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Sonic Team: Old school Sonic fans hard to please photo

Sonic Team boss Takashi Iizuka has stated that Sonic the Hedgehog's older fans are a tough audience, and that trying to keep them happy while providing gameplay innovations has always been a problem. He's hoping Sonic Generations will fix that, though. 

"Our team are always trying to present new gameplay innovations so it’s hard to please fans who like the gameplay from the older games," he told ONM. "However, we have included the older gameplay as part of Sonic’s 20th Anniversary, so we think the fans of the older games will enjoy it [Generations] as well. We are also looking into continuing the Sonic 4 series which was released on WiiWare, and we’ll keep developing titles so more fans will enjoy the games."

While I think some of the hardcore fans out there are impossible to please (the kind of psychos who do really long Youtube videos comparing Sonic 2 and Sonic 4's rolling physics), I don't think it's too tough to satisfy the majority of older fans. Just make a game that, y'know, doesn't completely suck. 

Mind you, for Sonic Team, that might be the big challenge. 

Iizuka: 'It's hard to please old Sonic fans' [ONM]








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wickedsickzombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:19
wickedsickzombie
It's just hard to please ANYONE! It's human for us to want to get angry and get our voices heard. Hell, I'm complaining about complaining right now
ZeniGeva's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:20
ZeniGeva
They obviously haven't met the Silent Hill "fans"...
meteorscrap's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:21
meteorscrap
It's not really that hard to make games in 3D. I don't understand why Sonic Team struggles with it. Even Colors, while not as bad as, say, Sonic 2006, was not uninterrupted fun like the old-school Sonic games were.

A large part of it might just be to take out the pits of death entirely. I'm pretty sure 80% of Sonic's planet is bottomless pits at this point. And Sonic Team, remember how Sonic could run on the surface of water if he was going fast enough? Bring that back. That'd be fun in 3D, and you could make a cool level out of it if you'd let Sonic swim.
StarPlatinum's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:22
StarPlatinum
They just mean it's easy to please new Sonic fans.

Just keep adding shitty new characters and fanfiction.net-worthy plots while refusing to innovate or quality test gameplay, and you're set.
tekbunny's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:22
tekbunny
You suck sonic team. Sonic has NEVER been a good game

Checkmate, gentlemen
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:23
CelicaCrazed
I thought "innovations" is exactly what hardcore Sonic fans didn't want??
Epic-Kx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:23
Epic-Kx
Sonic fans are officially #7 on the worst gaming fans ever. #1 is megaman fans.

Sonic Team should focus on working on tuning their 3D gameplay. It was playable, yet flawed in unleashed, then it was better in Colours. Tighten that bitch up like a stingy hooker, then we have a good sonic game instead a half of a sonic game ala Unleashed.

Also, listen to Sonic fans who LOVE Jet Set Radio. They know how games work, not those retarded "OMG SONICXSHADELLAARCHIECOMICSAMYCHRISCHAAAAAAAN"

Big booty hoes, hop with it.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:24
SephirothX
"Sonic fans are hard to please"

Translation

"Sonic fans want shit that is good"
StickfighterTV's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:25
StickfighterTV
"Hardcore" Sonic fans are rabid kneejerkers/basement dwellers who wish it was still 1991 because Sonic games were good and they actually had 2 friends in middle school.
ZeniGeva's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:26
ZeniGeva
tekbunny
"You suck sonic team. Sonic has NEVER been a good game"

^ This.
seamonkey420's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:26
seamonkey420
i'll be honest, the probem with sonic games are that there isn't much depth. you run fast and jump but thats about all. just the way the game has always been since day one. sonic was never about puzzle solving or unique mechanics like Mario games; speed was the seller mainly.
BkV's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:29
BkV
Hardcore sonic fans are just like everyone else.
Gamers...
...that want fun games.
GoofierBrute's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:31
GoofierBrute
Or Sonic Team could do what most people do and ignore their most hardcore "fans' and just make a game that appeals to everybody.

@Epic
I would say Sonic fans are #4 of worst gaming fans ever, if only because the industry as a whole is kind of use to their bullshit.
RockWallofMight359's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:39
RockWallofMight359
I could take this seriously, but I'll just laugh and remember how much better Mario games are.
Exu's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:43
Exu
I beg to differ, all they need to do is stop making shit games.

Yes I just pretty much echoed Jim.
PekoponTAS's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:45
PekoponTAS
Honestly, I don't see why people hate on Sonic Colours for wii. If you were to ask me, I'd say it's probably the best Sonic game ever made. Mind you I haven't played a ton of Sonic games, but I have played the classic genesis games and Sonic Adventure, and I'd still rather play Colours over those games. (Though they are still great games)
Janklogs's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:49
Janklogs
More accurate title: Sonic Team: Old school Sonic fans fucking impssible to please. You know it to be true.

Also, Epic is successful troll/Crapcom gloryhole proprieter.
Janklogs's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:52
Janklogs
Also, everyone keeps forgetting Sonic Team did Phantasy Star Online and Zero. This makes me have a sad.
Nobunaga Oda's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:56
Nobunaga Oda
The Gameplay doesn't matter anymore. You have put Chemical Plant Zone in the game. You win 1000 Internet points.
Androu1's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:56
Androu1
@meteorscrap "And Sonic Team, remember how Sonic could run on the surface of water if he was going fast enough? Bring that back. That'd be fun in 3D, and you could make a cool level out of it if you'd let Sonic swim."

Played Sonic Unleashed?
Androu1's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:58
Androu1
The only Sonic game that COMPLETELY sucked was 2006.
Metal Mark's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 12:59
Metal Mark
Androu

THATS A LIE

Unleashed is worse
Metal Mark's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 13:01
Metal Mark
Also a step in the right direction would be to get rid of that damn hedgehog engine.

Also Colors Wii was boring, not fun at all tbh
Exu's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 13:08
Exu
Seriously though they might be able to do it if they tried just a little bit.
Janklogs's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 13:09
Janklogs
Metal Mark is troll
sadisticfreak432's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 13:13
sadisticfreak432
"the kind of psychos who do really long Youtube videos comparing Sonic 2 and Sonic 4's rolling physics"

That's BEEN the problem with the newer games! If they can change that, I'm satisfied.
ucnslowdnce's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 13:15
ucnslowdnce
Besides some of the newer games being mediocre, my biggest beef is what they've done with Sonic as a character. Sonic shouldn't talk. Remember Sonic 1 - Knuckles Chaotix? That's they should have kept it. I don't mind the addition of new characters (a lot of people bitch about this), but the dialogue is usually crap, characters sound stupid, etc. Just look at almost all games that Valve puts out. The character you play as says nothing, doesn't even make a peep, and the game is usually better for it (aside from the many other things that make Valve games great).

And I'm not even really that much of a Sonic fan...then again, this is probably the reason.
wanderingpixels's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 13:16
wanderingpixels
Unleashed and Colors were actually pretty fun games. Not great, but still solid. I think they've been moving in the right direction lately.
AllenR's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 13:16
AllenR
It's a bit of a combination of both Sonic Team sucking and psychotic Sonic fans being impossible to please. For Sonic Team, there's issues of releasing crap like Sonic 2k6 and Sonic and the Black Knight. Then with fans there's the issue of complaining about speed, "boycotting" Sonic 4 by buying Sonic 2/3 and complaining that classic Sonic's shoe color is wrong in the upcoming Generations.
RockWallofMight359's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 13:24
RockWallofMight359
@Janklogs

Coming from the guy who believes he can have a sad. :D
Sæglópur's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 13:39
Sæglópur
@Metal Mark

Not even close. Unleashed had shit parts, i.e. coins, wearhog, hub world, etc.; however, 2K6 was a mess all around, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 13:40
Excel-2011
Screw the old fans. Make new ones.
randombullseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 13:42
randombullseye
How is the escapist treating you these days Jim?
Kieran Hubbard's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 13:42
Kieran Hubbard
Sonic Unleashed was actually awesome. The werewolf bits were shit yeah, but the speedy day sections more than made up for it. and the soundtrack was pretty good too.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 13:48
KingSigy
I've never completely understood the Sonic hate, but I also dislike all of the modern games. Still, Sonic 4 was a step in the right direction, it was just let down by poor level and boss design, not some stupid running/rolling physics.
Bealtespip122's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 13:57
Bealtespip122
I think it's the psycho hardcore Sonic fans that are keeping Sonic from evolving. I think it would be great if Sonic can utilize his speed for many other gameplay mechanics other than just.....running.
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 14:02
Retrofraction
Well I would have to agree, we do not have alot of people going nutz over mario in 3D vs 2D or zelda.

I do think that sonic fans are picky, however the devloper has recently been able to make a sonic game that impressed me this last five years.

I am glad that sonic 4 is going to be continued on Wiiware because it was a big blow to not play join other people in the playing of genreations.

I think that the big problem is that sega made to many sonic games...maby it would be a good idea to spend 3 years devloping a great sonic games instead of 8 sonic games over 3 years that are S***!
Hell Hammer's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 14:05
Hell Hammer
I'd really like to know who is responsible for Sonic Team these days, because I have a very hard time believing that the people who brought us the original Genesis-era Sonic titles are the same people who are bringing us the Sonic of the last couple gens.

You want to please the original Sonic fans?

We need a game starring a gun wielding, sword swinging, pink, female Sonic, on a motorcycle, in 3D!!!
SKSith's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 14:06
SKSith
I'm not that hard to please, Sonic 4 came close, but I felt the level design was shit. I'm hoping ep 2 does a better job.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 14:10
pedrovay2003
"Old school Sonic fans are the whiniest bitches that play video games." Fixed.

Seriously, Sonic "fans" are some of the worst gamers I've ever seen. I've been playing Sonic since the first game launched, and I've loved a ton of the more recent games.
Dr-Peace's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 14:22
Dr-Peace
SONIC ADVENTURE 3. MAKE IT LIKE 2 BUT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. SLIGHTLY DAMMIT. ADD POLISH.

Instant way to make Sonic a hit again.
fmaguy91's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 14:35
fmaguy91
Wow Jim. You're being more and more of a prick every time I come to this site. I mean it is hard to please everyone and there are younger gamers who like the current sonic. I grew up on older sonic nd prefer it the way it used to be but I see Sonic Team's struggle. I'm hoping for a good game but only time will tell. I think something about soinc's design though just makes it harder to innovate than it did for Mario hence the reason one has succeeded in modern day and one has not
kingsharkboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 14:41
kingsharkboi
old school sonic fans ARE the only sonic fans!
ScrappyDoo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 14:42
ScrappyDoo
Takashi Iizuka is a fucking idiot.

"However, we have included the older gameplay as part of Sonic’s 20th Anniversary"

No you didn't. You deliberately fucked up the physics and spin-dash to make it NOT play like the Genesis games.
Opa-Opa's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 15:36
Opa-Opa
You are finally starting to make sense about these things Jim.
Todd Cobi Griffith's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 15:39
Todd Cobi Griffith
You really suck sometimes Sterling and it's hard to please morons like you is all I'm gonna say. Cause Sonic Unleashed and Colors didn't suck. Besides the werehog...Unleashed was good. Colors was excellent. I respect your opinion but you are an ignoramus and quite biased. So yeah that's my opinion of you. XD
A Very Drunk Panda's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 15:53
A Very Drunk Panda
>Besides the werehog... Unleashed was good.
That's like half the game.
If half the game is shit it probably isn't worth playing.
AlexMorgaen's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 16:01
AlexMorgaen
I think the two worst gaming fanbases I've ever come across are the Silent Hill and Sonic fanbases. The Sonic one is a mix of anime-obsessed 13 year olds and basement dwelling furries with a soft spot for underage cartoon character porn. The Silent Hill fanbase consists of the whiniest, most arrogant, unpleasant bunch of Japanophiles you've ever seen.

I'm going to have to go hipster and seek out a game that absolutely noone on the planet has played to avoid h8rs.
GeneOB's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 16:46
GeneOB
Wait... someone one mentioned Jet Set Radio?

Mah nig!
Metal Mark's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2011 17:21
Metal Mark
Todd, do you like fun video games?

Colors and Unleashed were dull as hell, while I think unleashed is worse than 06 and while colors is better than 06, it was still a dullfest in fact, All three are terribly dull games, calling them awesome is just utter bullshit, because I don't play sonic games for poor turttleish platforming, I play sonic games to get a sense of an enjoyable rush and speed from the title, all three titles have failed to supply said fun rushed pace and just overall fun

I'm going to just ignore Generations unless the console version gets ported over to the vita because it can be a good handheld title but it's not something I'd spend 60.00 on a console version, because the hedgehog engine games and sonic 06 were the worst in the series.
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