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I'm not defending them at all but just looking at it logically.. these things change so much that the screen on the website could have been a mock up or an old version. (or not)
Just throwing some possibilities out there.
And if they DID ask for it, let's hope they weren't dumb enough to save it.
Just throwing some possibilities out there.
And if they DID ask for it, let's hope they weren't dumb enough to save it.
I don't recall giving that info but I might have. The minute the news that PSN was hacked, I contacted my credit card company and had my account changed. I did this even though I recently deleted the card from my PSN account. You cannot be too careful.
Some people on Twitter have said they definitely remember putting the security code in.
It's possible they changed the policy at a later date so only some users had to do it. I doubt many can remember for sure whether they did or not, I sure as hell can't.
I'll say it's certainly unusual for a company NOT to ask for it these days.
It's possible they changed the policy at a later date so only some users had to do it. I doubt many can remember for sure whether they did or not, I sure as hell can't.
I'll say it's certainly unusual for a company NOT to ask for it these days.
Don't you usually need to use your security code when you make a purchase online? How would Sony know your card was legit if you didn't?
It looks like he was wrong, unless that's an inaccurate mock-up. I'd lean more toward him being wrong or having misspoke, since pretty much everywhere online requires you to use the security code--that's actually the point of having it.
Rather than a big conspiracy, I'd guess that he was judging from the fact that the servers didn't store the information, and thus made an assumption that it wasn't requested, or he misunderstood what what the technicians were telling him.
This is only a big deal if the security codes were stored for any length of time. Although, any kind of information obtained from new accounts would be in memory, and more at risk.
Rather than a big conspiracy, I'd guess that he was judging from the fact that the servers didn't store the information, and thus made an assumption that it wasn't requested, or he misunderstood what what the technicians were telling him.
This is only a big deal if the security codes were stored for any length of time. Although, any kind of information obtained from new accounts would be in memory, and more at risk.
@Slagathorian
In some countries where they operate, it's also illegal to store personal data in an unencrypted state, but they did.
In some countries where they operate, it's also illegal to store personal data in an unencrypted state, but they did.
I'm sure if Sony did request for a CVC on PSN while claiming not doing so, somebody would have pointed that out already. Come on. I hope that picture is fake for my own sake.
Yeah I bought Arcana Heart 3 when it launched, that was less than a week before the service was brought down. I paid from my Visa checking card and had to input my CSC on the billing page.
They may not be able to save CSC data themselves, but my biggest concern is if it shows up in purchase histories, which hackers definitely did obtain.
They may not be able to save CSC data themselves, but my biggest concern is if it shows up in purchase histories, which hackers definitely did obtain.
@Jim
As I've said prior, I don't remember putting the code in, but I didn't use a Credit Card, I used debit. Perhaps that's part of it.
The Image looks like it's from an old Firmware too, there's no sparkly on the wave in the background.
As I've said prior, I don't remember putting the code in, but I didn't use a Credit Card, I used debit. Perhaps that's part of it.
The Image looks like it's from an old Firmware too, there's no sparkly on the wave in the background.
Yes they did ask for it. I remember that screen very well. You only get that screen the first time you enter your card info.
Wait, they asked for your CVV initially and you never had to re-enter it on purchases?
That would mean it's stored somewhere :/
That would mean it's stored somewhere :/
The issue really isn't so much people being at increased risk. It's Sony not getting its stories straight when it really needs to look like it has its shit together, more than ever.
German Medias stated yesterday a quote from some german sony executive that the Security Code Number wasn't stored in the same database as the other infos and so the hackers don't have it.
@Aleczandah
I'm kind of curious, but what does that have to do with anything? I don't think most people really care if someone with CFW who tries to access PSN has their CC information stolen. In fact, after all this, some people might consider it amusing.
I'm kind of curious, but what does that have to do with anything? I don't think most people really care if someone with CFW who tries to access PSN has their CC information stolen. In fact, after all this, some people might consider it amusing.
Maybe they asked for it but did not store it?
I don't remember giving it but who knows.
@Cudgeon
Makes sense to me.
I don't remember giving it but who knows.
@Cudgeon
Makes sense to me.
They may have asked for it, but they didn't necessarily store it. If they did store, it's entirely possible (even likely, given their comments) that the security codes were stored on a separate server, encrypted and hidden away the the prying eyes of the hackers.
@Hasney
No, it doesn't mean it's stored, just that it was used to verify the information. I don't think it's even needed for purchases.
This is most likely just miscommunication between someone in management and the people doing the actual work.
No, it doesn't mean it's stored, just that it was used to verify the information. I don't think it's even needed for purchases.
This is most likely just miscommunication between someone in management and the people doing the actual work.
In my opinion that the PS3's security issues have become a greater threat to consumer confidence than the RROD ever could be. PS4 coming soon methinks.
@Aleczandah
What pokota said.
The only people that could be hurt by that are people running CFW that's been modified to send through a specific proxy monitored for that information. No one that wasn't already part of the problem would be hurt by that.
What pokota said.
The only people that could be hurt by that are people running CFW that's been modified to send through a specific proxy monitored for that information. No one that wasn't already part of the problem would be hurt by that.
Well all I remember is after I entered it in at some point I was able to make purchases without re-entering anything as long as the card was still valid. Thankfully my card expired and it was time for a new one right as this all went down.
"I wish you kiddies would put as much attention on the corrupt assholes that run the Federal Reserve."
Quick question: Are we on a blog about the federal reserve?
Quick question: Are we on a blog about the federal reserve?
Your CC info and Security Code has to be stored somewhere, take your Amazon Wallet for example. You can add an item to your cart and click Buy and just purchase without ever having to type anything from your credit card except that first time.
Amazon themselves may not keep the info but verify the it via Visa or Mastercard and link to it through the wallet. All the chat logs on pastie.org seems to show otherwise though for PSN. Just a thought.
Amazon themselves may not keep the info but verify the it via Visa or Mastercard and link to it through the wallet. All the chat logs on pastie.org seems to show otherwise though for PSN. Just a thought.
I don't ever remember ever being asked for it when I signed up. And even if I did, there was no card on file afterward, because I remember adding a card at a later date.
The CS code gets dumped with each transaction, that's why 99% of the time even if you CS is saved on lets say Amazon, you still have to put the CS Code. It's the reason it was developed. Sony needs to shut up because there are confusing the masses with the more they talk. See they are telling the truth but people like yourself Jim, are interpreting it wrong. Then again why say "requested" when they mean stored. This seems like a misunderstanding.
Do you have to re-enter it when making a purchase? Because if not, I'm pretty sure it must be stored somewhere, as you have to have it in order to take money from an account.
Or am I missing something vital; like they just guess?
Or am I missing something vital; like they just guess?
I wonder if all this fuck up is miscommunication with Sony of Japan PR. Since Sony is known for not working well with its other regions. From what I read the only thing these hackers or hacker got was access to personal information and encrypted CC info.
Pretty much everywhere asks for the CVC code, but I think there are laws against it being stored. I know from memory (I switch the card saved to my account every month or so) that the page does indeed look like that.
Yeah, I think the concern here is Sony looking like morons when they need to look like they have their shit together. And there isn't a service I know of that doesn't ask for the security code.
Oh well, I won't be giving Sony my business for the remainder of this year. I'll give them til next year to get their shit together.
Oh well, I won't be giving Sony my business for the remainder of this year. I'll give them til next year to get their shit together.
I honestly can't remember. But I think I probably did. You almost always need it in order to make a purchase online or anywhere almost.
If I order over the phone for food delivery from a local restaurant I have to give that information out as well. The only time that information isn't needed is when you're physically there to swipe the card yourself.
If I order over the phone for food delivery from a local restaurant I have to give that information out as well. The only time that information isn't needed is when you're physically there to swipe the card yourself.
I am 100% sure I did provide the info in question.
The bigger question(s): Who is this Patrick Seybold guy, where was he in the early days of this PSN situation, and is he a complete idiot or just a guy who probably wishes he had a different job right about now?
The bigger question(s): Who is this Patrick Seybold guy, where was he in the early days of this PSN situation, and is he a complete idiot or just a guy who probably wishes he had a different job right about now?
@Jim, unless they changed it VERY recently. I remember getting that screen about two months ago when I removed my old card info and was going to put my new card info in. Lucky for me I changed my mind in the last minute and figured I'd just use psn cards insted. (truth be told, I was just to lazy) laziness ftw.
I never put any credit card information into my PS3...so I don't have to worry.
Why the hell is everyone freaking out? CHANGE YOUR GOD DAMN CREDIT CARD, you should be checking your CC history often, that is if you are a responsible human being.
Just get a new CC, check your history, and stop bitching.
Why the hell is everyone freaking out? CHANGE YOUR GOD DAMN CREDIT CARD, you should be checking your CC history often, that is if you are a responsible human being.
Just get a new CC, check your history, and stop bitching.
@catsithx
I know you were just being facetious, but I'll answer the question anyway. Now isn't a good time, unless you're mainly a single-player gamer like I am, but a few weeks from now will likely be an even better time to buy a PS3 than ever. Sony has likely been working on the schematics for a more secure network for awhile, and while no security is flawless, at the very least it should take a long time to break. New networks always have kinks to work out, though, so I'd wait at least a month after it goes up again.
Although, actually, if the rumors are right about an incoming price cut, then it might be best to wait for that.
It will be interesting to see what effect all this has on PS3 sales. The PS3 has been the top selling console for the last couple of months, with somewhere around 20-25k more units moved a week than the second place console (the Wii and 360 are neck-and-neck and often flip spots). It looks like they will come in under that average for the week ending on the 23rd, but some of that could simply be that hardware sales are down. This will be the week where we'd see a big drop, but that data won't be published for awhile.
I know you were just being facetious, but I'll answer the question anyway. Now isn't a good time, unless you're mainly a single-player gamer like I am, but a few weeks from now will likely be an even better time to buy a PS3 than ever. Sony has likely been working on the schematics for a more secure network for awhile, and while no security is flawless, at the very least it should take a long time to break. New networks always have kinks to work out, though, so I'd wait at least a month after it goes up again.
Although, actually, if the rumors are right about an incoming price cut, then it might be best to wait for that.
It will be interesting to see what effect all this has on PS3 sales. The PS3 has been the top selling console for the last couple of months, with somewhere around 20-25k more units moved a week than the second place console (the Wii and 360 are neck-and-neck and often flip spots). It looks like they will come in under that average for the week ending on the 23rd, but some of that could simply be that hardware sales are down. This will be the week where we'd see a big drop, but that data won't be published for awhile.
I blocked mine the moment they announced on twitter that they lost our "personal data", waiting for the new one, but switching to those prepaid cards from now on...
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