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@ Mr Andy Dixon
The fans actually want "direct sequels". Konami needs to make Silent Hill 1-2, Silent Hill 2-2, and Silent Hill 3-2, since apparently those are the best games sin the franchise.
The fans actually want "direct sequels". Konami needs to make Silent Hill 1-2, Silent Hill 2-2, and Silent Hill 3-2, since apparently those are the best games sin the franchise.
Is anyone else over this crap? Sounds like Hulett is too. (Does Hulett have a Mullet? Can anyone confirm this?)
BUT JIMZ!!! IF THINS ARRRGH DIFFERNET, HOW CAN WE STILL JUSTINFY OUR LOVE OF THINGS THAT NEBER CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@Mr Andy Dixon
Maybe it's the fact that Konami told the original developers to fuck off and handed their baby off to shovelware companies?
Look at the HD Collection and try to tell me it was somehow the fan's fault.
Maybe it's the fact that Konami told the original developers to fuck off and handed their baby off to shovelware companies?
Look at the HD Collection and try to tell me it was somehow the fan's fault.
Jim supporting the position that agrees with his own, truly these are unusual times.
I'd say the ire stems also from the general mistreatment of the franchise, Downpour was actually quite good but marred by bugs, the HD collection was a travesty and if you bought the 360 version, well eat a dick.
I'm not as raving as most of the fans but I can understand their feelings, some spin-offs at least retain the spirit of the franchise, even Mario Kart to an extent retained the spirit of the Mario games, this does not. Its just another thing in the long line of developer mistakes to draw in a wider audience.
People who play SH aren't going to play a game like this and people who haven't played an SH game yet, are not going to give a shit about a spin-off.
I'd say the ire stems also from the general mistreatment of the franchise, Downpour was actually quite good but marred by bugs, the HD collection was a travesty and if you bought the 360 version, well eat a dick.
I'm not as raving as most of the fans but I can understand their feelings, some spin-offs at least retain the spirit of the franchise, even Mario Kart to an extent retained the spirit of the Mario games, this does not. Its just another thing in the long line of developer mistakes to draw in a wider audience.
People who play SH aren't going to play a game like this and people who haven't played an SH game yet, are not going to give a shit about a spin-off.
Just dont call it Silent Hill, call it "Some horror game: Book of memories" and even Silent Hill fans will praise it as some good game(maybe) with a dark mood and diablo like features.
Most of you people are fucking retarted and need to eat my dick now.
Oh noez! The silent hill games have been shit since 3. Actually thats no true.
Oh noez! Its a fucking spin off that isnt like the main series! Who the fuck cares!
We should fucking imbrace this game if it ends up amazing. You stupid fucks are hating on this game for all the wrong reasons.
Like fuck gamers needs to be more open minded. You douche bags think you can make a better silent hill game? Get off your fat asses and do it.
Oh noez! The silent hill games have been shit since 3. Actually thats no true.
Oh noez! Its a fucking spin off that isnt like the main series! Who the fuck cares!
We should fucking imbrace this game if it ends up amazing. You stupid fucks are hating on this game for all the wrong reasons.
Like fuck gamers needs to be more open minded. You douche bags think you can make a better silent hill game? Get off your fat asses and do it.
@ Kyosuke Nanbu
Agreed. This game wouldn't have received much hatred if it was released after Silent Hill 3/4. But after the crap HD collection and other games which the fans they didn't like, they are pissed.
@SayWord
Your spelling makes your point hard to understand.
Your use of the defesne: "Let's See YOU Do Better" is pathetic.
Agreed. This game wouldn't have received much hatred if it was released after Silent Hill 3/4. But after the crap HD collection and other games which the fans they didn't like, they are pissed.
@SayWord
Your spelling makes your point hard to understand.
Your use of the defesne: "Let's See YOU Do Better" is pathetic.
He's right of course, but I don't think Konami is helping matters either (not that Konami ever helps anything). Everybody knows the likes of Theatrhythm, Persona 4: Arena, Mario Tennis, etc have nothing to do with the main series, nor are they presented as such.
In this case, I vaguely recall a video I saw here where a Konami dude pretty much tried to sell the game as "the traditional Silent Hill survival horror experience, only with friends". This "heresy" is probably what's got the fans up in arms.
In this case, I vaguely recall a video I saw here where a Konami dude pretty much tried to sell the game as "the traditional Silent Hill survival horror experience, only with friends". This "heresy" is probably what's got the fans up in arms.
@Pedro Lara Salazar
I still don't understand this. Why is using the likeness of a series for a spin-off considered such a taboo in the gaming community?
I still don't understand this. Why is using the likeness of a series for a spin-off considered such a taboo in the gaming community?
I think the hate is not silent hill fans per se but just that a good traditional silent hill game was ages ago, sure you have that wii/ps2/psp one but in general I think that is more the issue, having a spinoff while fans are waiting for another good game in the main series to finally show up.
In my experience there was definitely plenty of vitriol over the Dissidia games, as well as the FFVII spin-offs, but if Silent Hillers really wanted to get mad about a spin off, perhaps they should have started with the Arcade light-gun versions.
Way to be late to the party, people-I-don't-know-in-real-life.
Way to be late to the party, people-I-don't-know-in-real-life.
Cue Eddie Vedder "this is not for you!!"
The fans always complain. Just like that whole Jar Jar Binks thing when the SW prequels came out. And you know what? The fans got it wrong. History will remember things differently. And to this day Jar Jar Binks IS Star Wars!!
The fans always complain. Just like that whole Jar Jar Binks thing when the SW prequels came out. And you know what? The fans got it wrong. History will remember things differently. And to this day Jar Jar Binks IS Star Wars!!
Ok, Hulett got a point BUT!! as a fan of the series I have to say this:
It's not about the spin off, is about the cheap resource of using successful elements from the past to make new games scary, like "Hey Pyramid Head is f*cking scary right? lets use it as the only scary resource in every new game!!" instead of create completely new awesome ideas.
Plus... you know that Pyramid Head have a very important reason to be in Silent Hill 2? oh I'm sorry, we are talking about spin off, right? Maybe in the new series of Silent Hill Pyramid Head will be Harry Mason's neighbor and enjoy ice-cream happy together
It's not about the spin off, is about the cheap resource of using successful elements from the past to make new games scary, like "Hey Pyramid Head is f*cking scary right? lets use it as the only scary resource in every new game!!" instead of create completely new awesome ideas.
Plus... you know that Pyramid Head have a very important reason to be in Silent Hill 2? oh I'm sorry, we are talking about spin off, right? Maybe in the new series of Silent Hill Pyramid Head will be Harry Mason's neighbor and enjoy ice-cream happy together
Wasn't there just a Jimquisition where he said that fans whining was a good thing because boycotts don't work?
Here is my problem with Book of Shadows. Book of Shadows would have been fine, fans would have been cool with it a year ago. But Konami and Hulett happened to drop a gigantic piece of shit on Silent Hill fans with the HD collection. Seriously, it was the laziest, most inept port of two games I have ever personally seen.
Honestly, they couldn't devote a small fraction of the resources to porting the two best games in the series that they did on Book of Shadows, then expect SH fans to shower them with approbation? Fuck that. Konami couldn't give a fuck about its games. Hulett couldn't give less of a fuck about the Silent Hill franchise. Its just a name they will put on any piece of shit that couldn't sell on its own in hopes of getting some meager sales. That's all.
It's not really about Book of Shadows, they are just frustrated with the direction of the franchise, the piece of shit HD collection and are just lashing out at the nearest available target. Let them whine and bitch on their corner of the internet all they want. It doesn't hurt you any, it doesn't hurt gaming and it doesn't hurt the SH franchise because Konami had already flushed it down the toilet.
Here is my problem with Book of Shadows. Book of Shadows would have been fine, fans would have been cool with it a year ago. But Konami and Hulett happened to drop a gigantic piece of shit on Silent Hill fans with the HD collection. Seriously, it was the laziest, most inept port of two games I have ever personally seen.
Honestly, they couldn't devote a small fraction of the resources to porting the two best games in the series that they did on Book of Shadows, then expect SH fans to shower them with approbation? Fuck that. Konami couldn't give a fuck about its games. Hulett couldn't give less of a fuck about the Silent Hill franchise. Its just a name they will put on any piece of shit that couldn't sell on its own in hopes of getting some meager sales. That's all.
It's not really about Book of Shadows, they are just frustrated with the direction of the franchise, the piece of shit HD collection and are just lashing out at the nearest available target. Let them whine and bitch on their corner of the internet all they want. It doesn't hurt you any, it doesn't hurt gaming and it doesn't hurt the SH franchise because Konami had already flushed it down the toilet.
That rant was supposed to be Book of Memories. I'm getting my shitty games of once great Konami franchises confused. My bad.
The difference between those series and Silent Hill is that they hadn't been utter shit for several years before getting a spin-off.
This is the same type of stupid bitching as the DMC reboot. The idea of hating a reboot or a spin-off for actually, I dunno, SPINNING-OFF of the original source material is a bit ridiculous. The real icing on the cake here is the fact that it's Silent Hill fans, because really, the series has been SO incredible after Silent Hill 3.
I fully admit that I was exceedingly harsh on this game at its initial reveals, and after reading about it some more it sounds like it could be a lot of fun with some friends.
That being said, it alone isn't really enough to sell me on a Vita.
That being said, it alone isn't really enough to sell me on a Vita.
This Silent Hill controversy is... wait, I don't get why Squeenix doesn't bring back Dissidia. It's one of the few last things they done done right. Even if they don't add anything new but characters I'd buy a copy.
Back to SH, I think the guy's right, the fans are making a big deal out of this.
Back to SH, I think the guy's right, the fans are making a big deal out of this.
What Qreg said about Dissidia.
Also, who the HELL is saying that none of those series isn't also dying? Has anyone played a Final Fantasy this generation (or last for most people) that was an utter load of spunk? We have 2 MMOs (FF11 & FF14, which still don't deserve numbers in the series, since they're spin-offs), two that play LIKE they're MMOs (FF13 & FF12), and FFX.
FFX was the last one worth any weight. This makes FF worse off than SH which had a good game in 2003.
Also, who the HELL is saying that none of those series isn't also dying? Has anyone played a Final Fantasy this generation (or last for most people) that was an utter load of spunk? We have 2 MMOs (FF11 & FF14, which still don't deserve numbers in the series, since they're spin-offs), two that play LIKE they're MMOs (FF13 & FF12), and FFX.
FFX was the last one worth any weight. This makes FF worse off than SH which had a good game in 2003.
So, according to that guy (whose name I won't even bother mentioning), it's completely fine if I make a Silent Hill based game about prancing ponies growing flowers and farting rainbows. Hey, it's a spin-off, and that happens all the time!
I think people are awakening to the fact that he's full of shit, and that everything he touches turns to shit. He has no respect or understanding for the series, all he sees is profitable intellectual property. He's right in that he's not the only one doing that. Lots of assholes everywhere just like him. If only people would complain about those others as well, instead of bending over.
I think people are awakening to the fact that he's full of shit, and that everything he touches turns to shit. He has no respect or understanding for the series, all he sees is profitable intellectual property. He's right in that he's not the only one doing that. Lots of assholes everywhere just like him. If only people would complain about those others as well, instead of bending over.
I don't trust the guy who fucked up the HD Collection and publically claimed. Nuff said.
Making Silent Hill into a co-op dungeon crawler is nothing more than abuse of brand recognition. What's next, we're gonna have fighting game?
If his Silent Hill games werent so shitty, we wouldn't be complaining! Make TRUE sequel to this raped and dying franchise and make it not-suck - Then we'll talk. Or hell -let the franchise die with whatever dignity it's got left...
In the meantime dont compare your shitty games to others that are way more competently made and more popular than yours.
Making Silent Hill into a co-op dungeon crawler is nothing more than abuse of brand recognition. What's next, we're gonna have fighting game?
If his Silent Hill games werent so shitty, we wouldn't be complaining! Make TRUE sequel to this raped and dying franchise and make it not-suck - Then we'll talk. Or hell -let the franchise die with whatever dignity it's got left...
In the meantime dont compare your shitty games to others that are way more competently made and more popular than yours.
*Claimed it was the best thing ever*
Bottomline: I don't think fans would have a problem with this if all his previous Silent Hill games didn't suck so hard.
Bottomline: I don't think fans would have a problem with this if all his previous Silent Hill games didn't suck so hard.
Spin offs are fine, but he's ruining the entire franchise game by game! This is why everyone creamed their jeans when we heard the possibility of of Hideo Kojima getting involved. This is an emergency. Tom Hulett's involvement with SH is like Appaloosa's treatment of Contra... it's poor quality games and unwelcome outcomes. BoM is going to be awful and rather than take responsibility for it's failure himself, he's going to blame WayForward for his own ineptitude.
Kojima can fuck himself. He's a one trick pony tool that refuses to take an artistic risk.
And seriously? Avi Arid as producer of mg movie?
And seriously? Avi Arid as producer of mg movie?
I don't personally have a problem with a spin-off of any kind. However I do if its a shit game - So far Tom has done a lukewarm job with SH, aside from the trash job on the HD collection. So I would say if you have reservations of the man's ability to lead a team to do a job right, then I would say your allowed your criticisms - However let this game release, then eat it up if it ends up delicious or vomit it out if its another trash job (Thus proving your point further about Tom).
Let's put it this way. This guy won't be involved for much longer I think - The SH series doesn't exactly turn-over alot of revenue and Tom hasn't helped it marvelously so its really up in the air who takes the reigns of the series.
Let's put it this way. This guy won't be involved for much longer I think - The SH series doesn't exactly turn-over alot of revenue and Tom hasn't helped it marvelously so its really up in the air who takes the reigns of the series.
"Nobody cares about Silent Hill more than I do."
"Look around, Silent Hill fans. It really is just you."
there is a fundamental problem here. SH fans are up in arms, and yet the self proclaimed biggest SH fan is fine. as an unbiased observer, i think this Hullett guy is more concerned with making money than paying the series proper respect. perhaps caring more about SH in his mind means just making sure the franchise stays afloat in some way, because it's now paying his bills.
this is of course the nature of business, but if you can't please the real fans of the series with the main entries, and you're willing to do spin offs (cash ins) then don't act like you care more then those that genuinely understand and respect the source material, because it's fucking insulting.
also, by itself i find the second quote bizarre. does anyone but silent hill fans give a shit about BOM? why should they, when it's biggest draw is the SH name in the title?
"Look around, Silent Hill fans. It really is just you."
there is a fundamental problem here. SH fans are up in arms, and yet the self proclaimed biggest SH fan is fine. as an unbiased observer, i think this Hullett guy is more concerned with making money than paying the series proper respect. perhaps caring more about SH in his mind means just making sure the franchise stays afloat in some way, because it's now paying his bills.
this is of course the nature of business, but if you can't please the real fans of the series with the main entries, and you're willing to do spin offs (cash ins) then don't act like you care more then those that genuinely understand and respect the source material, because it's fucking insulting.
also, by itself i find the second quote bizarre. does anyone but silent hill fans give a shit about BOM? why should they, when it's biggest draw is the SH name in the title?
I don't trust the guy who fucked up the HD Collection and publically claimed. Nuff said.
Making Silent Hill into a co-op dungeon crawler is nothing more than abuse of brand recognition. What's next, we're gonna have fighting game?
If his Silent Hill games werent so shitty, we wouldn't be complaining! Make TRUE sequel to this raped and dying franchise and make it not-suck - Then we'll talk. Or hell -let the franchise die with whatever dignity it's got left...
In the meantime dont compare your shitty games to others that are way more competently made and more popular than yours.
Making Silent Hill into a co-op dungeon crawler is nothing more than abuse of brand recognition. What's next, we're gonna have fighting game?
If his Silent Hill games werent so shitty, we wouldn't be complaining! Make TRUE sequel to this raped and dying franchise and make it not-suck - Then we'll talk. Or hell -let the franchise die with whatever dignity it's got left...
In the meantime dont compare your shitty games to others that are way more competently made and more popular than yours.
I've always been a fan of ArcSys games. So when I heard one of my all time favorite RPG's was going to be made into a competitive level fighting game by my favorite fighting game devs, I was elated. But then Persona 4: Arena came out, and I excitedly hurried to GameStop's website to check price, availability in my area and read reviews.
It had like a 6/10 on release day because so many Persona Fans bought it expecting the next Persona game and nerd ragged when there was no turnbased fights and social links to be found in a 2-D Fighter.
The gaming community has some of the most unreasonable and senseless people I have ever seen.
It had like a 6/10 on release day because so many Persona Fans bought it expecting the next Persona game and nerd ragged when there was no turnbased fights and social links to be found in a 2-D Fighter.
The gaming community has some of the most unreasonable and senseless people I have ever seen.
I don't know, he kind of DOESN'T have a point because...Final Fantasy spin-offs are better than the main series anymore. OH SNAP! Fans are happy when they get something that isn't Lightning's Ultimate Orgasm: Final Fantasy XIII-10, and Persona 4 Arena keeps all the style and substance that is Persona, so no foul there.
Book of Memories looks very forgettable compared to the rest of the games. I'll take a pass. I like the series, and most of the games, even the movies, but this game looks stale by just observing the game play. Maybe if you're into Diablo...Based on that, most people should love the game. Me personally, I have nothing against a game doing something different, but at least pick the right genre for a spin off. With a series like Silent Hill, you have to be very careful, because well, you know, atmosphere.
Let's be real here people, Silent Hill or not, the game looks meh, something that looks perfect for the mobile or social market.
Book of Memories looks very forgettable compared to the rest of the games. I'll take a pass. I like the series, and most of the games, even the movies, but this game looks stale by just observing the game play. Maybe if you're into Diablo...Based on that, most people should love the game. Me personally, I have nothing against a game doing something different, but at least pick the right genre for a spin off. With a series like Silent Hill, you have to be very careful, because well, you know, atmosphere.
Let's be real here people, Silent Hill or not, the game looks meh, something that looks perfect for the mobile or social market.
We are upset, cause we havent got a good Silent Hill in ages, and Konami is handling the franchise like garbage
Silent Hill died after SH4:The Room, what are people complaining about? These newer games are not even Canon, so just play them for what they are...more poor Western developed garbage with a major Japanese developer name on it.
@Jim:
Tomm hulett is far from "on the money" here. While there have been of lot of needless, baseless fan critique on Silent Hill: Book Of Memories, it seems that Tomm has been totally skipping the fan critique that matters. What he should be addressing is that all of the Silent Hill games he has produced have absolutely NOTHING to do with Silent Hill as far as story/theme is concerned. SH:BOM undoubtedly looks like it's continuing that horrid tradition. So here's a game that looks like it's missing the point of a Silent Hill game: Alessa, Samael, The Cult!!
The Silent Hill series has some of the worst fan base of any gaming series, in that an overwhelming majority of said fanbase misinterpret a large portion of the first 3 silent hill games' stories. Tomm Hulett is among the bad portion of that fanbase. Not once has he genuinely addressed any constructive fan critique in a meaningful way. He boasts that he's the biggest Silent Hill fan EVER, yet everything he's done has shown that he understands little to NOTHING about the important factors of the series. What the fuck did Shattered Memories, 0rigins or Downpour have to do with Silent Hill???
He then focuses on useless comments about spin-off games and needlessly shows off examples of spin-off games from other franchises?? Like that's supposed to mean something?? Like his point is somehow made because "Persona 4: The Arena" is successful?? So in otherwords, that's the problem fans been having all along with Silent Hill, namely Book of Memories?? So, forget the fact that BoM looks like it'll add nothing of worth to the silent hill mythos?? So forget that it looks like it wont tie into the story of Silent Hill 1 in any meaningful way?? the REAL problem all along is that it's a spin off game?? So there hasn't been any constructive criticism made by fans as far as BoM is concerned??
See, THIS is Tomm Hulett's problem.. this is why he's viewed with such scorn. And it looks like you're forgetting this Jim, because you're being distracted by the bad portion of the SH fanbase. You're worried that fans are raggin' on BoM unfairly.
Forget that Jim, focus on the real problem.. and Tomm hulett is the real problem.
Tomm hulett is far from "on the money" here. While there have been of lot of needless, baseless fan critique on Silent Hill: Book Of Memories, it seems that Tomm has been totally skipping the fan critique that matters. What he should be addressing is that all of the Silent Hill games he has produced have absolutely NOTHING to do with Silent Hill as far as story/theme is concerned. SH:BOM undoubtedly looks like it's continuing that horrid tradition. So here's a game that looks like it's missing the point of a Silent Hill game: Alessa, Samael, The Cult!!
The Silent Hill series has some of the worst fan base of any gaming series, in that an overwhelming majority of said fanbase misinterpret a large portion of the first 3 silent hill games' stories. Tomm Hulett is among the bad portion of that fanbase. Not once has he genuinely addressed any constructive fan critique in a meaningful way. He boasts that he's the biggest Silent Hill fan EVER, yet everything he's done has shown that he understands little to NOTHING about the important factors of the series. What the fuck did Shattered Memories, 0rigins or Downpour have to do with Silent Hill???
He then focuses on useless comments about spin-off games and needlessly shows off examples of spin-off games from other franchises?? Like that's supposed to mean something?? Like his point is somehow made because "Persona 4: The Arena" is successful?? So in otherwords, that's the problem fans been having all along with Silent Hill, namely Book of Memories?? So, forget the fact that BoM looks like it'll add nothing of worth to the silent hill mythos?? So forget that it looks like it wont tie into the story of Silent Hill 1 in any meaningful way?? the REAL problem all along is that it's a spin off game?? So there hasn't been any constructive criticism made by fans as far as BoM is concerned??
See, THIS is Tomm Hulett's problem.. this is why he's viewed with such scorn. And it looks like you're forgetting this Jim, because you're being distracted by the bad portion of the SH fanbase. You're worried that fans are raggin' on BoM unfairly.
Forget that Jim, focus on the real problem.. and Tomm hulett is the real problem.
It's been just them the entire time. Play any Silent Hill game, most of them aren't very good to begin with. The fist one was okay, the second one had some great moments but overall felt worse (way too much running through sawdust-colored fog, bad writing, mediocre at best level design) and Shattered Memories was genius but only barely tapped into its own potential. The only remarkable thing about Silent Hill was the sound design, truly brilliant stuff.
@Umaro57:
The only thing that was "Genius" about Shattered Memories is how bad it was.. in that case it was brilliant!!
So to you, the good games were bad..and the bad game was GENIUS?? You my friend have extremely poor taste in Silent Hill games.
The only thing that was "Genius" about Shattered Memories is how bad it was.. in that case it was brilliant!!
So to you, the good games were bad..and the bad game was GENIUS?? You my friend have extremely poor taste in Silent Hill games.
Response to Book of Memories may be irrational however it is perfectly reasonable to think that you or I would no longer trust a Hulett with your favourite property.
The man has never proven he knows what he's making, why he's making it or how to make it. That and y'know all the lying and excuses surrounding HD Collection, and then lying to desperately try to save face when he get's caught out.
The man has never proven he knows what he's making, why he's making it or how to make it. That and y'know all the lying and excuses surrounding HD Collection, and then lying to desperately try to save face when he get's caught out.
Well, look at it this way. People play what they want. I personally won't touch the game because of the fact it doesn't really go with any piece of the actual silent hill world but in name and bits and small pieces. The fundimental reason this game sickens me is because in the world of mass media, they take every aspect of things we love from the past and make them into shitty money making remakes, sequels and mini games in this case.
Nothing holds value in creativity for the most part when you take apart a series and turn it into something that would be better as a phone game some person paid 99 cents for on market. The same goes for movies, water down the system with half baked things and the original looks stronger and hopefully holds up in the test of time but the new versions fail. Fans stick to the original formula for a reason, BECAUSE IT WORKS! Period.
Nothing holds value in creativity for the most part when you take apart a series and turn it into something that would be better as a phone game some person paid 99 cents for on market. The same goes for movies, water down the system with half baked things and the original looks stronger and hopefully holds up in the test of time but the new versions fail. Fans stick to the original formula for a reason, BECAUSE IT WORKS! Period.
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