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Give Silent Hill to Remedy or Telltale or somebody. ANYONE ELSE EXCEPT KONAMI.
After seeing what they did with The Walking Dead I would actually like to see what Telltale would do with the Silent Hill franchise.
After seeing what they did with The Walking Dead I would actually like to see what Telltale would do with the Silent Hill franchise.
Weren't Konami talking about a patch for the HD Collection eighteen million years ago? It's still not there. I tolerated the bugs for SH2, but I want the game patched before I replay 3. Pretty please?
I bought 2 for PS2 and now looking for 3. Glad I saw Jim's review or else I would have bought the HD
Which makes it completely excusable to shaft the consumer.
"Not our fault guys, but thanks for the money!" - Tomm Hulett
"Not our fault guys, but thanks for the money!" - Tomm Hulett
I'm glad they explained why there were problems, more developers need to be open like this so we can understand.
You know, I'm not as sore at Sega for their not knowing where Panzer Dragoon Saga's is, thus preventing a port to newer systems and digital distribution. Maybe it would have been for the best if the result were to be anything like this.
@Themaud
Work harder? Not release it broken?! What you suggest is -madness-, dear child. Konami needs the infinite piles of Metal Gear money to stuff their beds and pillows at night. Do you want them to have improper spinal support? How inconsiderate can you be?!
I mean, -really- now.
Work harder? Not release it broken?! What you suggest is -madness-, dear child. Konami needs the infinite piles of Metal Gear money to stuff their beds and pillows at night. Do you want them to have improper spinal support? How inconsiderate can you be?!
I mean, -really- now.
I was totally willing to sell my PS2 copy of SH2 for $15-20 just to get an HD version for twice that amount. That is like the holy grail of pure profit in a game industry, and they STILL BLEW IT.
Why could they not consult members of the original production team -- maybe even hire them, that's a thought! -- and pick their brains? They could have asked for their observations, and from those observations ask how they chose to proceed when working on them before on PS2, or would choose to proceed on them now in light of the HD hardware.
To overly simplify it, why did Konami not simply "re-complete" the PS2 code before converting it to PS3 and 360? I'd be really interested in hearing the technical hitches that might prevent my simple-minded approach.
To overly simplify it, why did Konami not simply "re-complete" the PS2 code before converting it to PS3 and 360? I'd be really interested in hearing the technical hitches that might prevent my simple-minded approach.
And now I just feel silly for posting that many times in a row. Seriously, five is a record for me. Not my intent to spam, y'all, honest! My bad. :I
It's nice that not all the blame rests with Konami USA and Hijinx Studios. Anyway, they've stated they plan to patch the HD collection more, so at this point the best thing is just to stay as positive as possible about it.
How can you even lose source code to a game so recent? We're not talking Mario Bros on NES here, this game came out in the last decade. This is just inexcusable.
Game companies losing source code isn't exactly uncommon.
Personally, I think they still tend to look at games as "one and done" deals. They don't see a reason to go out of their way to preserve this stuff, and so it gets lost. And even if they save it at first, it may be tossed, deleted, or lost after several years.
Silent Hill 3 is around 10 years old. As little as five years ago, Konami probably figured its source code was worthless. Certainly once the PS3 came out.
You can't even really argue "anniversary ports" as a reason to keep everything, as a lot of ports are done through emulations anyway.
And that is all without getting into the chaos and insane decisions that some of these companies appear to operate under.
Personally, I think they still tend to look at games as "one and done" deals. They don't see a reason to go out of their way to preserve this stuff, and so it gets lost. And even if they save it at first, it may be tossed, deleted, or lost after several years.
Silent Hill 3 is around 10 years old. As little as five years ago, Konami probably figured its source code was worthless. Certainly once the PS3 came out.
You can't even really argue "anniversary ports" as a reason to keep everything, as a lot of ports are done through emulations anyway.
And that is all without getting into the chaos and insane decisions that some of these companies appear to operate under.
Wow, gotta feel sorry for those that bought a copy and I'm actually glad I never purchased a copy for myself either.
Though, as someone else said, how the fucking hell can you just lose the "source code" to a game you created? That shit should be secured tighter than a masterlock.
Though, as someone else said, how the fucking hell can you just lose the "source code" to a game you created? That shit should be secured tighter than a masterlock.
Lost source code is all too common. Its like Warrin Spector said "indifference will be the cause of our lost history". This is exactly why Devs need to realize that what they are building could very well forge a legacy.
Two fantastic games treated like a high school paper... damn shame. Too bad most companies are scared shitless of reverse engineering.
Two fantastic games treated like a high school paper... damn shame. Too bad most companies are scared shitless of reverse engineering.
Fuckin' glad I didn't buy it now. Id heard the game was shit, but now this just tears it.
I'm getting so fucking sick of the industry. Between lack-luster cashgrabs like this, ondiscDLC, all this "freemium" shit, the $60 price point in a completely flooded market... *sigh*
I'm getting so fucking sick of the industry. Between lack-luster cashgrabs like this, ondiscDLC, all this "freemium" shit, the $60 price point in a completely flooded market... *sigh*
Would someone reputable fucking buy the Silent Hill franchise from these guys? I mean hell, they may not even charge that much considering they have so little respect for the franchise that they lose the blueprints for one of the greatest games of all time.
Christ. I guess I'll go start baking the Retake Silent Hill cupcakes now. Just give me a decent Castlevania game for a console. That's all I ask. A decent one, that has gameplay that is actually fun unlike Lord of Shadows.
Konami just doesn't give a shit about anything anymore.
Konami just doesn't give a shit about anything anymore.
First Ubisoft with that really terrible Splinter Cell port, now Konami. Glad that Kojima was a little more hands on with the MGS Collection, and had Bluepoint (who handed the God of War and Ico collections) to do the back work on the actual updating.
Sony is bad at a lot of things, but they're still the best at updating old games to replay, apparently. I'm amazed at how difficult it is for some publishers.
Sony is bad at a lot of things, but they're still the best at updating old games to replay, apparently. I'm amazed at how difficult it is for some publishers.
Capcom, for all their on-disc DLC shenanigans and nearly heartless cancellation of Megaman Legends 3, at least managed to port the Devil May Cry games into HD without breaking them.
I finally got to play the game, and while there are problems, I don't think they are completely game breaking. There is a plan to fix it, (which is good) but Konami is really bungling almost everything in the last couple years. I imagine that if Castlevania were still being made in Tokyo, they'd underfund and not give enough time for it's development (which always made Iga seem incompetant when he was trying his best under limited circumstances). Maybe LoS was derivative, but it had a lot more polish and care given to it than any of the previous 4 3D Castlevanias. Silent Hill isn't exactly glowing, but you can argue that the games are improving. Now I'm just worried about that big flaming C and what it is going to do to our beloved Contra franchise.
To be fair, when Silent Hill came out in 1999 no-one knew it would be remade 13 years later. The team was probably in major crunch mode and it's easy to see how code could have made it into the release but never checked in. It's not good, but that's videogames.
They should have advertised it as such. "Silent Hill Beta HD Collection". Wonder how well that would have gone over. Lawsuit, anyone?
@shinryu
Exactly what I thought.
To me, it is incomprehensible to the nth degree how a known developer is able to LOSE source code.
I mean, it's not like you're able to drop it somewhere and lose it like keys, money, a sandwich or your own child.
Exactly what I thought.
To me, it is incomprehensible to the nth degree how a known developer is able to LOSE source code.
I mean, it's not like you're able to drop it somewhere and lose it like keys, money, a sandwich or your own child.
Hey Jim, you gonna add an addendum to that Jimquisition vindicating the guys who did the port? I believe you called them maniacs.
@fistynuts:
That excuse might have worked for the original SH, but it's hard to rationalize two games (regarded as some of the best survival horror titles of all time) being lost. These titles (especially 2) influenced an entire generation of horror games that came afterwards - you really think they just lost the source code?
This reminds me of the BBC "Great Video Purge" in the early 80's - the broadcaster wiped a ton of classic British series because they ran out of space for their videotapes. They wiped the entire run of Monty Python's Flying Circus - if it wasn't for a local TV station that saved copies of the master tapes, we would have never had the complete series.
This whole thing smacks of idiocy on Konami's part.
That excuse might have worked for the original SH, but it's hard to rationalize two games (regarded as some of the best survival horror titles of all time) being lost. These titles (especially 2) influenced an entire generation of horror games that came afterwards - you really think they just lost the source code?
This reminds me of the BBC "Great Video Purge" in the early 80's - the broadcaster wiped a ton of classic British series because they ran out of space for their videotapes. They wiped the entire run of Monty Python's Flying Circus - if it wasn't for a local TV station that saved copies of the master tapes, we would have never had the complete series.
This whole thing smacks of idiocy on Konami's part.
Either this is an elaborate lie to "take heat" away from the game, or its just stupidity.. Either way, Konami looks pretty fucking dumb in the process, no matter how you cut it.
Real nice to know what those of us who bought it, bought, was only *maybe* half of the game code. I almost expecting them to offer the rest of it for ransom as DLC...
It really amazes me lately how fucking clueless this company is and how its managed to just sneak it past us all these years.
As for Heather being blue.. Thats something I would have tried to keep in the game.. Its about the only thing that *might* make sense at the end of all this...
Also, side note: Couldn't Konami/the porting devs just found a copy of the final game and.. idk.. ripped that apart for the code they needed.. Something seems odd that so many people have final copies of these games in pristine condition on their shelves, but Konami couldn't manage to ask someone if they could bum one for this.
@Ursu
Ding Ding.. I think you just won the grand prize. Thats exactly how it sounded to me too. This takes tons of blame off the porting devs, now.
Real nice to know what those of us who bought it, bought, was only *maybe* half of the game code. I almost expecting them to offer the rest of it for ransom as DLC...
It really amazes me lately how fucking clueless this company is and how its managed to just sneak it past us all these years.
As for Heather being blue.. Thats something I would have tried to keep in the game.. Its about the only thing that *might* make sense at the end of all this...
Also, side note: Couldn't Konami/the porting devs just found a copy of the final game and.. idk.. ripped that apart for the code they needed.. Something seems odd that so many people have final copies of these games in pristine condition on their shelves, but Konami couldn't manage to ask someone if they could bum one for this.
@Ursu
Ding Ding.. I think you just won the grand prize. Thats exactly how it sounded to me too. This takes tons of blame off the porting devs, now.
Yea. Did they even have finished code? Japanese companies tended to just write new engines anyways, so why would they keep the last bit they compiled? Sucks.
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