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We really have (if not before) begun an era where the customers are the playtesters.
Is it really cheaper this way (because patches DO cost money), or is it just outright laziness?
Also, header image needs a "DERP" caption badly.
Is it really cheaper this way (because patches DO cost money), or is it just outright laziness?
Also, header image needs a "DERP" caption badly.
Really wish people would stop pre-ordering. That would stop them from pulling this crap once they realise consumers don't trust them at all.
It was rare I pre-ordered at all, but I'm probably going to never do it again after the last experience.
Luckily I got a refund on that one, but it doesn't matter how amazing something looks, if it's rushed, smooth gameplay or content will suffer.
Luckily I got a refund on that one, but it doesn't matter how amazing something looks, if it's rushed, smooth gameplay or content will suffer.
After megaman legends got canned, I stopped buying anything from capcom, and by god I'm sticking to it.
given the last few cases of unfinished or tons of on-disc dlc, I'm glad I've stayed with my principles.
given the last few cases of unfinished or tons of on-disc dlc, I'm glad I've stayed with my principles.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/resident-evil-operation-raccoon-city/critic-reviews - For once, Jim Sterling is (tied for) the most positive reviewer of a game.
Ouch. Capcom. What the fuck man?
Ouch. Capcom. What the fuck man?
Joystiq, Gamespot, and IGN, probably by three main console review sources after Dtoid, -all- gave it a score in the 40's. Fuck.
@Hasney
There was a time where pre-ordering was the only way to guarantee you would get a game in the time frame between release and 6 months later, in in some rarer cases you just HAD to if you wanted to play the game at all for some niche genres.
But today, with most games dropping in price by 30% within the first 3 months? With "Game of the Year" editions 6 to 12 months later?
The only incentives for pre-ordering were the DLC bonuses and publishers managed to ruin that, too.
There was a time where pre-ordering was the only way to guarantee you would get a game in the time frame between release and 6 months later, in in some rarer cases you just HAD to if you wanted to play the game at all for some niche genres.
But today, with most games dropping in price by 30% within the first 3 months? With "Game of the Year" editions 6 to 12 months later?
The only incentives for pre-ordering were the DLC bonuses and publishers managed to ruin that, too.
I-redboxed-ORC,played-through-the-1st-level-and-had-enough.im-FAR-from-a-picky-gamer,but-this-game-is-just-poo.bland-is-an-understatement
I hope someone, somewhere does a re-review once the game has been patched.
I no longer buy games when they debut--partially for reasons like this, in which the consumer is conscripted into QA service, and partially because I can guarantee that a new copy of this game will be available for $40 or less in the next two months.
Case in point--Mass Effect 3, SSX, and Uncharted: Golden Abyss--all sub-$40 within the last two weeks.
I no longer buy games when they debut--partially for reasons like this, in which the consumer is conscripted into QA service, and partially because I can guarantee that a new copy of this game will be available for $40 or less in the next two months.
Case in point--Mass Effect 3, SSX, and Uncharted: Golden Abyss--all sub-$40 within the last two weeks.
@el conrado
I remember the days of awesome preorder goodies... (hello, onii squeeze toy!)
Of course, that's if you were lucky enough to have the gamestop employees not steal/give away all the crap guaranteed by your preorder...(I never did get that scribblenauts hat..-.-;)
I remember the days of awesome preorder goodies... (hello, onii squeeze toy!)
Of course, that's if you were lucky enough to have the gamestop employees not steal/give away all the crap guaranteed by your preorder...(I never did get that scribblenauts hat..-.-;)
"I can guarantee that a new copy of this game will be available for $40 or less in the next two months.
Case in point--Mass Effect 3, SSX, and Uncharted: Golden Abyss--all sub-$40 within the last two weeks."
But but but games are only cheap is you buy them used! Games never ever go on sale otherwise!
/sarcastic, unrelated comment
Sorry, it's just that.. after the used game comment section, I get so angry. It's like people take out their brains and forget all non-60 dollar new game memories the moment they're talking about used games. I literally had 10 or so people tell me that they could never afford to game if they didn't buy used. I mean, seriously people? CheapAssGamer.com. There. You'll spend less than on used, and it'll actually go to the fucking people who made the game.
Case in point--Mass Effect 3, SSX, and Uncharted: Golden Abyss--all sub-$40 within the last two weeks."
But but but games are only cheap is you buy them used! Games never ever go on sale otherwise!
/sarcastic, unrelated comment
Sorry, it's just that.. after the used game comment section, I get so angry. It's like people take out their brains and forget all non-60 dollar new game memories the moment they're talking about used games. I literally had 10 or so people tell me that they could never afford to game if they didn't buy used. I mean, seriously people? CheapAssGamer.com. There. You'll spend less than on used, and it'll actually go to the fucking people who made the game.
@ killias2 "I mean, seriously people? CheapAssGamer.com. There. You'll spend less than on used, and it'll actually go to the fucking people who made the game."
If you have a twitter account, I highly recommend following @videogame_deals. CheapAssGamer is very good, but unless you constantly scour the CAG forums, VG deals is far superior.
If you have a twitter account, I highly recommend following @videogame_deals. CheapAssGamer is very good, but unless you constantly scour the CAG forums, VG deals is far superior.
Hahaha killias, keep on keeping on. Someday you might actually have facts to back any of the things you say and you'll be allowed to sit at the big boy table. //
But yeah, reason #652 games have gotten more expensive to make: allocating pre-launch funds to DLC when you've no idea whether the situation will be DLC friendly once the game has dropped.
But yeah, reason #652 games have gotten more expensive to make: allocating pre-launch funds to DLC when you've no idea whether the situation will be DLC friendly once the game has dropped.
"If you have a twitter account, I highly recommend following @videogame_deals. CheapAssGamer is very good, but unless you constantly scour the CAG forums, VG deals is far superior."
Thx for the heads up. I'll give it a follow. It just flabbergasts me that people still think it's either '60 or used' (or, at the least, claim to think so during debates about the topic). The -only- games I buy at 60 are games I've preordered. Even then, 60 is more the exception than the norm. Amazon preorders typically are at least a little cheaper than 60 and often come with free credit or other cool bonuses.
Thx for the heads up. I'll give it a follow. It just flabbergasts me that people still think it's either '60 or used' (or, at the least, claim to think so during debates about the topic). The -only- games I buy at 60 are games I've preordered. Even then, 60 is more the exception than the norm. Amazon preorders typically are at least a little cheaper than 60 and often come with free credit or other cool bonuses.
@killias2
Yeah, I hate to sound like the "back in my day" guy, but there was a time where buying used had a tangible benefit.
Today, not so much. I guess the only real "benefit" is the existence of store credit, but other than that, you can save between $10-30 if you just wait a couple of weeks.
Don't you people have back logs? Mine is in the vicinity of 20 games now, an that doesn't include the games I didn't buy but wanted to.
Yeah, I hate to sound like the "back in my day" guy, but there was a time where buying used had a tangible benefit.
Today, not so much. I guess the only real "benefit" is the existence of store credit, but other than that, you can save between $10-30 if you just wait a couple of weeks.
Don't you people have back logs? Mine is in the vicinity of 20 games now, an that doesn't include the games I didn't buy but wanted to.
"Don't you people have back logs? Mine is in the vicinity of 20 games now, an that doesn't include the games I didn't buy but wanted to."
I swear to God, my backlog is near infinite. Steam.. holy Jesus... just Steam by itself....
"Yeah, I hate to sound like the "back in my day" guy, but there was a time where buying used had a tangible benefit. "
Oh yes, I remember those days well. Honestly, there are still plenty of sectors of the used market that have -some- value. Old games, in particular, are still a cool thing to find used. Occasionally, at a smaller store, you'll find a good deal on a newer game. By and large, however, game sales have completely overtaken used game prices, especially at places like Gamestop. For example, Saints Row 3 was recently 10 dollars (!!!) on sale at TRU. The used version is still 48 at Gamestop.
I swear to God, my backlog is near infinite. Steam.. holy Jesus... just Steam by itself....
"Yeah, I hate to sound like the "back in my day" guy, but there was a time where buying used had a tangible benefit. "
Oh yes, I remember those days well. Honestly, there are still plenty of sectors of the used market that have -some- value. Old games, in particular, are still a cool thing to find used. Occasionally, at a smaller store, you'll find a good deal on a newer game. By and large, however, game sales have completely overtaken used game prices, especially at places like Gamestop. For example, Saints Row 3 was recently 10 dollars (!!!) on sale at TRU. The used version is still 48 at Gamestop.
@ killias2
It's just people being lazy consumers. Deals are always out there if people just search for them or have a little patience. For instance, you can pre-order Lollipop Chainsaw from Toys R Us right now for $44.99. That's a quarter of the price off, right off the bat, before the game has even come out. I love what Grasshopper Manufacture stands for as a company, so I'm glad that I can get a decent deal on their product AND support them with my money.
I just wish more people felt the same way, then maybe we wouldn't get this influx of games with great single-player potential diverting time and resources to tack on half-baked multiplayer so that the company can justify an online pass where it shouldn't even exist.
It's just people being lazy consumers. Deals are always out there if people just search for them or have a little patience. For instance, you can pre-order Lollipop Chainsaw from Toys R Us right now for $44.99. That's a quarter of the price off, right off the bat, before the game has even come out. I love what Grasshopper Manufacture stands for as a company, so I'm glad that I can get a decent deal on their product AND support them with my money.
I just wish more people felt the same way, then maybe we wouldn't get this influx of games with great single-player potential diverting time and resources to tack on half-baked multiplayer so that the company can justify an online pass where it shouldn't even exist.
I worked in the industry as QA for quite some time, and I'm completely in shock by what I'm seeing here. Capcom is literally asking paying customers to do the job of paid QA testers? How did this game get out? How much money did Capcom throw at certifications to get this game passed? if people are having that many issues right off the back, then it should of been delayed, I mean who wouldn't be okay with a game getting delayed so you know you have a fully tested and working product? I'm seeing more and more publishers getting away with issues in their games that would of otherwise made them unshippable, yet nobody calls them out on it? I would at least expect Capcom to have some of these issues already locked down and in their database so they could answer customer concerns more quickly, but asking your loyal fan base to buy a full retail game, then QA it after taking it home to play, has to be one of the trashiest things I've seen a publisher do for a release!
"shadow2398
*unfinished games and on-disc dlc."
*unfinished games and disc locked content.
Fixed that for ya buddy.
*unfinished games and on-disc dlc."
*unfinished games and disc locked content.
Fixed that for ya buddy.
@timtheterrible
Damn straight. 100% agreed.
I posted more earlier, but Dtoid keeps eating my comments today.
Damn straight. 100% agreed.
I posted more earlier, but Dtoid keeps eating my comments today.
lolz @ Slant Sux. My experience with SOCOM Confrontation pretty much pointed to this happening.
Can anyone tell me...does the game at least have all the features that it advertises on the box??
Can anyone tell me...does the game at least have all the features that it advertises on the box??
I remember buying nearly broken games in previous generations and they hadn't had the ability to patch. :(
No different with Namco either, when they beta test their vanilla Tales games only to release a more premium and "complete" port on another console.
This isn't a surprise with the way Socom Confrontation ended up. The beta for it was abhorrent, literally a 10 minute load to start a single game. The game at release was riddled with bugs and was a disservice to the series. When I heard they were making a RE game I knew it would happen all over again.
"we know the flaws in the game, and we'd like to fix them"
And yet you released it and asked $60.
So glad I didn't buy it, Slant 6 only do shitty jobs. Nothing surprising, their track record is bad after all, SOCOM 3 and Confrontation...
And yet you released it and asked $60.
So glad I didn't buy it, Slant 6 only do shitty jobs. Nothing surprising, their track record is bad after all, SOCOM 3 and Confrontation...
@Chris:
I get the feeling Slant Six aren't ultimately the ones at fault here. It sounds to me like Capcom had a release date in mind and told Slant Six to hit it whatever the cost, then forced them to include day one DLC. I think it's a bit needlessly vicious to attack the developers in the first line anyway, but when the read-between-the-lines takeaway seems to be, "We wanted to fix these problems before release, and want to fix them now, but Capcom is our employer, and we are not allowed to fix the game unless you make it clear to them that it needs fixing", it feels a little disingenuous to blame them.
Basically, imagine how you'd feel now if you'd written that same article about Obsidian after KOTOR 2 came out.
I get the feeling Slant Six aren't ultimately the ones at fault here. It sounds to me like Capcom had a release date in mind and told Slant Six to hit it whatever the cost, then forced them to include day one DLC. I think it's a bit needlessly vicious to attack the developers in the first line anyway, but when the read-between-the-lines takeaway seems to be, "We wanted to fix these problems before release, and want to fix them now, but Capcom is our employer, and we are not allowed to fix the game unless you make it clear to them that it needs fixing", it feels a little disingenuous to blame them.
Basically, imagine how you'd feel now if you'd written that same article about Obsidian after KOTOR 2 came out.
Well, I saw numerous people playing this on my friends list day one, so what reason did Capcom have to release the game when it was ready instead of dropping the turd it when it financially suited them? Certain people will buy it just because it says Resident Evil on it. Same as Sonic Fans. With all the negativity surrounding it in previews, and bad reviews it got, why did people who should know better still buy it? It's fucking Pavlovian.
@Fford
Because of reasons Phatp listed, I've never been a fan of Slant Six. Also, as sad as publisher deadlines may be, depending on your track record, some people just shouldn't make games. A number of other developers are forced to rush, yet put out fine work, because they take the time to run proper QA.
Obsidian I give passes to because usually their narrative/storytelling abilities far exceed their actual developmental ability -- but it looks like not everyone shares that same mentality, given their cutbacks.
While sad, not *everyone* can make it in this business. It's the harsh reality.
Because of reasons Phatp listed, I've never been a fan of Slant Six. Also, as sad as publisher deadlines may be, depending on your track record, some people just shouldn't make games. A number of other developers are forced to rush, yet put out fine work, because they take the time to run proper QA.
Obsidian I give passes to because usually their narrative/storytelling abilities far exceed their actual developmental ability -- but it looks like not everyone shares that same mentality, given their cutbacks.
While sad, not *everyone* can make it in this business. It's the harsh reality.
Oh Capcom. Seems that company has been taken over by the corporate people who really don't care and don't give a fuck about the customer, because they don't care about the product the customer buys. They think they could stick a RE label on dog shit and the public would still buy it. Sad to see this from a developer who I used to expect good games from, now they only sell product, and product that in no way represents games with a passion towards the gamers.
I wouldnt mind if they released a buggy/flawed game at a $20, or $30 price point, I dont expect those games to be perfect. For $60 I expect a AAA flawless victory like Halo 3, Modern Warfare 2, Elder Scrolls, you know, the game that still get played a year from now, or I'll look back 5 years from now and say those were my favorite games.
Instead you get dozens of crap titles out every year and developers are surprised people pay half price for the used games that all got sold back to the store by people who pre-ordered
Instead you get dozens of crap titles out every year and developers are surprised people pay half price for the used games that all got sold back to the store by people who pre-ordered
Why is it at any point acceptable for the consumer to be a QA tester. When you buy a game it should be throughly swept for bugs. I can understand one really obscure one where you have to be headbutting a wall at just the right angle to crash through and fall to your death, and to have that only happen 5% of the time, but theres a limit.
wow just wow.
im still baffeled why this game is 60 fucking dollars in the first place.
this should be around 39.99$ at best.
such a shame that every game charging us with 60$ despite they are only a good few that are worth it.
im still baffeled why this game is 60 fucking dollars in the first place.
this should be around 39.99$ at best.
such a shame that every game charging us with 60$ despite they are only a good few that are worth it.
The whole patches being in Capcom's hands worry me, the game is incredibly fun but needs some work and Capcom gives no fuck lately.
I remember back in the day when you could pop a game in and not have any problems. Perhaps the occasional Freezing with something like a Sports game. But now? Fuck, so glad for patching. It didn't make games "better" it just made the developers lazier. Shit look at the original KOTOR on Xbox, did it get a patch to fix its problems? No, it got a DLC that broke the game further.
I'm not surprised. Developers and publishers lately think that they're owed more money for less work. I don't expect the developers of SOCOM: Constipation to know much about QA, but don't make us pay $60 just to test it for you. That's like if an auto mechanic paid you to fix your car.
I thought games had to go through certification with Microsoft and Sony before they are approved for gold master.....?
"Remember the good old days when you'd open a game, smell that new case smell, pop it in, and it would mostly be finished?"
No, really, do any of us remember that? Cause I don't think we've really had that level of polish in almost 7 years now. If anything we've actually taught ourselves to lower the bar some because theres not much possibility a game can be shipped without issues any more.
Any way, yeah, I think we've crossed a point (somewhere) where testing a game and making sure its a quality product before its shipped doesn't even manage to play second fiddle to DLC development/nickle and dimeing (Second fiddle to that would probably be the Online Pass --and those rarely seem to work right too), and then Publishers/Developers wonder why their games don't sell, or receive such bad reviews that whole studios need to be shut down for good.
My roommate is currently at Gamestop returning our unopened CE copy Raccoon City that just got here yesterday, for a copy of Metal Gear HD collection and Mass Effect 3.. I'll be either Time Pardoxing the hell out of Snake or will be Knee deep in horrible endings by this time next week.
No, really, do any of us remember that? Cause I don't think we've really had that level of polish in almost 7 years now. If anything we've actually taught ourselves to lower the bar some because theres not much possibility a game can be shipped without issues any more.
Any way, yeah, I think we've crossed a point (somewhere) where testing a game and making sure its a quality product before its shipped doesn't even manage to play second fiddle to DLC development/nickle and dimeing (Second fiddle to that would probably be the Online Pass --and those rarely seem to work right too), and then Publishers/Developers wonder why their games don't sell, or receive such bad reviews that whole studios need to be shut down for good.
My roommate is currently at Gamestop returning our unopened CE copy Raccoon City that just got here yesterday, for a copy of Metal Gear HD collection and Mass Effect 3.. I'll be either Time Pardoxing the hell out of Snake or will be Knee deep in horrible endings by this time next week.
Remember the good old days when you'd open a game, smell that new case smell, pop it in, and it would mostly be finished?
because back then you couldn't patch games outside of a PC. (for the most part). I miss my PS2 :(
because back then you couldn't patch games outside of a PC. (for the most part). I miss my PS2 :(
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