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Sony loves to throw parties, only to split when the music starts playing. Then when they show back up to the party only to find most of the partygoers have left, they either act surprised, or pretend they never cared about their own party to begin with.
This is what you get when there's no one around to say "no" to a group of hardware designers hellbent on making the most awesome machine at all costs. They just build their awesome machine and hand it off to the next guy to let them worry about how they're gonna sell the damn thing.
Maybe someone should have taken into account the fact that maybe publishers would be a bit cautious when it comes to supporting an expensive machine in a market that is quickly moving in the opposite direction, especially when those publishers already have problems of their own.
This is what you get when there's no one around to say "no" to a group of hardware designers hellbent on making the most awesome machine at all costs. They just build their awesome machine and hand it off to the next guy to let them worry about how they're gonna sell the damn thing.
Maybe someone should have taken into account the fact that maybe publishers would be a bit cautious when it comes to supporting an expensive machine in a market that is quickly moving in the opposite direction, especially when those publishers already have problems of their own.
It's plain and simple. There is too much hardware and games coming out at the same time. Consumers have to decide what games/hardware they can fit into their budget and right now the Vita is not a top priority. Give it a few years and i'd like to see what the Vita can put out from there. In the mean time IPs need to be taking their sweet time making quality Vita titles to get us amped for the system.
As someone who usually buys all consoles I still don't personally have a single reason to purchase one of these, especially while they're so massively overpriced.
@wqerty
Exactly my thoughts. How can you complain about lack of support when you're not even willing to forth effort? The day PS1 games were finally made compatible was an event because it showed that Sony does (kinda) care about their own product.
Exactly my thoughts. How can you complain about lack of support when you're not even willing to forth effort? The day PS1 games were finally made compatible was an event because it showed that Sony does (kinda) care about their own product.
The Vita is awesome and devs are idiots for not making exclusive games for it. The screen alone is the best handheld gaming screen out there, by miles.
More games like Motorstorm RC, please. But on the topic of support; I hope dearly that PS Mobile will take off, filling in content gaps from 'proper' publishers. The games will come, soon.
@Alan Argentina
This is 100% correct.
Also the Vita's sales are low enough even the biggest hit they could have would probably end up costing the publisher a lot of cash.
This is 100% correct.
Also the Vita's sales are low enough even the biggest hit they could have would probably end up costing the publisher a lot of cash.
Sony is amazing at being oblivious. Of course the super expensive handheld is going to have a low install base, which will scare away 3rd parties. It's basic logic. Sony should have been pushing for 3rd parties to get on the Vita since day 1 by helping reduce dev risk. Give dev kits out for free. Maybe even fund/publish those 3rd party games themselves.
That they thought they could throw the Vita out there and sit on their asses while devs clamor to support it speaks wonders to how blind they are. Did they learn nothing from the PS3's launch?
Such a shame, since the Vita is an incredible piece of hardware. I just wish Sony knew what they were doing so we could get some more software on it.
That they thought they could throw the Vita out there and sit on their asses while devs clamor to support it speaks wonders to how blind they are. Did they learn nothing from the PS3's launch?
Such a shame, since the Vita is an incredible piece of hardware. I just wish Sony knew what they were doing so we could get some more software on it.
This could have ben sorted out with ONE exclusive !
If Sony had secured an exclusivity deal with Capcom for their Monster Hunter, would have given them bags of money and probably even helped them with development/paid for servers the Ps Vita would have gained steam from the get go.
Instead, they were arrogant like always, didnīt do SHIT to help Capcom release Monster Hunter Portable 3rd HD in the West (Ad-hoc multiplayer update), let alone helped them by providing servers for online play etc.
This is were Nintendo comes in.
Nintendo provides the Servers in America AND Europe for Tri, probably even published it in Europe (like many other Capcom titles)including translating them into your various european languages etc. .
Monster Hunter was the PSPīs killer app and Sony let it slip through their fingers...now Nintendo has it too, it is as easy as this !
If Sony had secured an exclusivity deal with Capcom for their Monster Hunter, would have given them bags of money and probably even helped them with development/paid for servers the Ps Vita would have gained steam from the get go.
Instead, they were arrogant like always, didnīt do SHIT to help Capcom release Monster Hunter Portable 3rd HD in the West (Ad-hoc multiplayer update), let alone helped them by providing servers for online play etc.
This is were Nintendo comes in.
Nintendo provides the Servers in America AND Europe for Tri, probably even published it in Europe (like many other Capcom titles)including translating them into your various european languages etc. .
Monster Hunter was the PSPīs killer app and Sony let it slip through their fingers...now Nintendo has it too, it is as easy as this !
It's been said in other articles, but Sony's biggest issue is it has too many departments seeming at conflict with each other for no reason at all. Sony's media side killing hardware functionality by forcing anti-piracy practices too much. SEA not giving the Playstation brand name to their phones. Sony's pulling themselves in countless directions, and some are directly counterproductive to others.
Sony either needs to shed some departments away and concentrate on what they want to excel at (sort of like what HP did), or find some magical way for all their subsidiaries to get along and help each other. Because right now the Playstation brand is suffering for no other reason than the rest of Sony SUCKS.
Sony either needs to shed some departments away and concentrate on what they want to excel at (sort of like what HP did), or find some magical way for all their subsidiaries to get along and help each other. Because right now the Playstation brand is suffering for no other reason than the rest of Sony SUCKS.
@Orniletter
Nintendo didn't provide servers for tri( if memory serves) But they did publish and market it heavily in the west, and will be providing the servers for TriU(I assume this is what you meant, actually)
And your point stands: you do NOT need to "buy" exclusives to get exclusive games for your system; you just need to make strong partnerships. Something that Sony AND Microsoft seem to be oblivious to.
Nintendo didn't provide servers for tri( if memory serves) But they did publish and market it heavily in the west, and will be providing the servers for TriU(I assume this is what you meant, actually)
And your point stands: you do NOT need to "buy" exclusives to get exclusive games for your system; you just need to make strong partnerships. Something that Sony AND Microsoft seem to be oblivious to.
Why are people saying SCEWWS is not supporting VITA?
Given how busy some of the major studios are with current and PS4 projects, there still is full throtle support from World Wide.
It's both the fact retail sales are slow and that third parties aren't making projects for it RIGHT NOW that is giving the VITA a rough time.
Given how busy some of the major studios are with current and PS4 projects, there still is full throtle support from World Wide.
It's both the fact retail sales are slow and that third parties aren't making projects for it RIGHT NOW that is giving the VITA a rough time.
I wonder what Sony will charge for the PS4? Kinda of off topic but it really makes me wonder. I had a Vita but didn't like it but it was a handheld so that probably explains it. Oh well. Too bad for Sony.
You know who's disappointed with the lack of support for the PS Vita? People that BOUGHT IT and have no games to play.
Now they know what it was like when EA didn't support the Dreamcast and opted to support the PS2 instead.
What is it with big companies, and not being able to learn from mistakes? They made the exact same mistakes with the PSP, with the added bonus of Vita being prohibitively expensive. And they made very similar mistakes with the PS3 in between. Then its always everyone else's fault for not being able to see their super awesome vision.
Well Sony, maybe after a decade of overly expensive hardware with ADD level focus, and you telling everyone they're all too stupid to support you correctly, people are getting fed up. Who woulda guessed?
Well Sony, maybe after a decade of overly expensive hardware with ADD level focus, and you telling everyone they're all too stupid to support you correctly, people are getting fed up. Who woulda guessed?
The Vita is a mistake in terms of direction in the era of multipurpose hand held devices, it's just never going to sell in the numbers Sony want it to.
Drop the price by a lot and I'd at least consider it, as it is. Noooo wayyyy.
Drop the price by a lot and I'd at least consider it, as it is. Noooo wayyyy.
I cant put all the blame on sony for this because regardless of what you fucks think sony really is the ONLY one supporting this shiet.
But i can blame sony for for being so unclear to developers. I could be wrong i dont know but could the problem be that everyone including developers think that all vita games have to have huge budgets and AAA games?
But i can blame sony for for being so unclear to developers. I could be wrong i dont know but could the problem be that everyone including developers think that all vita games have to have huge budgets and AAA games?
@Ronin: I think you are right with Triīs servers, I couldnīt find anything about Nintendo providing them, I just assumed because the Ultimate edition will use Nintendoīs servers, the same happened to its predecessor too.
You are spot on with your point about buying exclusives:
Nintendo doesnīt really buy them, instead they (usually) help through distributing/translating the games for the Western market (Ace Attourney in Australia, Layton in EU and US, Kingdom Hearts 3D and Rhythm Thief in EU, Resident Evil: Revelations in EU, the list goes on and on)
Sony on the other hand just laments about the lack of interest...
You are spot on with your point about buying exclusives:
Nintendo doesnīt really buy them, instead they (usually) help through distributing/translating the games for the Western market (Ace Attourney in Australia, Layton in EU and US, Kingdom Hearts 3D and Rhythm Thief in EU, Resident Evil: Revelations in EU, the list goes on and on)
Sony on the other hand just laments about the lack of interest...
It didn't sell well, they didn't promote it well, and it desperately needs a price cut. What do they expect?
Get a 3DS! There are many awesome games out right now. New games are on the way that are very much anticipated. The 3DS EShop has lots of original titles, Gameboy titles and DSI Ware titles to choose from. Plus, you can watch Netflix on it. The 3DS is definitely in control of the handheld market right now. Sony wants way too much money for a system with little game support right now. Sony needs to go back to the model they used that made the PSP so successful. That was an awesome handheld.
"This is what you get when there's no one around to say "no" to a group of hardware designers hellbent on making the most awesome machine at all costs. They just build their awesome machine and hand it off to the next guy to let them worry about how they're gonna sell the damn thing"
This is exactly why i love post-PS2 era Sony. They've been foolishly catering to people like me who are willing to pay a little more for quality, when im clearly in the minority.
This is exactly why i love post-PS2 era Sony. They've been foolishly catering to people like me who are willing to pay a little more for quality, when im clearly in the minority.
damn Vita is suffering a lot :(
some PSP game compatible issue, no digital version of our physical UMD(BIG MISTAKE), no Video Output, shorter battery, overpriced memory cards, clunky interface, account block despite being region free, and add to minor support and wow.
sony needs to step up!
some PSP game compatible issue, no digital version of our physical UMD(BIG MISTAKE), no Video Output, shorter battery, overpriced memory cards, clunky interface, account block despite being region free, and add to minor support and wow.
sony needs to step up!
@Samhain
They're not catering to anyone regarding quality, they're catering to their own egos. You're not paying a little more for quality, you're paying a lot more so that a bunch of designers without oversight can collectively masturbate over how great they are. They don't care about feasibility, practicality, or any of those details because it's not their problem, and it's been dragging Sony down for years.
They're not catering to anyone regarding quality, they're catering to their own egos. You're not paying a little more for quality, you're paying a lot more so that a bunch of designers without oversight can collectively masturbate over how great they are. They don't care about feasibility, practicality, or any of those details because it's not their problem, and it's been dragging Sony down for years.
Well I mean, who would want to support a "portable console" after the train wreck that was the PSP. Whoīs to say that the PS Vita isnīt going to follow the same path as the PSP.
I love my Vita and while there are a FEW great games out for it now, the library is definitely lacking. I am SUPER excited for a FEW more games coming in the near future, but overall I share his concerns that it just isn't getting the third party support it needs to compete in the handheld market. I'm fairly surprised though really since it is such a powerful piece of quality hardware. I am hoping it is only a matter of time before Sony is able to give developers enough incentive to create beautiful and exciting titles for it. The library is what makes the DS so amazing. I have more games for that than any other system I own and considering that software is where the money is, that is a telling fact indeed.
The Vita should have had a modified version of the XMB from the PSP, this would of fixed the problem of PS1 titles not being supported at launch, had it use the memory sticks that people already used for the PSP (making new propietary sticks did nothing to prevent hacking the Vita, and only screws over legitimate customers because they have to buy new overpriced propietary memory storage) actually advertise the damn thing and provide good bundles that you don't remove things from at a later date with no announcement about it whatsoever, like the Assassin's Creed III Liberation PS Vita bundle and the Black Ops Vita bundle, they removed the memory cards from those, yet both those titles will probably end up requiring a memory card to play those games.
The fact that Sony is surprised and disappointed their latest flop hasn't caught on doesn't bode well for their financial future. You'd think they would have learned from the mistakes they made with the PSP but here we go again, Sony drops a turd and is offended when people have the audacity to say it stinks.
@Thenopeman
Im guessing you dont live in the uk then. Recently my tvbox has been awash with vita adverts, mainly advertising fifa and litle big planet but still, nice to know they are trying. Shame its failing.
Im guessing you dont live in the uk then. Recently my tvbox has been awash with vita adverts, mainly advertising fifa and litle big planet but still, nice to know they are trying. Shame its failing.
Ive had a Vita since March, its a great console. But i've also bought a 3DS since then, & the Vita hasn't been touched since. 3DS just has the games I enjoy more. Power doesn't mean squat!
Some say the PSP was a flop. I find it hard to believe they ever actually played it. Currently I'm playing 4 different games on my PSP. It has a huge amount of games on offer and it's affordable. The West has abandoned the PSP in terms of new games, but it seems like the Japanese throw out a new game every day!
"my PS Vita might be my favorite handheld"
Why do you keep saying this? It makes it sound like you value tech over games, you should know.
Why do you keep saying this? It makes it sound like you value tech over games, you should know.
I think Sony should be actively pursuing RPGs. As an RPG player, I have purchased systems based on one or two really great AAA RPG titles. I think Sony needs to do something radical, like convince SEGA to make Phantasy Star V, or Sony itself should make a sequel to Legend of Dragoon...something fans have been clamoring for, something radical.
People are sick of the same old crap being offered when a new system launches. Companies need something to make people say 'woah, they actually made that?' or 'I never thought they'd make a sequel to that!'
People are sick of the same old crap being offered when a new system launches. Companies need something to make people say 'woah, they actually made that?' or 'I never thought they'd make a sequel to that!'
On one hand, I want Vita to succeed cause of how much I loved PSP and PS3. Of the big 3, Sony deserves success most of all. They've done more for us than Nintendo or MS. Look at how open PS3 was before hackers forced Sony's hand. We could use our own OS for pete's sakes. We can still use non-proprietary harddrives, USB/BT headsets/kb/mice/controllers, it was the first system to use HDMI (where MS used proprietary versions of most of those) and 3D in HD. PSP was a quantum leap above every portable before it in every way. I own over a hundred PS3 games and about 60 or so PSP games.
On the other hand, I want Vita to be in this position. Sony deserves it for removing everything that made PSP great, for the SECOND time. They should have learned their lesson from PSP go. You can't compete in this day and age with the iphone app store, or DS backwards compatibility when you're starting with almost nothing. Not letting PSP users play most of their PSP games was why PSP go failed, and they did it again on Vita! Worse, they even removed things PSP go actually got right. Like the ability to use PS3 controllers, or the game hibernation/pause feature. Plus they removed TV out. The only reason I bought a PSP 2000 was for TV out, and the only reason I got the go was to use PS3 controllers (cause I knew someone would have it to play the games I own) They even screwed us over on the memory cards, and were too stupid to make the game card and memory card the same like the Tapwave Zodiac, so people who prefer to download games could have double the space instead of an unused slot.
The other reason I want Sony in this position is cause success makes companies rest on their own laurels. PS1/PS2 weren't that good of systems, but they sold tons and Sony didn't have to do anything. I knew from the start PSP wouldn't sell as well as DS. It couldn't at that price and lacking a red Nintendo logo. And I knew PS3 would sell worse because of that and the confidence lost on PSP. Because they sold worse than their competition, Sony was forced to actually fight for sales, and PSP/PS3 were made better for it. They still sat on their hands in stupid ways (not using RemotePlay in the way Nintendo now is, for example) but PSP/PS3 are such good systems because Sony was in this position.
But on the first hand, I originally felt years ago that how much a company made didn't matter so long as I got what I wanted. Then DS/Wii/iPhone taught me developers follow the money, meaning success for the enemy is less games for me. Every hour a dev spends programming a casual 'game' is an hour they're not programming one for me. Instead of Dead Rising 2 coming out a year early, devs were working on a horrible Wii port of DR1 for example. Granted 3DS is no longer the bastion of shovelware and casual garbage the DS was, iPhone gets that honor now. So 3DS's success doesn't punish me as much as DS did.
To conclude, I want Sony to be as aware as possible of how bad Vita is doing. I want them to know they have to do something. Not take 5 months to put out 10 PS1 games, or 2 RemotePlay games. Realize PSP gamers are waiting for an excuse to upgrade, and there's a bunch of stuff PSP did better than Vita does now. ie: Vita's horrible GUI. Christmas is around the corner, fix a few things or waste the best sales opportunity in a year.
On the other hand, I want Vita to be in this position. Sony deserves it for removing everything that made PSP great, for the SECOND time. They should have learned their lesson from PSP go. You can't compete in this day and age with the iphone app store, or DS backwards compatibility when you're starting with almost nothing. Not letting PSP users play most of their PSP games was why PSP go failed, and they did it again on Vita! Worse, they even removed things PSP go actually got right. Like the ability to use PS3 controllers, or the game hibernation/pause feature. Plus they removed TV out. The only reason I bought a PSP 2000 was for TV out, and the only reason I got the go was to use PS3 controllers (cause I knew someone would have it to play the games I own) They even screwed us over on the memory cards, and were too stupid to make the game card and memory card the same like the Tapwave Zodiac, so people who prefer to download games could have double the space instead of an unused slot.
The other reason I want Sony in this position is cause success makes companies rest on their own laurels. PS1/PS2 weren't that good of systems, but they sold tons and Sony didn't have to do anything. I knew from the start PSP wouldn't sell as well as DS. It couldn't at that price and lacking a red Nintendo logo. And I knew PS3 would sell worse because of that and the confidence lost on PSP. Because they sold worse than their competition, Sony was forced to actually fight for sales, and PSP/PS3 were made better for it. They still sat on their hands in stupid ways (not using RemotePlay in the way Nintendo now is, for example) but PSP/PS3 are such good systems because Sony was in this position.
But on the first hand, I originally felt years ago that how much a company made didn't matter so long as I got what I wanted. Then DS/Wii/iPhone taught me developers follow the money, meaning success for the enemy is less games for me. Every hour a dev spends programming a casual 'game' is an hour they're not programming one for me. Instead of Dead Rising 2 coming out a year early, devs were working on a horrible Wii port of DR1 for example. Granted 3DS is no longer the bastion of shovelware and casual garbage the DS was, iPhone gets that honor now. So 3DS's success doesn't punish me as much as DS did.
To conclude, I want Sony to be as aware as possible of how bad Vita is doing. I want them to know they have to do something. Not take 5 months to put out 10 PS1 games, or 2 RemotePlay games. Realize PSP gamers are waiting for an excuse to upgrade, and there's a bunch of stuff PSP did better than Vita does now. ie: Vita's horrible GUI. Christmas is around the corner, fix a few things or waste the best sales opportunity in a year.
" Of the big 3, Sony deserves success most of all.They've done more for us than Nintendo or MS."
Stopped reading after that, what a load of bullshit !
Stopped reading after that, what a load of bullshit !
The wife got me one this past week, been playing psone MGS on it and tried some demo's. Shinobido2 was about the only demo I liked. I'm still thinking about returning it and just getting a shitload of games for 3ds or ps3.
Sony in my eyes chuckled as they tried to scam us with that expensive memory card bullshit. When people found out you needed to pay an extra $70+ to get a half decent memory stick they tended to get a little pissed and say fuck this shit. Now everyone wants a price drop (and I mean for the sticks as well). The failure of the PSP getting new games at the end is still fresh in my mind as well and I honestly don't see Vita improving in that area wither. Sony pretty much burned all their bridges.
Shame because my Vita shits on just about every mobile unit out there. It's better than the 3DS by light years, it's better than my buddy's HTC, my son's Samsung, my neighbor's iPhone...in some ways it's better than my 360 and PS3.
...but I can't play Escape Plan and Hustle Kings forever. :\
...but I can't play Escape Plan and Hustle Kings forever. :\
It could always use more games, but I guess I'm the only one who doesn't feel that the Vita's lacking in that department. Between Project DIVA f, The Pinball Arcade and especially Disgaea 3, I wouldn't have time to play anything else on it anyway. I'll probably sink a few hundred hours into D3 over time. And Technika TUNE comes out late this month. And there are some really great PSP RPGs that I missed, like Trails in the Sky. And the ability to practice several current fighting games from anywhere...
...I seriously believe that there is quite a lot to play on Vita at the moment. Compared to other consoles and handhelds? No, of course not, and because of this, our expectations are that there *should* be more than there is. But putting those expectations aside, and taking a good, hard look at the actual library, there's quite a bit there, especially if you count the good selection of inexpensive PSP titles on PSN. Really.
It's a bit large for that, but...what if the 3G model could be modified such that it could also be an actual smartphone, instead of *almost* a smartphone? Would that change your opinions of it?
...I seriously believe that there is quite a lot to play on Vita at the moment. Compared to other consoles and handhelds? No, of course not, and because of this, our expectations are that there *should* be more than there is. But putting those expectations aside, and taking a good, hard look at the actual library, there's quite a bit there, especially if you count the good selection of inexpensive PSP titles on PSN. Really.
It's a bit large for that, but...what if the 3G model could be modified such that it could also be an actual smartphone, instead of *almost* a smartphone? Would that change your opinions of it?
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