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There's also a rumor going around that the Pyramid Head rape scene has been edited to show less overt raping.
And here I was about to trade in my copy of the also pretty crappy Operation Raccoon City for this.
*sigh*
*sigh*
After six delays, Konami gives us THIS?! Maybe if they spent less times on new voices and more time on actually remastering the game, this wouldn't be a problem. Wow.
Even worse, when you get to the end of SH2, the tearjerking final cutscenes have just been replaced with a spinning animated penis! It's ludicrous!
I'm also only a couple hours into SH2, but it's not looking good. Frame rate is all over the place, contrast is completely jacked (spent a stupid amount of time messing with the game's brightness settings and my TV's brightness and contrast and everything was always either so bright the mood was ruined or so dark I couldn't see a damn thing), and, while some of the new textures are great, they seem to have sucked all the color out of everything. Totally desaturated and gray. Looks like I'll be hanging onto my PS2 copies.
On a positive note, I actually really like the new SH2 voicework. So there's that?
On a positive note, I actually really like the new SH2 voicework. So there's that?
I'm also only a couple hours into SH2, but it's not looking good. Frame rate is all over the place, contrast is completely jacked (spent a stupid amount of time messing with the game's brightness settings and my TV's brightness and contrast and everything was always either so bright the mood was ruined or so dark I couldn't see a damn thing), and, while some of the new textures are great, they seem to have sucked all the color out of everything. Totally desaturated and gray. Looks like I'll be hanging onto my PS2 copies.
On a positive note, I actually really like the new SH2 voicework. So there's that?
On a positive note, I actually really like the new SH2 voicework. So there's that?
Wow I really use to res .... you know what fuck it. I'm tired, and I really don't even feel like discussing it ...
I think the worst part is they delayed this game like three times. What was the point of the delays if it was going to come out like this?
I started the game last night with playing the "Born From a Wish" scenario because I never owned an Xbox and only played the hell out of the PS2 version of Silent Hill 2, and even that seemed a little.. Off..
Like, The walls in the Baldwin Mansion seemed to flicker at one point and pretty much give away that there was a monster around the corner waiting for me.. Which freaked me out more then actually having the monster just waddle around the corner at me.
I also noticed that when you don't have a map for an area and it tells you "There is no map for this area" that when it goes to the town map as a default the game -again- flickers while heading to that map, but I can't remember if this was something that happened in the original or not. Something tells me I'd remember it though, or at least the seizures its bound to have given me.
I can also confirm that Maria, only at one point in talking to Baldwin, sounded like she was talking through a tin can telephone, but I figured that was just the parlance of that time showing up again.
I will say I like the graphics but -even for a game I've known for over a decade to be the darkest around- I found it too dark, even when I pumped the in-game brightness all the way up.. Its the first time since owning a console this generation where I had to mess with the brightness on my TV to simply find a door in a game.
Either way, I personally find the atmosphere intact, its just that the game just isn't as scary or suspenseful any more simply because its dated visually and mechanically. Its still wonderful (while making me wonder "how did I ever play this back then?") but its definitely showing its age.
Like, The walls in the Baldwin Mansion seemed to flicker at one point and pretty much give away that there was a monster around the corner waiting for me.. Which freaked me out more then actually having the monster just waddle around the corner at me.
I also noticed that when you don't have a map for an area and it tells you "There is no map for this area" that when it goes to the town map as a default the game -again- flickers while heading to that map, but I can't remember if this was something that happened in the original or not. Something tells me I'd remember it though, or at least the seizures its bound to have given me.
I can also confirm that Maria, only at one point in talking to Baldwin, sounded like she was talking through a tin can telephone, but I figured that was just the parlance of that time showing up again.
I will say I like the graphics but -even for a game I've known for over a decade to be the darkest around- I found it too dark, even when I pumped the in-game brightness all the way up.. Its the first time since owning a console this generation where I had to mess with the brightness on my TV to simply find a door in a game.
Either way, I personally find the atmosphere intact, its just that the game just isn't as scary or suspenseful any more simply because its dated visually and mechanically. Its still wonderful (while making me wonder "how did I ever play this back then?") but its definitely showing its age.
I haven't seen any of these concerns mentioned in the reviews I've read, are they really that noticeable? The weird lack of atmosphere is what I'm mainly concerned about, because that can't really be patched like something being buggy.
I only played the beginning of silent hill 3 and I ran into slowdown issues and on some of the cutscenes the audio was off. Guess I'll have to bust out my ps2 copies
About fog - i've seen some videos of the HD version of SH3 and it seems they just completely fucked fog up. On PC, despite the more crisp visuals, games still felt really creepy and not as crisp as they in fact were. Intentionally big noise helped with that, but moreover, PC versions actually had fog working right. And it seems like HD versions sometimes have no fog, where it was before, at all.
Again - Konami, just fucking rerelease the games on Steam. At least 2 and 3. Pc versions were fucking amazing and not buggy. And still work fine. There are some problems with The room, though. And some cutscenes in The Room were pre-rendered in a very low-def way it was impossible to understand what was going on on them.
But SH2 and SH3 on PC are amazing. You just take them, put them on Steam, get money. simple as fucking that.
Again - Konami, just fucking rerelease the games on Steam. At least 2 and 3. Pc versions were fucking amazing and not buggy. And still work fine. There are some problems with The room, though. And some cutscenes in The Room were pre-rendered in a very low-def way it was impossible to understand what was going on on them.
But SH2 and SH3 on PC are amazing. You just take them, put them on Steam, get money. simple as fucking that.
@Swishiee
Not that its an excuse, cause I'd rather not excuse something that should have never happened at all, but I'm pretty sure the answer to those delays was the whole voice track controversy.
Pretty sure that entire back and forth made them double and triple guess a few things.
Not that its an excuse, cause I'd rather not excuse something that should have never happened at all, but I'm pretty sure the answer to those delays was the whole voice track controversy.
Pretty sure that entire back and forth made them double and triple guess a few things.
I'll admit I rebought these because I wouldn't mind getting the achievements, but the pc versions of these games are already goregous looking. Especially SH3. Massive texture resolutions kept this game HD long time ago and even a benchmark game back in the day.
maybe these HD repackaging deals really do take more effort than putting a smoothing filter on PS2 games. I still can't imagine it to be that hard to port games without turning them into glitchy messes
And herin lies why I'm with a group of people to get the Silent Hill 2 and 3 PC ports on Steam. They may be a bit buggy to get working for some, but when they work, for the most part they work flawlessly without the issues being described here.
So I take it Bluepoint Games wasn't on the case with this one. They did a fantastic job with Ico/SotC and MGS HD.
I can only hope its them doing ZOE HD.
I can only hope its them doing ZOE HD.
There's no voices anymore in the intro movie after you wait at the title screen. I used to turn my PS2 copy on just to watch that. So yeah, first of many disappointments, it sounds like. You can still listen to the great music, but it's funny watching a bunch of the game's cutscenes where they're talking a mile a minute and there's no voice.
But I'm going to stay optimistic. I always get at least a little encouraged when there's an early patch. It means there's a small chance they won't just abandon these issues.
But come on, I don't understand how anyone could George Lucas it like this. SH2 is a perfect game, the best of that generation. You don't spend your redevelopment time fucking with who shot first in the cutscenes, you spend it making sure the fucker runs right and looks clean on the new technology. Jesus Christ.
All I can say is don't go to the PC versions instead. As buggy as you may think this experience is, the PC versions are much, much worse. They exist only for taking screenshots.
It's been a rocky start to this year. Mass Effect 3 on PS3 was also mad buggy to start with; it had early patches that didn't fix the hard freezing in multiplayer, but eventually the freezes stopped (which suggests they were server-side)
But I'm going to stay optimistic. I always get at least a little encouraged when there's an early patch. It means there's a small chance they won't just abandon these issues.
But come on, I don't understand how anyone could George Lucas it like this. SH2 is a perfect game, the best of that generation. You don't spend your redevelopment time fucking with who shot first in the cutscenes, you spend it making sure the fucker runs right and looks clean on the new technology. Jesus Christ.
All I can say is don't go to the PC versions instead. As buggy as you may think this experience is, the PC versions are much, much worse. They exist only for taking screenshots.
It's been a rocky start to this year. Mass Effect 3 on PS3 was also mad buggy to start with; it had early patches that didn't fix the hard freezing in multiplayer, but eventually the freezes stopped (which suggests they were server-side)
Blows. I was looking forward to a good SH game...pity. How do you eff up a HD remaster? That's just poor.
I don't have a GAF account, so I haven't been able to post there, but - I've seen all the issues in the thread and more. The first issue that I had with SH3 was so bad that it literally spoils the plot of the game for new players, then freezes my PS3. What happens is: as soon as you 'complete' the introductory amusement park area, the screen stays black, and an audio-only conversation with Claudia plays where she details the end plot of the game. Then, you have to turn your PS3 off... (this doesn't happen every time, but even ONCE is enough to turn a new player off after realizing that they've been spoiled)
The next issue that I haven't seen mentioned yet (and this could actually just be caused by my foggy memory) is the SH3 'book store puzzle' wherein random numbers are scrawled into the spines of books, so that when put in order, you can read the numbers properly. Well, in my game, the 'graphics layer' where the numbers appear...just ISN'T THERE - making the FIRST puzzle in the game UNPASSABLE. Lovely.
The next issue that I haven't seen mentioned yet (and this could actually just be caused by my foggy memory) is the SH3 'book store puzzle' wherein random numbers are scrawled into the spines of books, so that when put in order, you can read the numbers properly. Well, in my game, the 'graphics layer' where the numbers appear...just ISN'T THERE - making the FIRST puzzle in the game UNPASSABLE. Lovely.
They dont include SH1 or The Room, yet they still manage to screw this meager 2-Game collection up... Way to go Konami!
I have been playing this since Tuesday and I'm about to finish SH2 and to be honest I think the team did a great job. There are so many assets in this game and for them to manage to upres everything is impressive. I think the game does chug at strange times and I will agree that it is an issue but people aren't keeping in mind that this game was originally designed for low res textures so to come out with an HD version of 2 games in the amount of time they had its not bad. Plus stuff like framerate issues can be mended with patches. I did notice a day 2 patch (no day 1 patch?)and I'm not sure what it was for but hopefully it did adresss some of the more serious framerate stuff in SH3 cause I'm about to pop on that as soon as 2 is done (I hear it has the most problems.)As for switching over to the PC. I have played every port of the original and I have to say this is the best. The pc version looks like ass. Might as well just get a back compatible PS3 and an O.G. copy of the game. Anyways back to the game, lets look at whats important here, they finally did what some of us that actually appreciate HD quality and nostalgic games have always dreamed of. PLAYING SILENT HILL IN HD. People are also complaining about the audio but go back and play the game. They used the same sound files as the original. It doesn't sound that great because we are so used to the sound design of next gen games. This is fine in my book and it did it's job. Go buy it if you love the series as much as me. The framerate stuff will be fixed im sure. If not...well its better than playing on a ps2 or back compatible ps3 on a hdtv(which i have and it sucks).
Very happy that I still have my PS2 copy of Silent Hill 2.
I suppose the largest problem that this inferior port brings up is that, for a lot of younger people just growing on this generation of consoles, this will be their first experience with the original Silent Hill series. And their experience is that survival horror games were total shite and there's no reason to invest in them anymore. Not a good artistic or marketing strategy there, Konami.
I suppose the largest problem that this inferior port brings up is that, for a lot of younger people just growing on this generation of consoles, this will be their first experience with the original Silent Hill series. And their experience is that survival horror games were total shite and there's no reason to invest in them anymore. Not a good artistic or marketing strategy there, Konami.
who ported this?? konami themselves??
i think they should have given it to Bluepoint Games.
i mean the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection is amazing(despite some of the missing features like Boss Mode, Secret Theater etc)
such a shame the game is being riddled with bugs. they can't even port a game right.
though will be buying this sometime this year for sure :P
i think they should have given it to Bluepoint Games.
i mean the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection is amazing(despite some of the missing features like Boss Mode, Secret Theater etc)
such a shame the game is being riddled with bugs. they can't even port a game right.
though will be buying this sometime this year for sure :P
I know a lot of people who haven't run into any issues so maybe It's a glitch that causes these issues?
PLEASE NOTE:
I was (at least one of) the original people to point out the first two seconds of Pyramid Head's opening scene were left out. It has since come to my attention that this is in the PS3 version only, therefore it is very likely it's merely a graphical glitch/loading problem, NOT an intentional censorship. While it's still a problem these two seconds are missing, it doesn't appear to be anything malicious on Konami's part.
I'm actually a little flabbergasted at how this news was taken, since I merely told people my version was cut short and immediately I see posts on Twitter/news sites that the scene had been "cut." We're talking about two seconds here people. Focus on the real issues: lag and audio bugs.
I was (at least one of) the original people to point out the first two seconds of Pyramid Head's opening scene were left out. It has since come to my attention that this is in the PS3 version only, therefore it is very likely it's merely a graphical glitch/loading problem, NOT an intentional censorship. While it's still a problem these two seconds are missing, it doesn't appear to be anything malicious on Konami's part.
I'm actually a little flabbergasted at how this news was taken, since I merely told people my version was cut short and immediately I see posts on Twitter/news sites that the scene had been "cut." We're talking about two seconds here people. Focus on the real issues: lag and audio bugs.
Man, if I end up taking this back or switching to the Xbox version, it will be the fourth time I have played the first third of Silent Hill 2. (Never had a PS2 and the backwards compatibility for 2 on the 360 is terribly broken; make more than one save file and everything goes to hell.)
How can someone screw up a HD rerelease this badly? I'm not sure if bad PC ports have failed this hard!
I was looking forward to this. Always wanted to try Silent Hill. This just makes me sad. No buy until a fix and apology.
I was looking forward to this. Always wanted to try Silent Hill. This just makes me sad. No buy until a fix and apology.
How can someone screw up a HD rerelease this badly? I'm not sure if bad PC ports have failed this hard!
I was looking forward to this. Always wanted to try Silent Hill. This just makes me sad. No buy until a fix and apology.
I was looking forward to this. Always wanted to try Silent Hill. This just makes me sad. No buy until a fix and apology.
The ONLY time I noticed a audio syncing issue (about a half second off) was in the elevator of the alternate hospital (*spoilers*) when James is presented with the gameshow opportunity (using new voice actors, old are fine). The gameshow hosts voice goes faster than the subtitles and then Maria's response is late and not synced up. But then the scene is over and Audio corrects itself. So if that's the type of stuff people are crying about its very seldom and not that far off.
I was actually going to buy this on the way home from work the other day, never played any Silent Hill games before, but remember people talking about them in High School.
Kinda glad I didn't pick it up.
Kinda glad I didn't pick it up.
@Princeheir
Hijinks Games.. Or at least theres a Hijinks Games splash screen for one reason or another when the game starts.
@Dibidoolandas
Hate to sound rude, but who cares if you were amongst the first people to find a glitch? This isn't an undiscovered continent, theres no real point in claiming a glitch. Just say that you've found out that it might be just the PS3 and leave it at that.
As for the rest of what you said, I'd have to get to that part of the game on my 360 version to be able to tell if the problem happens there -the problems with the game seem too spotty at the moment to even say everyone will have the same issues or there was some sort of snuck in censorship.
Also, you do know if you were talking to gamers about something that maybe cut from the game without their knowledge, that implies any form of censorship, that they'll run to the moon and back with it before they'll ever see reason, right? Have we not had it proven in spades this month that gamers need very little reason to fly off the handle for the stupidest reasons?
Hijinks Games.. Or at least theres a Hijinks Games splash screen for one reason or another when the game starts.
@Dibidoolandas
Hate to sound rude, but who cares if you were amongst the first people to find a glitch? This isn't an undiscovered continent, theres no real point in claiming a glitch. Just say that you've found out that it might be just the PS3 and leave it at that.
As for the rest of what you said, I'd have to get to that part of the game on my 360 version to be able to tell if the problem happens there -the problems with the game seem too spotty at the moment to even say everyone will have the same issues or there was some sort of snuck in censorship.
Also, you do know if you were talking to gamers about something that maybe cut from the game without their knowledge, that implies any form of censorship, that they'll run to the moon and back with it before they'll ever see reason, right? Have we not had it proven in spades this month that gamers need very little reason to fly off the handle for the stupidest reasons?
@BoomingEchoes
I'm not sure if you understood what I was trying to say. The only reason I pointed out that I was one of the people initially claiming this was censorship is that I feel largely responsible for people across the internet claiming the game was "censored." I have seen articles on gaming sites linking to the video that I uploaded as evidence that a scene was cut from the game, which is largely blowing the problem out of proportion.
And in my defense, I was not being crass with my claims. My initial post on GameFAQs was posed as a question. I asked people if they had noticed it or if I was alone/mistaken, and many other people confirmed that they were missing the first two seconds also. Even after that, I started a new game and got to the apartments so I could take video myself. So I was not being irresponsible here, just pointing out something I'd seen.
Also, from what I've seen in playthroughs online, the 360 version has been spared this issue.
I'm not sure if you understood what I was trying to say. The only reason I pointed out that I was one of the people initially claiming this was censorship is that I feel largely responsible for people across the internet claiming the game was "censored." I have seen articles on gaming sites linking to the video that I uploaded as evidence that a scene was cut from the game, which is largely blowing the problem out of proportion.
And in my defense, I was not being crass with my claims. My initial post on GameFAQs was posed as a question. I asked people if they had noticed it or if I was alone/mistaken, and many other people confirmed that they were missing the first two seconds also. Even after that, I started a new game and got to the apartments so I could take video myself. So I was not being irresponsible here, just pointing out something I'd seen.
Also, from what I've seen in playthroughs online, the 360 version has been spared this issue.
Goddammit Konami
what's up with your frame rate problems jesus christ
I expect more from big name company. Show some respect for one of your most beloved franchise
what's up with your frame rate problems jesus christ
I expect more from big name company. Show some respect for one of your most beloved franchise
I'm SO glad I didn't buy this. Thanks for posting, Jim. I guess I'll just have to crack into the old Xbox/PS2 versions instead.
I personally haven't run into any glitches yet but then again, I am probably not that far into Silent Hill 2.
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