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Not exactly trustworthy, but I read some comments on this game saying that the motion controls weren't exactly perfect. Still, DAY ONE for me! Will be pre-ordering the Limited Edition with the golden Wiimote when I pick up my Uncharted 3 CE!
To answer your last question, it may be because people where incredibly annoyed with motion controls, and motionplus had yet to be proven with sports resort. Which is why Aunouma changed his mind.
Move, on the other hand, was Sony thinking they needed to play catch up, and wanted to make the most out of there "wii killing" device: a device that launched after motionplus, which proved motion controls could be awesome with sports resort.
Move, on the other hand, was Sony thinking they needed to play catch up, and wanted to make the most out of there "wii killing" device: a device that launched after motionplus, which proved motion controls could be awesome with sports resort.
While my inner purist would really like to see another 3D Zelda with gamepad controls, the series could really benefit from a change like this. I trust Nintendo, though; they don't screw up their franchises.
It probably wasn't planned for the Motion Plus because damn near nothing was. The list of titles that use the M+ is extremely small, and a good chunk of them don't even require it. It definitely helps, but button inputs still register quicker and more precisely than waggle. I think most developers decided to not design their games around a 20 dollar thingamajig that (at the time) no one bothered to buy.
Now that they're building it in, that scenario is different, since you pretty much get one now whether you want it or not. But it's too late now, since it seems most developers aside from Ninty gave up on it.
It'd be nice to see an option to play with the Classic Controller, as I'm playing Xenoblade Chronicles and the distinct lack of waggle or stupid button mappings makes the game so much more enjoyable.
Now that they're building it in, that scenario is different, since you pretty much get one now whether you want it or not. But it's too late now, since it seems most developers aside from Ninty gave up on it.
It'd be nice to see an option to play with the Classic Controller, as I'm playing Xenoblade Chronicles and the distinct lack of waggle or stupid button mappings makes the game so much more enjoyable.
So Sony shoehorned the Move to Skyward Sword... ..oh Wait!
It doesn't really change a thing since the game will be great regardless.
It doesn't really change a thing since the game will be great regardless.
Huh, I guess I can stop hoping for a Motion Plus Mario Tennis...you wouldn't believe how competitive my friends are with that franchise... unless... Wii U... and so it begins...
The link in that pic is mothafuckin gangsta.
Can we get someone to Photoshop him holding that thing sideways, then destructoid can just use it for every skyward sword article from here on out.
Can we get someone to Photoshop him holding that thing sideways, then destructoid can just use it for every skyward sword article from here on out.
Why would anyone prefer waggle, even if it's accurate within 4 or 6 directions? A controller can provide just as much precision. Twilight Princes was vastly superior with a Gamecube controller, and adding Motion Plus with its ability to do a small handful of specific swipes doesn't sound nearly as revolutionary as so many people claim.
Seriously, stabbing forward and a few directions isn't enough to justify waggle no mater how you want to spin it.
Seriously, stabbing forward and a few directions isn't enough to justify waggle no mater how you want to spin it.
I'd prefer without. The Wii setup never did it for me outside of Wii Sports. I still haven't finished the two Metroid titles because of it.
Talk about lack of reading comprehension and a case of Chinese whispers. That's not what they said at all. Liam you should read interview and correct your post, but basically;
Skyward Sword was originally intended on being a motion+ game, but they couldn't get it to work with the prototype. Even after Wii Sports Resort came out and they saw how to use the remote effectively they still had trouble with all implementing the range of motions between items seamlessly (WSR separates out the game types so this wasn't a problem for that game). There were a lot of additional problems with using motion+ as well that are mentioned in the interview.
It was then they gave up (because after several months they had made no progress even AFTER they had seen that fencing mode in WSR) and started just making it with buttons, but with pressure from their producers they conquered the motion+ instead.
So Liam, your cynicism is completely unfounded. If anything they actually ended up making a better game because they were forced to make good on their original ideas instead of copping out. From preview coverage it sounds like it worked out ok for them too, although 5 years to make a SD game is pretty extreme. I hope for Nintendo's sake they have less trouble handling HD graphics than they do their own controllers.
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wii/zelda-skyward-sword/0/0
Skyward Sword was originally intended on being a motion+ game, but they couldn't get it to work with the prototype. Even after Wii Sports Resort came out and they saw how to use the remote effectively they still had trouble with all implementing the range of motions between items seamlessly (WSR separates out the game types so this wasn't a problem for that game). There were a lot of additional problems with using motion+ as well that are mentioned in the interview.
It was then they gave up (because after several months they had made no progress even AFTER they had seen that fencing mode in WSR) and started just making it with buttons, but with pressure from their producers they conquered the motion+ instead.
So Liam, your cynicism is completely unfounded. If anything they actually ended up making a better game because they were forced to make good on their original ideas instead of copping out. From preview coverage it sounds like it worked out ok for them too, although 5 years to make a SD game is pretty extreme. I hope for Nintendo's sake they have less trouble handling HD graphics than they do their own controllers.
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wii/zelda-skyward-sword/0/0
@Oishidesu,
I played it at pax, sword-play wise the controls were spot on, I had no problems with it reading my slashes. The beetle was my only real almost non-complaint, only because it didn't quite feel tight enough, though I can get used to that.
I played it at pax, sword-play wise the controls were spot on, I had no problems with it reading my slashes. The beetle was my only real almost non-complaint, only because it didn't quite feel tight enough, though I can get used to that.
Yeah, @Manthai is right on this, Liam. You got your facts mixed up a bit, but that Eurogamer article is kind of off anyway.
Alright you bastards, i made a fucking account while i was drunk to tell you that mo matter what this zelda game was meant for, its gonna be awesome XD. yes.....thats a closed eyed smiley face. Im serious. im buying this shit. and it wont be a wii game i regrret. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Hm. Upon reading the rest of the comments I guess it's not heartbreaking since it really did always use waggle. So they never did remove any chance of me wanting to play it because it was never there.
(Don't bother jumping all over me for not liking motion controls this time, kay? Not saying they suck for everybody.)
(Don't bother jumping all over me for not liking motion controls this time, kay? Not saying they suck for everybody.)
No matter what their original intentions were... fuck waggle. I really hate that they couldn't have a control scheme that switched from waggle to normal, depending on your preferences. The motion controls is pretty much the only reason I don't care that I'll be missing out on this one.
Motion control can go ahead and die already. I had a good fun run with my Wii and all, but give me a standard controller any day and I'll be a much happier camper - hence my Wii's been collecting some dust in comparison to its PS3/360 brethren.
That said, I'm willing to give Skyward Sword the benefit of the doubt. It'll probably be the last hurrah for my machine though. Not sure if I'm going to bother anymore with Nintendo's stuff once/if that machine ever breaks down. Their further move into gimmick-land with every new piece of hardware just doesn't appeal to me at all. Plus, they still have no clue when it comes to online integration.
That said, I'm willing to give Skyward Sword the benefit of the doubt. It'll probably be the last hurrah for my machine though. Not sure if I'm going to bother anymore with Nintendo's stuff once/if that machine ever breaks down. Their further move into gimmick-land with every new piece of hardware just doesn't appeal to me at all. Plus, they still have no clue when it comes to online integration.
Nintendo, a part from Wii Sports, never supported their own motion control. It really is sad that such a resource was wasted by such a stupid company.
@doomknight66
Ow, my eyes! What is that thing? Where did it come from? Is that Jim Sterling and Girahim flapping their tongues at each other!?
Ow, my eyes! What is that thing? Where did it come from? Is that Jim Sterling and Girahim flapping their tongues at each other!?
I finally bought a Wii last week just so i could play SS but I'm just afraid this is going to end up being a clusterfuck with motion control only. I actually avoided buying one all this time because i don't buy into the gimmick of waggle only controls. I have no idea why they couldn't provide both controller schemes because as the article said, they originally had the game planned to have button-based controls. Let's hope Nintendo doesn't fuck it up.
You know what would be awesome? A fucking lefty mode so Link can be left fucking handed like hes fucking supposed to be!
Looking forward to playing though!
Looking forward to playing though!
This is definitely a game that was made around and takes full advantage of motion controls, if 90+% of the reports on it are true, so I'm excited.
@Dreggsao: Actually, up until TP Wii, Link was always a lefty. It's not that big of a deal, though, seeing as these are all different incarnations of Link. Do they all have to be lefties?
@Dreggsao: Actually, up until TP Wii, Link was always a lefty. It's not that big of a deal, though, seeing as these are all different incarnations of Link. Do they all have to be lefties?
Were only that still the case. Between that and the same claustrophobic HUD that Twilight Princess had, it seems that I'll be sitting this round out.
It'd be a dream if I could just use a GC controller to play this, but I know better since Nintendo wants a reason for people to use motion+.
Someday, I hope Nintendo gets their head out of their ass and lets people play Wii titles with a normal controller.
While the GC controller doesn't have dual analog, the PS3 shows how No More Heroes translates well and honestly, plays better than the Wii version. Only grievance with the PS3 version of that game, charging the Beam Katana by controller wiggle.
Someday, I hope Nintendo gets their head out of their ass and lets people play Wii titles with a normal controller.
While the GC controller doesn't have dual analog, the PS3 shows how No More Heroes translates well and honestly, plays better than the Wii version. Only grievance with the PS3 version of that game, charging the Beam Katana by controller wiggle.
(Disclaimer: I'm a very hardcore Zelda fan)
Trust me, guys. I've played quite a bit of the game using a host of available items and all the different ways of controlling them. You will definitely not be disappointed. The boss battle shown in the demo build with Ghirahim may very well be one of my favourite Zelda bosses already. It's the first in the game!
It is extremely well controlled. The only problem I ran into was it sometimes spazzed out when holding the controller at a certain angle, but it wasn't often enough to be a noticeable detraction in quality.
Trust me, guys. I've played quite a bit of the game using a host of available items and all the different ways of controlling them. You will definitely not be disappointed. The boss battle shown in the demo build with Ghirahim may very well be one of my favourite Zelda bosses already. It's the first in the game!
It is extremely well controlled. The only problem I ran into was it sometimes spazzed out when holding the controller at a certain angle, but it wasn't often enough to be a noticeable detraction in quality.
@people refusing to play due to motion controls
Some people haven't been taking Jonathan Holmes' lessons to heart.
Some people haven't been taking Jonathan Holmes' lessons to heart.
@Tony Ponce - Holmes is an unrepentant Nintendo fanboy. He "doesn't get" why people are excited for Skyrim, Batman, Mass Effect, and a whole host of other games, while at the same time going on and on about how awesome Mario, Pokemon, Zelda and the 3DS in general are. I couldn't give less of a fuck what his thoughts on WiiWaggle are.
So what you are telling me is there was a point in which I might have bought and played this game. Interesting. Oh well at least I'll have Darksiders 2 to play with my non arm waving controller.
Skyward Sword's development started just after they released Twilight Princess, at that time there didn't exist the Wii Motion Plus, or at least they didn't exactly know how good would it work regarding sword playing.
When they did realize that fact, in Wii Sports Resort, it was OBVIOUS they should use it for Skyward Sword.
When they did realize that fact, in Wii Sports Resort, it was OBVIOUS they should use it for Skyward Sword.
I'm not going to lie, it is curious; but my inner cynic is telling me that even Nintendo realizes motion controls aren't the mega-magic they originally expected them to be.
@Dreggsao: For simplicity sake go look at Link to the Past and/or Ocarina of Time.
Link is left handed.
Link is left handed.
This is not exactly new information.
Aonuma already talked a long time ago about the difficulties they had with the controls, but they tackled them all and the game looks amazing because of it. The age old lesson of working on something until it's good paid off.
All the haters... just grow the hell up.
LOOK AT THIS GAME. LOOK AT IT!
You can not possible play this game without the amazing controls, they are woven into every fibre of its being. It is the PINNACLE of motion control implementation.
You miss this? Then say BYE BYE to your credibility as an open minded gamer.
Not to mention it's Zelda.
Aonuma already talked a long time ago about the difficulties they had with the controls, but they tackled them all and the game looks amazing because of it. The age old lesson of working on something until it's good paid off.
All the haters... just grow the hell up.
LOOK AT THIS GAME. LOOK AT IT!
You can not possible play this game without the amazing controls, they are woven into every fibre of its being. It is the PINNACLE of motion control implementation.
You miss this? Then say BYE BYE to your credibility as an open minded gamer.
Not to mention it's Zelda.
Waggle sucks, but I don't see how 1 to 1 sword play constitutes as waggle. Seriously guys, have you even tried a motion+ game? Not to say it's perfect, but it's what motion control should have started as day 1. Nintendo kind of fucked up imo by having such shitty motion controls crammed into 90% of their games. I expect Skyward Sword to be the first and last decent representation of motion controls, all because Nintendo wants to move on after souring us with forcing waggle during our platforming in Mario Galaxy and DKC Returns.
Oh well, I won't really miss it.
Oh well, I won't really miss it.
Huh. So it seems Nintendo doesn't always design their games around some central gimmick. Seems they sometimes value solid design instead.
Oh wait, I already knew that. Carry on!
Oh wait, I already knew that. Carry on!
Huh. So it seems Nintendo doesn't always design their games around some central gimmick. Seems they sometimes value solid design instead.
Oh wait, I already knew that. Carry on!
Oh wait, I already knew that. Carry on!
Huh. So it seems Nintendo doesn't always design their games around some central gimmick. Seems they sometimes value solid design instead.
Oh wait, I already knew that. Carry on!
Oh wait, I already knew that. Carry on!
Dammit. Please have mercy upon this n00b for this stupid, stupid triple-post. Anybody know how to fix it?
"Waggle," as far as I'm concerned, is when an in-game action that could be activated by a simple button push is replaced by a undiscriminating flail of the controller. Examples of this include using your sword in Twilight Princess Wii, the spin jump in NSMBW, and the roll in DKCR. What Skyward Sword does is not "waggle." Not at all. The sword follows the movements of the controller one-to-one. It isn't a tacked-on feature to justify the Wii's main selling point. The entire game was built around this feature. If it isn't for you, that's fine, but please don't dismiss the amount of thought that went into integrating motion control in a meaningful way.
I like motion control when it's done right. One advantage I think the Wii had was the ability to point at the screen. Too bad not to many companies other than Nintendo and Capcom really took advantage of the Wii's strengths. How could basically no good shooters come out after Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition? SMDH
I think my main issue with the motion controls in Skyward Sword is how they implemented it in combat. I know a lot of people really dig feeling like they're actually swinging that sword around and taking a more direct part in controlling Link's actions, but I personally feel the actual mechanics have suffered.
Every time an enemy puts it's guard up at one angle while leaving itself totally open from another and just stands there for several seconds waiting for you to swing the remote around, it feels like a big chug in the pacing of the fight. It's obvious, unnatural, and makes me feel more disconnected. So then I hear people arguing that this already awkward mechanic wouldn't even be possible without motion+ but I still fail to see how exactly since previous Zelda titles managed horizontal and vertical slashes mapped to face buttons just fine.
I know this motion stuff is implemented throughout the game for pretty much everything, but the combat is the main one people stand by since it's the only thing that doesn't immediately stink of the typical Wii gimmickry, but that's the problem really. Everything but the combat could be translated to a standard controller without issue, and all the combat needs to feel right with a standard controller is the removal of something that makes it worse anyway. In my opinion.
Ultimately I still see no reason for motion control to be mandatory, and I find that incredibly disappointing. I would love to play this game, but I feel my time would be better spent with something I can enjoy without being forced to use a control scheme that breaks immersion for me. Again, that's MY problem with it. I don't expect many to agree, but nobody gets to be a pious ass and claim I just don't know what I'm talking about either, because I have tried it for myself and did not like it. All I'm doing here is explaining why, since a lot of people just don't seem to understand how anyone would prefer a regular controller.
Every time an enemy puts it's guard up at one angle while leaving itself totally open from another and just stands there for several seconds waiting for you to swing the remote around, it feels like a big chug in the pacing of the fight. It's obvious, unnatural, and makes me feel more disconnected. So then I hear people arguing that this already awkward mechanic wouldn't even be possible without motion+ but I still fail to see how exactly since previous Zelda titles managed horizontal and vertical slashes mapped to face buttons just fine.
I know this motion stuff is implemented throughout the game for pretty much everything, but the combat is the main one people stand by since it's the only thing that doesn't immediately stink of the typical Wii gimmickry, but that's the problem really. Everything but the combat could be translated to a standard controller without issue, and all the combat needs to feel right with a standard controller is the removal of something that makes it worse anyway. In my opinion.
Ultimately I still see no reason for motion control to be mandatory, and I find that incredibly disappointing. I would love to play this game, but I feel my time would be better spent with something I can enjoy without being forced to use a control scheme that breaks immersion for me. Again, that's MY problem with it. I don't expect many to agree, but nobody gets to be a pious ass and claim I just don't know what I'm talking about either, because I have tried it for myself and did not like it. All I'm doing here is explaining why, since a lot of people just don't seem to understand how anyone would prefer a regular controller.
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