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Other than the sometimes wonky homing attack, I had no problem with it and enjoyed my purchase. Wait no, they also called Robotnik by his bastard name. FUCK SONIC 4!
The game probably wouldve been a bigger success had they not tried to fix what was not broken.
Just saying, ya know?
Just saying, ya know?
Eh, the jump felt a bit off to me, kept fucking up that bit with the cards in Casino Street Act 2 because Sonic came to a dead stop when letting go of the stick.
That took a little getting used to, but the physics were nowhere near as bad as people made out.
However, that uncurling when leaving the ground while rolling? Total bullshit. The amount of times I spindashed off a ledge expecting to GAIN momentum? Terrible.
That took a little getting used to, but the physics were nowhere near as bad as people made out.
However, that uncurling when leaving the ground while rolling? Total bullshit. The amount of times I spindashed off a ledge expecting to GAIN momentum? Terrible.
Oh, Sterling, do I love your generalizations of people.
"I AM A FAN OF SONIC, BUT I DISLIKE SONIC 4'S PHYSICS, THEREFORE I AM A VIRGIN..."
AND, if you read all the way through this article, you get a nice little finishing touch to the previous wonderful generalization:
"...OH AND I AM A FURRY TOO."
Ho-ho, Sterling, what humor you do have.
"I AM A FAN OF SONIC, BUT I DISLIKE SONIC 4'S PHYSICS, THEREFORE I AM A VIRGIN..."
AND, if you read all the way through this article, you get a nice little finishing touch to the previous wonderful generalization:
"...OH AND I AM A FURRY TOO."
Ho-ho, Sterling, what humor you do have.
@Ultigonio
FACT: You have just confirmed yourself as a furry virgin in the eyes of the Lord Jim.
Sonic 4 seemed alright to me, the most notorious thing about it was the 1200 point price mark. I mean, owch Sega!
It isn't Sonic 2 no. But what is? New Super Mario Bros doesn't touch Super Mario Bros 3, but that doesn't get blammed for being different. (4 player single screen co-op... really?)
FACT: You have just confirmed yourself as a furry virgin in the eyes of the Lord Jim.
Sonic 4 seemed alright to me, the most notorious thing about it was the 1200 point price mark. I mean, owch Sega!
It isn't Sonic 2 no. But what is? New Super Mario Bros doesn't touch Super Mario Bros 3, but that doesn't get blammed for being different. (4 player single screen co-op... really?)
Sonic Colors cures cancer, however.
And creates $2 million research and development into mediocre cakes.
And creates $2 million research and development into mediocre cakes.
Eh, I don't really buy the "it doesn't have the same physics as Sonic 2 because it isn't Sonic 2" defense. I'm not furious, and I DID enjoy Sonic 4 to an extent. Still, what I, along with most Sonic fans, was looking for was a new game, with new graphics, new environments, but with the same classic gameplay. Instead, we got a rehash of Sonic 1 with different physics, and gameplay. Instead of feeling smooth and fast, Sonic felt slow and clunky, in Sonic 4.
Imagine if in Gears of War 3, they greatly altered the way that the characters felt when they roadie run. What if they, rather than feeling heavy and bulky, felt like quick and nimble parkour athletes. Or if in a theoretical Halo 4, the guns controlled like the guns in Killzone 2. It wouldn't fly with the fans. That's the problem--Sonic 4 was touted as, FINALLY, the continuation of the original games. Instead, we got a game with a significantly different feel, which could have potentially stood on its own feet as a new game, had it NOT been touted as a continuation to the old games.
Imagine if in Gears of War 3, they greatly altered the way that the characters felt when they roadie run. What if they, rather than feeling heavy and bulky, felt like quick and nimble parkour athletes. Or if in a theoretical Halo 4, the guns controlled like the guns in Killzone 2. It wouldn't fly with the fans. That's the problem--Sonic 4 was touted as, FINALLY, the continuation of the original games. Instead, we got a game with a significantly different feel, which could have potentially stood on its own feet as a new game, had it NOT been touted as a continuation to the old games.
@the hoytman
To be fair Epic changed the way the shotgun worked between gears 1 and gears 2. After nearly 2 years of complaining on the forums they have changed it to feel more like the shotgun of old.
Epic also changed the speed of the roadie run so it was actually faster to roll thorugh the air than run. Pretty stupid, yeah?
The rapid intensity with which the forum numbers lobbied for change was immense. This isn't reported because it's not sonic.
To be fair Epic changed the way the shotgun worked between gears 1 and gears 2. After nearly 2 years of complaining on the forums they have changed it to feel more like the shotgun of old.
Epic also changed the speed of the roadie run so it was actually faster to roll thorugh the air than run. Pretty stupid, yeah?
The rapid intensity with which the forum numbers lobbied for change was immense. This isn't reported because it's not sonic.
Remember when games were *gasp* fun, and no one cared about physics or graphics?
Yeah, I wish we could go back to the late 80's and early 90's.
Yeah, I wish we could go back to the late 80's and early 90's.
I actually am not even an Xbox gamer, only really played the second Gears so I picked kind of a bad example. I think you're agreeing with me here, though...
@ the hoytman
Yeah I agree with you, my post is was to show that these kind of fans are not exclusive to sonic forums AND that game makers do change fundamental aspects of their games.
Double whammy.
Yeah I agree with you, my post is was to show that these kind of fans are not exclusive to sonic forums AND that game makers do change fundamental aspects of their games.
Double whammy.
If you are getting this uproar over a sonic game, KILL YOURSELF. No grown adult should! NONE! Don't care how much you justify it, play if you don't like it move on.. TO go on rants about physics and such just makes you a SOnic Snob, which is as loser as you can get..
@Nykthras Game are still fun...But only in short burst...Like I was playing black op online then I was like MAN THIS IS FUN...then by level 40...I was like...damn...Nintendo makes pretty fun games but they are far and few between...too....far...BUt Back To Sonic Sonic was never really about JUST speed it's about Platforming and Good controls and physics Sure running down a hill at full speed is awesome...but...IT's not all sonic is about (in my opinion) And Maybe Sonic 4 Episode 2 Will fix some issues who knows...I Like Sonic 4...I didn't but it yet....But I Still like it :-} The Demo anyway...BUT SONIC 2 AND CD WILL ALWAYS BE THE BEST ONES there i said it And The New Sonic Colors Voice is Funny I watched all the cutscenes and I was cracking up The end :)
So they made a game designed to appeal to long time sonic fans, and then say that this game will feel different than what long time sonic fans expect.
Isn't this the exact same train of thought that got Sonic all fucked up in the first place?
Isn't this the exact same train of thought that got Sonic all fucked up in the first place?
I BLAME THE FANS! >:D You guys should have asked for a Remakes of Sonic 2 Or For The Physics To be close at least geez!
@Dj Katz
Ellipsis everywhere.
Anyway I had no problems with the game, it's a hell of a lot better than most other sonic games, the music was a tad annoying but the PS3 lets you play music over the game so no problems there.
Ellipsis everywhere.
Anyway I had no problems with the game, it's a hell of a lot better than most other sonic games, the music was a tad annoying but the PS3 lets you play music over the game so no problems there.
The physics themselves aren't too much of a problem.
The problem is the fact that it can be buggy as fuck. You should not be able to stand on a 80° incline, stood still. That's just wrong.
Was still a step forward though. '06 let you stand upside down on loops, which was hilarious.
The problem is the fact that it can be buggy as fuck. You should not be able to stand on a 80° incline, stood still. That's just wrong.
Was still a step forward though. '06 let you stand upside down on loops, which was hilarious.
The only thing that I noticed that should be fixed is how if you're jumping in any direction, you just come to a halt if you're not holding down the directional button that you're moving in.
Excuse me, but you can't be a confirmed virgin AND a furry. Furries all have wild gay sex orgies at conventions, remember?
@Nomore I know i'm too lazy for comma's and what not :D but I shall work on it anyway Here is how sonic physics should be guys :) http://www.dorkly.com/video/6376/dorkly-bits-realistic-sonic-the-hedgehog
I find it sad that anyone can care so much about a bunch of average games. Was the Genesis's game library so terrible that these kids (at the time) had to latch onto Sonic so hard that it burned irrational fanboy ridiculousness into their brains for life?
The problem wasn't the physics.
Just that the Lost Labryith and Mad Gears zones kinda suck and there's no getting around that. Feels like all the real love went into the Sonic Colors games - both of them.
Just that the Lost Labryith and Mad Gears zones kinda suck and there's no getting around that. Feels like all the real love went into the Sonic Colors games - both of them.
Why can't people be happy with what we got? The fact that they even *made* Sonic 4 shows that they listen to the fans to some degree, and that's really all we can ask for.
Disagree with Jim.
1. Rabid Sonic fans turn to sega and say 'ALL WE WANT YOU IS REMAKE SONIC 2'
2. Sega ignores them for the best part of a decade, despite other companies 3 like Capcom having great success in this area
4. Sega finally announces they're basically remaking old sonic games
5. This game actually turns out a lot different to Sonic 2
It's pretty clear-cut, I'd say. Regardless of Sonic 4's quality, the fans just wanted more levels for Sonic 2.
1. Rabid Sonic fans turn to sega and say 'ALL WE WANT YOU IS REMAKE SONIC 2'
2. Sega ignores them for the best part of a decade, despite other companies 3 like Capcom having great success in this area
4. Sega finally announces they're basically remaking old sonic games
5. This game actually turns out a lot different to Sonic 2
It's pretty clear-cut, I'd say. Regardless of Sonic 4's quality, the fans just wanted more levels for Sonic 2.
They made a game clearly influenced by it's predecessors, but thanks to elements like the homing attack and the changing of level design and physics, it still felt fresh. In other words, it's a godamned sequel.
Was Episode I perfect? No. There's still a ways to go before Sonic 4 as a whole hits classic status. But if there's still at least two episodes left, as far as I'm concerned it was a pretty damn good start.
Was Episode I perfect? No. There's still a ways to go before Sonic 4 as a whole hits classic status. But if there's still at least two episodes left, as far as I'm concerned it was a pretty damn good start.
Uh... I hated Sonic 4. YES it was because of how floaty and weird the jumps were. Also Homing attack. I recognize that I seem to be in the minority for my hate against the homing attack so I usually shut my trap and remain content that my lack of a purchase didn't really mean anything.
I do think that Sonic games should evolve over time, but I don't think homing attack, floaty jumping should have been a part of that evolution. Does this make me a crazy old furry loving sonic retro fan? No!
I hardly play these games anymore. I hardly play any games anymore.
So with that, I will say I enjoyed VVVVVV several times more than I did Sonic 4, and VVVVVV had (purposefully)shit graphics and even worse "physics".
I do think that Sonic games should evolve over time, but I don't think homing attack, floaty jumping should have been a part of that evolution. Does this make me a crazy old furry loving sonic retro fan? No!
I hardly play these games anymore. I hardly play any games anymore.
So with that, I will say I enjoyed VVVVVV several times more than I did Sonic 4, and VVVVVV had (purposefully)shit graphics and even worse "physics".
The fact that you don't conserve momentum while holding down in a spin attack is really really off-putting.
It's almost as if it's just as off-putting as mapping sidestep to the control stick in Sonic Colours.
So off-putting that I spent an entire paragraph in a review raging about it.
Do you see what I did there?
It's almost as if it's just as off-putting as mapping sidestep to the control stick in Sonic Colours.
So off-putting that I spent an entire paragraph in a review raging about it.
Do you see what I did there?
Nothing wrong with being a virgin, Jim.
The only problem I had with the game wasn't physics wise, it was just with creativity. The level designs weren't that spectacular and the music was pretty crappy. The short length was also a tiny problem, but not too much. It's just confusing when I can get nearly full length games for $10 and Sonic 4 is about an hour.
The only problem I had with the game wasn't physics wise, it was just with creativity. The level designs weren't that spectacular and the music was pretty crappy. The short length was also a tiny problem, but not too much. It's just confusing when I can get nearly full length games for $10 and Sonic 4 is about an hour.
*shrugs* Sonic 4 just feels cheap. It looks and plays like it was made on a shoe-string budget, rushed out to cash-in on what was left of the hype it had built up pre-youtube-scandal. I don't mind different physics in my Sonic games, I thoroughly enjoyed such criticized titles as Sonic Blast and Sonic Labyrinth, and the controversial Sonic Rush.
I guess most would say I've no right to critique a game I've only played the trail of, but forgive me if I put down the controller after failing to be amused by act one. It felt and looked rushed. The reason I would tell you to take a look at any of the older games wouldn't be for just the physics, but just...everything.
The originals were polished to perfection (yes, I know, they had their glitches...show me a game that doesn't :P) because they were made to compete with against the-then God of gaming: Nintendo. There's nothing that they feel they need to compete against, no pressure to release the perfect game. It's just make-a-quick-buck time.
I may pick up the hard copy once it drops to $10-$15, until then I've plenty of other games to keep me company.
I guess most would say I've no right to critique a game I've only played the trail of, but forgive me if I put down the controller after failing to be amused by act one. It felt and looked rushed. The reason I would tell you to take a look at any of the older games wouldn't be for just the physics, but just...everything.
The originals were polished to perfection (yes, I know, they had their glitches...show me a game that doesn't :P) because they were made to compete with against the-then God of gaming: Nintendo. There's nothing that they feel they need to compete against, no pressure to release the perfect game. It's just make-a-quick-buck time.
I may pick up the hard copy once it drops to $10-$15, until then I've plenty of other games to keep me company.
@Trygle12
This^
VVVVVV had better platforming and better music than sonic 4.
I played sonic 4 up till the final boss and honestly it just didn't play like a sonic game.
Played like a platformer more closer to mario.
This^
VVVVVV had better platforming and better music than sonic 4.
I played sonic 4 up till the final boss and honestly it just didn't play like a sonic game.
Played like a platformer more closer to mario.
I think I was more disappointed in the music than anything else. All of the original sonic games had amazing music. The music in Sonic 4 sounds like shit.
THANK YOU.
Sonic 4 is not Sonic 2. The guy who made that video actually comparing the physics, saying Sonic 4 was "supposed to" be like Sonic 2, was the pinnacle of stupidity.
They're different games, you stupid fucks.
Sonic 4 is not Sonic 2. The guy who made that video actually comparing the physics, saying Sonic 4 was "supposed to" be like Sonic 2, was the pinnacle of stupidity.
They're different games, you stupid fucks.
Sonic 4's problem was just simply momentum.It's not like it completely ruined the game, but it made it a different experience, and not what I wanted. If not enjoying that my new Mario Kart game controls like Gran Turismo (or vice versa) makes me a 'rage-fueled virgin', so be it. Also, is one of those 'new actions' Iizuka mentioned Sonic's newfound ability to roll into a ball on an incline and not roll down it? 'Cuz I'm pretty sure that most developers worth their salt understand that when a round object meets an incline, it rolls.
If they're different games, why is it that Sonic 4 tries so hard to emulate the crappy levels from Sonic 1? See, the developers knew that we wanted to carry over some elements of gameplay from the games that 4 was supposedly a sequel to--but rather than giving us the excellent gameplay (which was, in my opinion, perfect in Sonic 3 & Knuckles) or the cool levels (again, excellent in Sonic 3 & Knuckles for the most part) or even NEW levels, they gave us the old shitty ones with new shitty physics.
@pedro
I think he was more comparing how Sonic 4's physics don't compare to the previous three Sonic games in general, not specifically Sonic 2, since the first three Sonic games are fairly consistent in my opinion. I think Sonic 2 is just used as the comparison point since it's the best game in the series, kind of like how all 2D Mario games are compared to Super Mario Bros. 3.
I think he was more comparing how Sonic 4's physics don't compare to the previous three Sonic games in general, not specifically Sonic 2, since the first three Sonic games are fairly consistent in my opinion. I think Sonic 2 is just used as the comparison point since it's the best game in the series, kind of like how all 2D Mario games are compared to Super Mario Bros. 3.
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