onomatapedalo
Dear Sony: It might be because, in comparison to the Xbox Game Marketplace, the PlayStation Store is an absolute turd.

Demos for all games? Nope.
Getting a list of all games? Nope.
Easy to browse? Nope.
Annoying sound effects? Well, it does have that.

Even the Wii Shop Channel is nicer to use than this. Seriously, Sony, you promote the idea of art in all things - then why are your interfaces so clunky?
krozall's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2010 07:49
krozall
It's simple a game titled Move Extreme Super Fun Time isn't going to sell online, and people will need to be in the store and have the store clerk sell you this piece of shit that you think you kid wants, and in a sense he's right.
BUT, I bet if God of War 4 was a day one downloadable full release game it would sell like gangbusters.

The problem I think from big publishers POV is they can't sell you the games that don't sell themselves, and that's scary.
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