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Sony believes PS3 could top PS2's 10 year sales photo

We all know how well the PS2 did, mostly because we all probably still have one. Sony managed to push 146 million of these ugly game systems out the door in ten years. CEO Kaz Hirai thinks they can top that with the PS3 now.

"The high point, looking back at our console business, has been PS2," he claims. "For PS3, that is one level of success we’d like to emulate and hopefully surpass at the end of the ten-year life cycle."

How is he going to hit this 150 million mark with the PS3? By switching things up at Sony headquarters. The HQ has been restructured into three units: console, handheld, and accessories. Hirai also says that their Japanese HQ will be sending out the directives on business decisions from now on, with each unit making decisions for the world.

“If it’s right for Japan it’s probably not right for the rest of the world,” he told MCV. Tokyo's taking back the power.








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mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:50
mix
*Star Fox Voice*

Good Luck
deityofanime's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:51
deityofanime
Oh you, Sony. ( 'w ')
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:51
Nic128
Not happening. Give it 15 and we'll see.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:53
HEL105
I'd be surprised, but who knows?
RedWinters's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:53
RedWinters
Still dont understand why sony just didnt make it double the graphics power just to certify its place as a better counsel it would have justified the starting price and they had the capability too, instead we have a splitting hairs counsel competition so I doubt the sales will be nearly as close.
meteorscrap's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:56
meteorscrap
Well, they're nearly four years in to their ten-year plan and they've sold... Uh, just over 38 million as of June 31st. So they'd just have jump their sales by two and a half times what they're selling now.

Yeah, only two and a half.

That's nothing at all.

*snort*

Sony would need to dump the price another hundred bucks and push the Blu-Ray/Gaming thing on the public to do it, and that's not going to happen.
Strandli's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 10:57
Strandli
If they launched the PS3 Slim with a 299$ price back in 2006, they would probably. But they fucked up early on, and now they're paying for it. Hopefully PS4 won't do the same mistakes.
meteorscrap's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 11:01
meteorscrap
Hell, the Nintendo Wii is probably going to just barely come close. They've only sold 74 million of the damned things since launch.
Neroisonfire's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 11:03
Neroisonfire
More price drops are inevitable. I guess it could happen, but even with the larger consumer market and wider appeal of the ps3, it's going to be hard.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 11:32
Bakewell
Can someone explain to me how restructuring departments at Sony hq will convince motor people to buy a ps3?

A console buyer isn't going to purchase a ps3 over a wii or 360 because the company that develops the console has streamlined its departments.

What decisions could they make bar more price drops? Perhaps employ more people like sexual chocolate to beat everyone else down with fanboy drudgery until they relent and buy one?
Chad Almasy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 11:33
Chad Almasy
...didn't the PS2 sell well from the get go? *cough*
Rhuno's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 11:39
Rhuno
I wouldn't say it's beyond the realm of possibility. As time goes on, the PS3 should see more and more price drops which will grab consumer attention. If the economies improve and the games keep coming, Sony may achieve this goal.

That said, if I had to hazard a guess, I would say they don't.
BiggyP's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 11:42
BiggyP
@Bakewell
Nah you'r kinda right. But if they have departments that focus more on one thing maybe they can market and promote it better, focus more on the games for the specific console etc.
The difference on how they are handling the ps3 now and when it was released is big, who says it cant change up even more :).
When it was released they just treated it entirely like a home media machine with gaming capabilities instead of vice versa, thats how i felt anyway, and if i dont remember it wrong they even admited to that and focused more on the gaming aspect and now the ps3 is doing better.
Then ofcourse you have the price drops hehe :D.

On the other hand, what the fuck do i know, im fat irl so obviously my judgement is already bad.

Sorry for bad grammar
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 12:25
amtalx
Sony has a history of hubris, but this is just plain delusional.
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 12:39
Electrium
Kay Sony, yeah, we'll see.

*snicker*
pokota's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 12:41
pokota
The PS3 would have to finish strong to come close, which is impossible to predict since we don't know when next gen consoles will pop up from Nintendo or Microsoft. The PS3 has shown strong world-wide growth each year, however. The next Xbox will be strong, but who can say with Nintendo, since they have a history of following popular consoles with relative flops.
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 12:54
amtalx
@pokota:

Since the PS3 finally hit puberty a year or so ago, it's been performing well. However, performing "well" isn't going to cut it. The PS3 would need to sell like fucking gangbusters IMMEDIATELY to have any chance of catching the PS2. At this point in the last generation, the PS2 was already laughing at all the other consoles. As it stands right now, the PS3 is desperately trying to limp out of 3rd place. I do believe it's closing on the 360, but not anywhere near the rate that's necessary.

Long story short, Sony went from stomping throats the last two generations to scratching and clawing their way out of last place. They've probably learned their lesson, and the PS4 might have a better shot at running the show again.
meteorscrap's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 13:01
meteorscrap
@amtalx
That's going to require the PS4 to launch within six months of Nintendo and Microsoft, which is not likely. Perhaps they've learned that they can't come to the party late, perhaps not.

The problem is that BluRay wasn't the only game in town, and the buyer hesitence to pick the wrong side (and hesitation in picking up a $700 player) strangled their ability to pick up momentum early.
pokota's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 13:14
pokota
@amtalx
I know the PS2 started great, but what I'm talking about are the sales of a console toward the end of it's life cycle being dependent on the release of newer consoles. If other console manufacturers also embrace the longer life cycle philosophy, then that could change things. We're talking about stuff only an industry insider would be able to predict, which is kind of my point. We can't assume things will go the same with each generation, because they clearly haven't in the past.

As far as one console or another being in "3rd place", I'm still not sure what people mean by that. No company judges how well its product is doing based on the launch day of its competitor, but for some reason gamers think this is the definitive method for determining profitability. Heck, if I'm not mistaken, the PS3 has a higher rate of sale than the 360, which I would think is a more relevant number.
EdgyDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 13:15
EdgyDude
@Tony Ponce: i LOL'd!
KwikPwn's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 13:25
KwikPwn
The magic number for the PS3 is $199. They'll sell like crazy at $199.

That said, I think they're 2 years out from that, and this gen will be just about over since I expect at least one of the big 3 to launch a next gen console in about 2 years.
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 13:27
amtalx
@pokota:

You do have a point about a new generation curbing sales for the old one. That could be a potentially large variable. However, that would have to mean that PS3 sales are FAR from their peak, which I don't see. I still think the PS3 has some climbing to do before it hits the downside, but that depends a lot on when they can get the price below $200.

Judging a console's success relative to other consoles is valid depending on who you are. If you're the manufacturer, it's not the best indicator. But it's hugely important as a publisher since their sales are largely launch day agnostic. The console with the largest audience has the best potential for profit. Since software sales drive hardware sales, you run into a bit of a chicken and egg argument.
walnut100's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 13:32
walnut100
> Gives worldwide business control to Japan
> Expects sales to rise exponentially

Sony you're funny
JulianProxy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 13:38
JulianProxy
“If it’s right for Japan it’s probably not right for the rest of the world.”

These sound like famous last words. How many companies fail to pay attention to their global market and then fail in certain regions. It's not that it can't work, but I would HOPE that they would consult people in other regions before setting worldwide policy.
Vanor's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 13:40
Vanor
Let's see here:

The PS3 will not come close to matching the sales numbers of the PS2, even if they price cut all the way to 100 dollars. The PS3 is 300 dollars now, yet PS3 sales are still pittling. It would seem that a) consumers are not interested in a blu-ray player that also happens to play games, and that b) there is hardly anything about the PS3 that sets it apart from the PS2. What really defines a console generation is the kind of experiences it offers. The PS3 doesn't offer any fundamentally different experiences compared to the PS2.

This is why the Wii outsold both the 360 and PS3 because it offered a fundamentally--and radically--different experience from the 360 and PS3, and especially from its own predecessor. The true videogame competition is not with other console makers but in competing against disinterest. If Sony truly attempted to compete against disinterest, then they would begin to see a reversal in their stagnant hardware sales. Sadly, that doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon, and in fact may never happen.

As for new console hardware, I'd seriously doubt seeing anything like that anytime soon. The economy is getting worse which all but assure that we won't be seeing new game hardware for at least another 3-10 years, and it's very unlikely that Microsoft will be around much longer to contribute to the "next generation" of videogame console hardware.
retardotron's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 13:50
retardotron
FAT CHANCE
BalloonFighter's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 13:54
BalloonFighter
Ten years is a long time. If they really cut prices and kept the PS3 relevant for a decade...Why not. Imagine how PS3s would fly off the shelves if they were $150.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 14:07
Shin Oni
Not without Backwards Compatibility it wont.
Master Snake's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 14:07
Master Snake
Of course Sony believes it. They made the thing. I doubt it will happen, though. The PS2 is a great system, with awesome games across the board. The PS3 is just... no, it won't surpass PS2 sales, let's just say that.
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 14:08
catsithx
Wow they do have high aspirations I see. Well It's to dream big. To set such lofty goals. Lets face it the PS2 had so much going for it. It was a great system that had backwards capabilities. It had a awesome library . Ps 3 doesn't compare to the Ps2 in games. Also they basically shoved the blueray player down everyone's throat. So yeah it was not one of the best decisions they ever made, also the price didn't help
Gol-D-Roger's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 14:18
Gol-D-Roger
Keep on dreaming, keep on shining
Keep on grinding, don't stop trying
Keep on dreaming, keep on flowing
Keep on growing, don't stop hoping.........Dont stop hoping
rexwolf2's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 14:22
rexwolf2
No. Just no.
Gee-Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 14:33
Gee-Man
Seriously? Sony would have to start packing free hookers and three wishes with the PS3 to get even remotely close to the PS2's numbers. Throw in backwards compatability and maybe you'll see a jump too. Hell, even the Wii probably won't match the PS2 for a long time.
Jay Me's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 15:07
Jay Me
Don't expect the PS4 until at least 2016, because that's how long it would take them.
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 15:08
Retrofraction
So as for sony in the gaming world I think they have reached their peak a long time ago, and now nintendo is back and kicking their @$$E$ again. While the wii does not have as nearly exclusive titles, horr shooters, and massive online fun. I think Nintendo has gotten back to being a profitable company and sony as a third party hardware distributor.

its not that they are bad video game console maker, but that they were never a good video game company to start with.
Uzeless's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 15:10
Uzeless
Sony 'believed' it would win the console war before it even began. This means NOTHING!!!!
brod's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 17:56
brod
I believe it too. PS3 sales are going to steadily increase as more and more people upgrade from SDTV/DVD to HDTV/Bluray, not to mention Sony's ever expanding library of exclusive games.
Maniac's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 18:12
Maniac
Yeahhh... no.

I stopped believing that Sony would dominate this generation when they first announced the $500/$600 launch price.
akumapunk's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 19:05
akumapunk
Well they got to have goals... but maybe this is to much.
The PS2 was a great deal for the price, with DVD player, backwards compatibility with games/accesories, overall good game library.

I feel the PS3 got on track with the slim and is getting some attention and sales but I believe is kinda late to be able to achieve such a task.
At least I'm waiting a price drop to get a PS3 slim.
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 19:23
catsithx
Don't worry The PS3 will print money for Sony like nintendo ......BWAHHAHAHAHAHA XD Sorry I couldn't help it.
runtheplacered's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 21:10
runtheplacered
lol @ this article.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 22:56
Dv8thwonder
What the LOL!
RaelXX's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2010 23:04
RaelXX
I also believe I can beat ANYONE in the VS mode of Final Fantasy VII. My Ky Kusanagi is way more powerful is WAY more powerful with this filthy Junction Materia combo I myself thought of. I'm waiting everyone online to prove this.
EmGee's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/27/2010 13:17
EmGee
First I think they need to work on the PSN. Add more content to it eg: Movies, Music, TV Shows, Podcasts, Indie games. Upload their entire PSP/PSX/PS2 catalog to it. Or at least all of the PSP and some of the PSX/PS2. Once they get the media content up then work on some way to add backwards compatibility.

I know a lot of people either think this idea is great or lackluster but once the console supports it I think it will be another bonus for Sony and one less thing to think about.

They also need to work more closely with 3RD party devs and indie devs so that they can either get more exclusives or at least more dedication towards the games that come out. There are a lot of ports that come to PS3 right after Xbox and some dont look that great. I hear, for devs, the system is tough to code for. I dont know how true that is or isnt but if it is true they (sony) should be trying to remedy that situation.

Eventually, possibly, a price cut to $200. If they could do these things then maybe they would sell more consoles and possibly either tie with the 146 million PS2 units sold or maybe surpass it by a few.

My only doubt is that Sonys PS Division still thinks they're the big badass company they were back in 2000. Dont get me wrong they make a mean system but their fall from grace in the console arena these past few years has been harsh. They were at the top of their game only to fall so far to where they are now. Despite all that they still do pretty decently but from my view they have a lot of ground to cover to get back to their former glory. If they continue to act high and mighty that will either be them to slip further into oblivion or cause them to remain where they are.

I hope they wise up and get moving.
BoomingEchoes's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/27/2010 14:58
BoomingEchoes
I'm sorry, not to be a hater, but I don't believe it.
Jeffrey Puritz's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/27/2010 15:56
Jeffrey Puritz
@Dale
there must be a mistake in the article the last sentence is contradictory and makes no sense (much like Sony marketing...)
other4m's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2010 02:24
other4m
it will sell better, if they say it, they must know.
don't you al remember that sony has a time machine?

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/kevin-butler-sony/63351
Gr00v3r's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2010 20:54
Gr00v3r
I wish them good luck. Also the business plan seems to be in conflict. Having all directives and business decisions made in Japan for the world.
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