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What color are Sonic's eyes?? Will he talk? Will he not talk? Will Shadow, Knuckles, Amy or Cream be playable? Does he still have the homing attack?? Why does he have a homing attack?? What's for breakfast? Does Sonic have his finger waving at the beginning of the game?!?!
Bullshit. I've seen the way the physics work in Episode 2 and they didn't change them from Episode 1 at all.
I like the keywords, "based on". Pretty safe haven when people will bitch that it's not EXACTLY RIGHT and Sonic jumps a few pixels too high or something.
OH MY GAWD I WAS JUST STARTING TO LIKE THE SHITTY PHYSICS OF EPISODE 1 AND NOW THEY'RE CHANGING IT AGAIN??? SONIC TEAM=F*CKUPS
I AM FAN AND SEGA Y U NO MAEK MY OC IN SAWNIK SHE SO EDGY & CAN GO SUPAH SAWNIK SHE IN LUV WIT SHADOH I HAET YOU.
Lol at episodic content being the future.
No one has been able to pull it off but telltale.
So many devs have tried episodic and just give up. So much for cheaper dev cost and quicker turn around for the next part.
No one has been able to pull it off but telltale.
So many devs have tried episodic and just give up. So much for cheaper dev cost and quicker turn around for the next part.
I haven't heard anyone complain about Sonic's physics in a long time, but that doesn't stop the unfunny snark/moron level sarcasm crowd from crawling out of the woodwork. Which is more annoying? A crying baby, or the adult mock crying back into the baby's face, then laughing about the sick burn and high-fiving his buds?
It's ass enough that every Sonic story needs the requisite "hey remember how bitchy people were" element, but at least Jim is a funny guy.
It's ass enough that every Sonic story needs the requisite "hey remember how bitchy people were" element, but at least Jim is a funny guy.
I'll believe it when I see it. That being said, I think they 99% nailed it on Generations, so I have faith.
Being a classic Sonic fan, if you try to put out a 2d Sonic game that plays wrong, you are setting yourself up for failure. Nothing wrong with adding game mechanics, just don't fuck around with the basics like spin attacking and the general physics the already established 20 years ago.
Being a classic Sonic fan, if you try to put out a 2d Sonic game that plays wrong, you are setting yourself up for failure. Nothing wrong with adding game mechanics, just don't fuck around with the basics like spin attacking and the general physics the already established 20 years ago.
@Perfidious Sinn you seen a couple trailer and automatically assume bullshit? Anyway, Sonic 4 is not even a bad game. The physics don't hamper you in anyway. People complain about the dumbest shit with Sonic. Its sad as hell. Even if it plays like Sonic 2, that will be a new complaint. These clowns on the internet are driving Sonics name further into the ground with every dumb thing they criticize. If you even pay attention to the shade of blue Sonic is or the size of his spikes, go get fuckin laid immediately.
I'm not one of the original bitchers, but I can certainly see where they're coming from.
Honestly, after watching those "Sonic 4 physics" videos, I'd have to say that at the very least it would be incredibly annoying to not have any of the realistic momentum "features" that the originals had over 20 YEARS AGO.
This might not matter in other game series, but Sonic was pretty much always about speed and momentum. Removing half of the equation does not a good game make.
Honestly, after watching those "Sonic 4 physics" videos, I'd have to say that at the very least it would be incredibly annoying to not have any of the realistic momentum "features" that the originals had over 20 YEARS AGO.
This might not matter in other game series, but Sonic was pretty much always about speed and momentum. Removing half of the equation does not a good game make.
@FPS Baby Jesus
Yes, I've seen all of the gameplay released so far and Sonic is still running up sheer walls, losing forward momentum in midair if you're not holding left/right, and inexplicably losing speed when rolling downhill.
If they've changed the physics from Sonic 4 they've done a fantastic job of hiding it so far.
Yes, I've seen all of the gameplay released so far and Sonic is still running up sheer walls, losing forward momentum in midair if you're not holding left/right, and inexplicably losing speed when rolling downhill.
If they've changed the physics from Sonic 4 they've done a fantastic job of hiding it so far.
I'm betting the house on Episode 2 being terrible, and people roundly saying it's worse than Episode 1. They will blame it on Sonic's leg's length, but it'll really be because a bunch of idiots forced Sega to make poor design choices.
@Perfidious Sinn Maybe you seen some trailers I didn't. Plus is there somebody on Youtube with something other than the official trailer?. How would you know if they are holding left or right?
@Jawmuncher
it seems telltale has a grasp on episodic content(especially Sam & Max series)
i hope they release a disc version with all the episodes on it.
it seems telltale has a grasp on episodic content(especially Sam & Max series)
i hope they release a disc version with all the episodes on it.
@DinnertimeNinja the funny thing is the physics don't ultimately ruin the game, ppl just had to complain about something. Sonic is just as fast in Sonic 4. Honestly, he might be faster in 4 considering the Genesis games had more hazards and stuff you needed to avoid. If the physics stopped you from being able to enjoy the game, that would be one thing, but they don't hinder the game in anyway. The biggest complaint for me was the actual length of the game. It was short as hell. The final boss was a bit tedious. Sonic 4 is still a good game.
I still don't get why Jim loved Sonic 4 Ep.1 and didn't liked Colors.
Foe me Colors was pretty fun an episode 1 was pretty "meh"
Foe me Colors was pretty fun an episode 1 was pretty "meh"
Sonic's physics are fixed in so far as he has some momentum and what not. The game won't play like Genesis Sonic but more like Sonic Generations 3DS Classic Sonic.
The problem is the level design. It was fixed slightly but not enough. Homing attack chains, spring chains and boosters are useless and should not be included ever.
The problem is the level design. It was fixed slightly but not enough. Homing attack chains, spring chains and boosters are useless and should not be included ever.
Sonic games are only sonic games if they are exactly like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rHGj_l2iVY
I hear more people complaining about the Sonic fanbase, than the Sonic fanbase complaining. How many people really really complained about green eyes. Was it a large chunk of people or just some forum posts. Also complaining about the physics in Sonic episode 1 was valid, they sucked even if they were based off the first game. General complaining about past Sonic games were legitamte cause most of those games weren't good. Sonic Colors was fun, aside from those platforming sections that broke up the speed.
Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode 2 is starting to look like the Final Fantasy XIII-2 for Sega's floundering mascot. If they are FINALLY listening to fan feedback for this one, maybe Sonic can finally start climbing out of the hole Sega has dug him in.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA. Fixed my ass.
Jim the whole entire point of "the physics are crap" outcry was not simply because it was different, it was because the entire design of the game was counterintuitive to Sonic's gameplay, especially in a titled called Sonic 4. Sonic CD had a bit different physics and that was not blasted to pieces because they weren't junk. In Sonic 4, Sonic controlled like molasses. Letting go of a direct controller to focus on directional input while using the previously built up momentum on a ramp or spring was integral to classic play. In Sonic 4, you just instantly drop out of the air, springs would take away directional control and Sonic couldn't build up speed without hitting a speedbooster. Rolling, the main method of which Sonic can accelerate quickly going down slopes, actually SLOWED HIM DOWN which would kill or let obstacles outrun him. Friction was so screwed up that Sonic could literally walk up entire slopes but not roll up them at faster speeds. The one meaningful addition to Sonic's moveset, the homing attack, halted momentum when used and was only used as a mash A button to get over chasms. Combined with a terrible art direction, shoddy animations, and a soundtrack that sounds like dying cat samples, Sonic 4 completely missed the mark.
As for Episode 2 fixing things? Bullshit. Things like the drop dead momentum and uncurling were fixed. They also made it pretty, which is nice. Rolling and downhill acceleration are still junk. There is still a ton to bitch about. For one, the game doesn't make use of the "improvement" to the physics. There are boost pads, springs, enemy chasms, bottomless pits, and automation everywhere in the acts shown off so far. So even if the physics were perfect the game wasn't designed around using them, which really was the whole point of "fix the goddamn physics" in the first place. Tails isn't playable and is instead a partner gimmick for the entire game despite how they hyped up his appearance. The tag moves, which are actually smart and meaningful gameplay additions, remain unbalanced in the gameplay since the Super 69 roll can be used freely as a Sonic Rush boost button.
It's funny because these are the same people who made Sonic Advance, which had none of these problems.
Jim the whole entire point of "the physics are crap" outcry was not simply because it was different, it was because the entire design of the game was counterintuitive to Sonic's gameplay, especially in a titled called Sonic 4. Sonic CD had a bit different physics and that was not blasted to pieces because they weren't junk. In Sonic 4, Sonic controlled like molasses. Letting go of a direct controller to focus on directional input while using the previously built up momentum on a ramp or spring was integral to classic play. In Sonic 4, you just instantly drop out of the air, springs would take away directional control and Sonic couldn't build up speed without hitting a speedbooster. Rolling, the main method of which Sonic can accelerate quickly going down slopes, actually SLOWED HIM DOWN which would kill or let obstacles outrun him. Friction was so screwed up that Sonic could literally walk up entire slopes but not roll up them at faster speeds. The one meaningful addition to Sonic's moveset, the homing attack, halted momentum when used and was only used as a mash A button to get over chasms. Combined with a terrible art direction, shoddy animations, and a soundtrack that sounds like dying cat samples, Sonic 4 completely missed the mark.
As for Episode 2 fixing things? Bullshit. Things like the drop dead momentum and uncurling were fixed. They also made it pretty, which is nice. Rolling and downhill acceleration are still junk. There is still a ton to bitch about. For one, the game doesn't make use of the "improvement" to the physics. There are boost pads, springs, enemy chasms, bottomless pits, and automation everywhere in the acts shown off so far. So even if the physics were perfect the game wasn't designed around using them, which really was the whole point of "fix the goddamn physics" in the first place. Tails isn't playable and is instead a partner gimmick for the entire game despite how they hyped up his appearance. The tag moves, which are actually smart and meaningful gameplay additions, remain unbalanced in the gameplay since the Super 69 roll can be used freely as a Sonic Rush boost button.
It's funny because these are the same people who made Sonic Advance, which had none of these problems.
I think that Dr.Robotnik's ship is to small for the amount of body mass he has. Lets make it bigger!
Jesus Christ, Jim, you're a real prick sometimes.
"WAAHHHHH THEY DIDN'T LIKE SONIC 4 WHAT A BUNCH OF BABIES"
GAME JOURNALISM!
"WAAHHHHH THEY DIDN'T LIKE SONIC 4 WHAT A BUNCH OF BABIES"
GAME JOURNALISM!
Still against the physics argument, Jim? It's arguably the biggest component of any platformer based on speed. For it to be wonky and unnatural would be considered a dealbreaker. It was my major gripe with Sonic 4. Stopped it from being a pretty great game, I thought.
People who bitched about the physics in Sonic 4 need to find a new hobby. USE THE D-PAD. Problem solved.
After having played a build at GDC last week, I can tell you from my first impressions that this DOES play closer to the original Genesis games. It's not exactly Sonic 2, but it's definitely close.
Five minutes into it and I was already having more fun than the entirety spent with the previous Episode. The ability to call in Tails to help you fly is a great addition, too!
Five minutes into it and I was already having more fun than the entirety spent with the previous Episode. The ability to call in Tails to help you fly is a great addition, too!
@pedrovay2003 I agree. I will never understand the whole physics bitching. If the physics were perfect ppl would just bitch about something else. Even if they are identical to the genesis games, you'll have some dickhead saying they suck just to say it.
It's probably for the best. The controls in Sonic 4 weren't bad or anything, but it's not like changing them really improved anything. It just made things less familiar without any real benefits.
What really held back Sonic 4 was that the levels all felt kinda bland. I don't recall anything about them other than one level that had rolling boulders and torches, which was the only real time I was interested in what was going on.
What really held back Sonic 4 was that the levels all felt kinda bland. I don't recall anything about them other than one level that had rolling boulders and torches, which was the only real time I was interested in what was going on.
Generations felt similar but different to the Mega Drive games. If that's the direction it goes in, sexy.
Videos already confirmed that the physics, rolling, and level design are all still garbage, and it still plays nothing like the games it's suppose to be a sequel to.
By the way:
http://www.tssznews.com/2012/03/12/balough-speaks-on-tailss-limit-to-co-op-in-s4e2/
The physics look floaty as fuck, and rolling still appears to have some kind of retarded speed cap on it.
By the way:
http://www.tssznews.com/2012/03/12/balough-speaks-on-tailss-limit-to-co-op-in-s4e2/
The physics look floaty as fuck, and rolling still appears to have some kind of retarded speed cap on it.
Don't worry, Jim. They're still bitching about the physics.
Fanbase is too stupid to even know what they want anymore outside of mostly poorly made romhacks revolving around Sonic 1, which are PRAISED for adding a homing attack.
You know. The thing they complained about Sonic 4 adding. (shrugs)
Fanbase is too stupid to even know what they want anymore outside of mostly poorly made romhacks revolving around Sonic 1, which are PRAISED for adding a homing attack.
You know. The thing they complained about Sonic 4 adding. (shrugs)
@burningsoup
Take your favorite game series. Now make a sequel. Have everything in that new game get everything wrong and drop everything that made the original good. Then after giving you half a game, the game PR tells you that fixed everything and it's all good in the second half, only they didn't and its the same old shit.
That's Sonic 4. I expect HUGE things when the game is called Sonic fucking Four. If it was Sonic DL or Sonic Arcade I wouldn't bat an eye and just laugh at how they still don't have any idea what they are doing. But this is the sequel to the Sonic 3&K, and its doing an awful job at it with the backwards design and regression.
@GeneOB
Do you even know why people hate the homing attack? It's not just because it exists, it's the way it's implemented. Sonic Megamix, which I assume is the fan game that you are referencing, uses time homing attacks smartly and as a way to rocket Sonic around and safely attack spiked enemies. In Sonic 4, it's implemented poorly. It's main use is to make some platforming into easy mode, crossing enemy chains across death chasms (a really terrible level design trope that won't die, it literally exists in every modern Sonic game), and its momentum halting "bounce" afterward that's counterintuitive for maintaining speed and flow of a Sonic game. If it behaved more like the bounce Sonic gets in Colors/Generations where he hits a balloon and keeps moving forward, rather than halting in place, it would feel a lot more natural.
Take your favorite game series. Now make a sequel. Have everything in that new game get everything wrong and drop everything that made the original good. Then after giving you half a game, the game PR tells you that fixed everything and it's all good in the second half, only they didn't and its the same old shit.
That's Sonic 4. I expect HUGE things when the game is called Sonic fucking Four. If it was Sonic DL or Sonic Arcade I wouldn't bat an eye and just laugh at how they still don't have any idea what they are doing. But this is the sequel to the Sonic 3&K, and its doing an awful job at it with the backwards design and regression.
@GeneOB
Do you even know why people hate the homing attack? It's not just because it exists, it's the way it's implemented. Sonic Megamix, which I assume is the fan game that you are referencing, uses time homing attacks smartly and as a way to rocket Sonic around and safely attack spiked enemies. In Sonic 4, it's implemented poorly. It's main use is to make some platforming into easy mode, crossing enemy chains across death chasms (a really terrible level design trope that won't die, it literally exists in every modern Sonic game), and its momentum halting "bounce" afterward that's counterintuitive for maintaining speed and flow of a Sonic game. If it behaved more like the bounce Sonic gets in Colors/Generations where he hits a balloon and keeps moving forward, rather than halting in place, it would feel a lot more natural.
When Sonic can go from standing perfectly still to literally walking up a vertical wall, there is a problem Jim. The physics were shitty, whether comparing them to the original games or not, and painting the fans as overly whiny does nothing but reveal that you forgo writing well-written articles in favor of sensationalist bullshit.
The sad thing is, much of the user base of this site won't dare to call you out for it.
The sad thing is, much of the user base of this site won't dare to call you out for it.
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