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Does this explain the fog effects? At this point I don't have the energy to be mad at them, I just want then to fix it.
Let me get this straight: Konami lost a lot of the original source code, doesn't tell the dev team, gives them the code to port, and still ships out the game at almost full price, resulting in the porting team getting most of the blame for the glitches and bugs?
Wow, Konami. You are the worst company in terms of actual game development. This is fucking disgusting.
Wow, Konami. You are the worst company in terms of actual game development. This is fucking disgusting.
Jim you fucking liar. You know there real reason the game was a broken piece of shit was because of piracy.
@Themuad I don't know if that was an option most of these ports take a fixed amount of time more or less, if they where to look up all the old issues first the production costs of the port would be to high, yes its what they should have done but most likely Konami wouldn't let them.
It's true Cowkaynee. I pirated the game and I don't even have a 360/PS3 or way to play it!
j/k I wouldn't even pirate that POS port even if I could.
j/k I wouldn't even pirate that POS port even if I could.
@qlum
Well yes ofcourse they should have been given more time by Konami to fix Konamis mistakes... but notice the repeating word and ask yourself if they would make any good decisions^^
Well yes ofcourse they should have been given more time by Konami to fix Konamis mistakes... but notice the repeating word and ask yourself if they would make any good decisions^^
Well konami, needs to reverse engineer silent hill 2 & 3 so they can fix the holes in the game with that patch they promised awhile back. I bet they can find a copy or two on amazon or ebay >_>
I hadn't thought about this kind of thing until I went to that panel at PAX East about preserving gaming history and they were saying source code is being lost at a pretty astonishing rate. They didn't mention it at that panel but I've read a few articles lately about how pirates are inadvertently serving as repositories for things like source code and software that would otherwise be lost. Apparently developers ad publishers need to do a better job at preserving this stuff, especially if they do want to release updated versions for cash money at some point.
Seems to be a surprising number of game developers that don't use version control systems. I seem to recall there being one indie hit where the devs said they couldn't rebuild the project from source anymore, they could only incrementally patch the binary and then test it by replaying the whole game manually?
I didn't expect such sloppy behaviour from such a large publisher though. Here Konami, free book on Git.
http://git-scm.com/book
I didn't expect such sloppy behaviour from such a large publisher though. Here Konami, free book on Git.
http://git-scm.com/book
This, like most things on the internet involving video games, infuriates me. I shall immediately begin work on a scathing blog, harshly lampooning the situation, complete with pictures of the involved parties that I've drawn googly eyes on in MS Paint.
This will not stand.
This will not stand.
I kind of feel terrible I bought this. I like to support the gaming industry as much as I can, but this makes me question whether or not it deserves my support.
Fucking Konami, man. Bad enough the only games they have in the pipeline I have any interest in are re-releases of old games. If they're smart, they'll re-brand themselves as Ultra Games, and hire better PR/developers, and be rid of the name "Konami"
Fucking Konami, man. Bad enough the only games they have in the pipeline I have any interest in are re-releases of old games. If they're smart, they'll re-brand themselves as Ultra Games, and hire better PR/developers, and be rid of the name "Konami"
I think Capcom was also "guilty" of not retaining the source code for Okami, thus making the port to the Wii a much more difficult task.
oh well Konami...
Really interesting reading, I had no idea porting a game was such a tedious work and different all the time apparently.
Really interesting reading, I had no idea porting a game was such a tedious work and different all the time apparently.
Whatever an "incompetent barnyward" is, I think it's a fitting term for Konami. I hope it becomes a thing.
You keep supporting a bloated industry no matter what they do and this is what you get. Time to trim the fat.
So they decide to sell the piece of scatology and insult gamers even further? Hey Konami (or any publisher), we do not want your lame excuses. Make it right or GTFO.
We can do better as far as the cover photo goes Jim! A giant Tak Fujii with a WOW caption would have been better!
Fuck you Konami, Fuck you.
It makes you wonder if it wasnt worth starting over and making a HD Remake in stead of just Remastering it.
Like Halo.
It makes you wonder if it wasnt worth starting over and making a HD Remake in stead of just Remastering it.
Like Halo.
So your run of the mill software pirate can pull the code out of a retail copy. These professionals on the other hand could not? So they use incomplete code and try to make quick fixes. Yeah, no one to blame here but the company. Still looks like everyone dropped the ball.
It's like the American car industry through the 70's and 80's: fuck it, just get it out the door. Good enough is good enough and people will buy it cause it's good enough.
And hahaha, it just isn't a day without Trist trying to play referee to a fight that isn't happening. You lay it on em, bud. They'll learn to care about as little as you do one day.
And hahaha, it just isn't a day without Trist trying to play referee to a fight that isn't happening. You lay it on em, bud. They'll learn to care about as little as you do one day.
Sounds about right, Japanese companies have been atrocious about maintaining and cataloging source code. A lot of old 8-bit, 16-bit, and 32-bit games are lost in the wind because of this (guess why you will probably never see a re-release of Panzer Dragoon Saga in our life time!)
It seems a bit surprising that something as late as last gen is suffering because of this though. I bet chunks of the source code were lost when Team Silent was disbanded.
It seems a bit surprising that something as late as last gen is suffering because of this though. I bet chunks of the source code were lost when Team Silent was disbanded.
So what I am getting from recent news is that I can become a successful video game company by employing a combination of gross negligence and a criminal lack of empathy? Fuck, I need to get in on this. Watch out for the new Vidja Garme Giant, RapeFarm INC.
wow seriously Konami??
you just have to fuck it more can you??
it's official, konami are the number one bastards of the game industry when it comes to treating their franchise.
i mean seriously can't even find the fucking code???
just wow.
you just have to fuck it more can you??
it's official, konami are the number one bastards of the game industry when it comes to treating their franchise.
i mean seriously can't even find the fucking code???
just wow.
but... but... I guess I don't understand anything about computers, because I would have thought that the source code would be contained on the original disks... right???
I suggest we all start a new trend. Whenever we mess something up, we just "Konamied" the situation.
Explains why SH4 wasn't on this collection, knowing Konami, the original code was probably lost forever.
I guess we all know now why Konami didn't do this inhouse, them degrees of separation and plausible deniability...... I can see the meeting now "*Harumph* we lost the code but we can outsouce the project with the code we still have and if it goes badly everyone will blame the port team *Harumph*"
@ima420r
The problem there is that once something is compiled it isn't exactly easy to extract data from it. Sometimes to the point that it would just be easier to rewrite the code from scratch rather than attempting to decompile it. Even if you can successfully decompile something oft times what you get is a "best guess" certainly never the original source.
@ima420r
The problem there is that once something is compiled it isn't exactly easy to extract data from it. Sometimes to the point that it would just be easier to rewrite the code from scratch rather than attempting to decompile it. Even if you can successfully decompile something oft times what you get is a "best guess" certainly never the original source.
I am now 100x happier and feel completely justified in buying the PS2 versions of both games after your review, Jim. Thank you. Seriously, fucking thank you.
Oh, and Konami: I BOUGHT THEM USED!!!!
Oh, and Konami: I BOUGHT THEM USED!!!!
@ima420r
No, source code is different from game code.
Source code is basically the thing that the actual game is made out of - its the backbone, the internals, etc. Everything the game does is based off the source code, and its the part of the game that the actual developers need access to in order to make games and changes to them on a base level.
Retail/shipped games typically have zero source code on them - the only code that'll be there is the compiled, compressed, optimized and un-editable code that is designed only to run, not to be edited. You can think of normal game code as something that only a computer knows how to read and work with, while source code as the stuff that only people can read, which makes the computer code.
This is done for both efficiency reasons (aka, if the game/program is pure "computer code", it'll generally run more effiecently and can hook into more processes), and for security reasons (if your source code is on the disk, it means any coder can easily just read your code to copy and reproduce their own versions of the game, or entire game engines). The only time you'll ever see source-code (the stuff that humans read, versus the game code which is what the computer reads) is if the game/project is considered "Open-Source"... AKA anyone can go in, make edits, and update the base program.
This is also why it can be really hard to actually mod certain games, depending on how much of the game code/functions is locked away behind the source code. Games that use a lot of 3rd-party stuff, like LUA scripting for weapon scripts, generally are pretty easy to mod, because generally things like scripts aren't hard-coded. Other games however might "hard code" everything, in that literally everything in the game was coded using the source code, so those games are generally impossible (or very hard) to mod. Most console games tend to follow the latter.
Now, you know! :D
No, source code is different from game code.
Source code is basically the thing that the actual game is made out of - its the backbone, the internals, etc. Everything the game does is based off the source code, and its the part of the game that the actual developers need access to in order to make games and changes to them on a base level.
Retail/shipped games typically have zero source code on them - the only code that'll be there is the compiled, compressed, optimized and un-editable code that is designed only to run, not to be edited. You can think of normal game code as something that only a computer knows how to read and work with, while source code as the stuff that only people can read, which makes the computer code.
This is done for both efficiency reasons (aka, if the game/program is pure "computer code", it'll generally run more effiecently and can hook into more processes), and for security reasons (if your source code is on the disk, it means any coder can easily just read your code to copy and reproduce their own versions of the game, or entire game engines). The only time you'll ever see source-code (the stuff that humans read, versus the game code which is what the computer reads) is if the game/project is considered "Open-Source"... AKA anyone can go in, make edits, and update the base program.
This is also why it can be really hard to actually mod certain games, depending on how much of the game code/functions is locked away behind the source code. Games that use a lot of 3rd-party stuff, like LUA scripting for weapon scripts, generally are pretty easy to mod, because generally things like scripts aren't hard-coded. Other games however might "hard code" everything, in that literally everything in the game was coded using the source code, so those games are generally impossible (or very hard) to mod. Most console games tend to follow the latter.
Now, you know! :D
how
THE FUCK
does a million dollar developer "lose" the source code for one of its most successful games ever?
I mean, I'm one person here and I still have the code for the BASIC games I wrote on my 286 as a kid, and I changed five or six PCs in the meantime. Don't they have backups and shit?
THE FUCK
does a million dollar developer "lose" the source code for one of its most successful games ever?
I mean, I'm one person here and I still have the code for the BASIC games I wrote on my 286 as a kid, and I changed five or six PCs in the meantime. Don't they have backups and shit?
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