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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? is all I can say to that.
Then again, like with Final Fantasy, you can only expect me to buy crappy games before I write off a series and Silent Hill did that years ago for me.
Love how they are pulling a Lucas and trying to recon the GOOD Silent Hills into shite.
/queue flashback of new dance sequence/song in Return of the Jedi
Then again, like with Final Fantasy, you can only expect me to buy crappy games before I write off a series and Silent Hill did that years ago for me.
Love how they are pulling a Lucas and trying to recon the GOOD Silent Hills into shite.
/queue flashback of new dance sequence/song in Return of the Jedi
The idea of these collections is to draw in new players and give them a chance to play these games if they originally missed out, and the awful voice acting of those games is not going to help hook new players. It's unfortunate for fans who liked the original voice acting (for whatever reason) but it's not like the original versions are going anywhere.
If "Downpour" is Konami shitting on one of my dearest franchises, then this news is them wiping with that sandpaper-style TP found in public bathrooms. I'm seriously getting sick of watching Silent Hill get "modernized" in an attempt to make the series popular among mainstream gamers. What's next, Konami, telling me that the remakes of MGS 2 and 3 are gonna have the exact gameplay of MGS 4, or that DDR is now going to have an soundtrack consisting purely of modern American pop?
Wouldn't it be easier to just pay the damn residuals instead of redoing everything? I think they just want to redo it because his work may suck.
I don`t get why actors/musicians get residuals. If an engineer builds a car, he gets paid once, no matter if they reuse his engine in the next one. If I configure a webserver, and some dude comes and clones all my config files, I still just got paid just that one time... You know, stuff like that
I don`t get why actors/musicians get residuals. If an engineer builds a car, he gets paid once, no matter if they reuse his engine in the next one. If I configure a webserver, and some dude comes and clones all my config files, I still just got paid just that one time... You know, stuff like that
Not sure why people are so upset about this. Was his performance that good? I honestly can't remember being blown away by it.
As long as the new voice is good, then I don't care. Maybe Konami thought they could do better? I don't know, and I'm certainly not going to form an opinion about that unless I get Konami's side of the story.
As long as the new voice is good, then I don't care. Maybe Konami thought they could do better? I don't know, and I'm certainly not going to form an opinion about that unless I get Konami's side of the story.
I've played Silent Hill 2 twice over the years and SH3 about four times, and I don't have the vaguest recollection of what the voice actors sounded like. As long as the new performances are solid, the change won't matter to me in the slightest.
I for one am pleased with this news. I have absolutely 0 fondness for the original voice acting in those games. Any changes to the voice acting can only improve the experience.
I would be ok with this if you had the option to use the old voices, but if it's about $$, that won't happen. I don't recall the voices from 3 much but Maria and James voices are pretty iconic and particular I think...
Well, his performance was good, but maybe the new one will be better
Anyway, I donīt know why veteran gamers would buy this collection, where 2 and 3 are incredibly cheap on PC and any PC can run them in almost HD with max settings
Anyway, I donīt know why veteran gamers would buy this collection, where 2 and 3 are incredibly cheap on PC and any PC can run them in almost HD with max settings
The problem is, as we all know, the new voice actors won't be any good not matter how good or bad the original VAs were.
"This news is pretty crazy and has certainly dampened my excitement for the collection."
I do not understand why you feel that way, and I'm a huge fan of SH2. I don't see how it's crazy at all. I assume they want to improve the audio quality, and instead of going with actors who are ten years older than when they first recorded the lines, it seems like the best idea is to get the best voice actors they can. There certainly is a bigger and better pool of those than in the early days of gaming.
If the voice acting is good, then I'll be happy, if it's awful, then I'll be sad. I'm definitely not going to get bent out of shape simply because it's different.
I do not understand why you feel that way, and I'm a huge fan of SH2. I don't see how it's crazy at all. I assume they want to improve the audio quality, and instead of going with actors who are ten years older than when they first recorded the lines, it seems like the best idea is to get the best voice actors they can. There certainly is a bigger and better pool of those than in the early days of gaming.
If the voice acting is good, then I'll be happy, if it's awful, then I'll be sad. I'm definitely not going to get bent out of shape simply because it's different.
@BlazBlue ALMOST HD? I played SH2 at 2560x1440 after hex editing the executable. ;) That game did fairly well shifting to widescreen as well interestingly enough.
On something like an HD re-release of a classic game, a major selling point of the package is nostalgia for the original. Fans almost never like any changes at all made in any of these remakes. It can't be that expensive to pay for reuse of vocals and mocap, don't understand why this is happening.
The original voice acting from SH2 was terrible, so I'm excited. At the same time, Konami dodging residuals is pretty dick.
@pakota
Then why not just have the same voice actor reprise his role then?
Sorry, but u don't sound like much of a die-hard sh2 fan to me...
Then why not just have the same voice actor reprise his role then?
Sorry, but u don't sound like much of a die-hard sh2 fan to me...
I'm not upset in the least about this. New graphics, new sound, new voices -- it's the territory of a remake. I loved SH2 and enjoyed 3, but the voice acting wasn't so iconic that it made the games for me or anything.
Remember MGS: Twin Snakes? They kept the same voice cast (mostly) but rerecorded every line of dialogue, directing most of the voice actors to drop their accents (Naomi, Mei Ling and Nastasha come to mind). The voice acting was much more memorable in MGS1 than SH2/3, and despite the fact that the rerecorded dialogue was arguably worse, it didn't make Twin Snakes any less enjoyable. I think this will be fine.
I just wonder if this means they're retranslating the game, too.
Remember MGS: Twin Snakes? They kept the same voice cast (mostly) but rerecorded every line of dialogue, directing most of the voice actors to drop their accents (Naomi, Mei Ling and Nastasha come to mind). The voice acting was much more memorable in MGS1 than SH2/3, and despite the fact that the rerecorded dialogue was arguably worse, it didn't make Twin Snakes any less enjoyable. I think this will be fine.
I just wonder if this means they're retranslating the game, too.
The SHII voices were cheesy, but they have that awesome air of nostalgia about them. I'll probably never forget the scene where Billy (was that his name?) is talking crazy and pretends to fire the gun against his head, nor the canon ending where James is crying over what he did. It's not the best, sure, but a lot of today's voice acting is even worse because they don't even try. At least SHII had earnest creation put into it.
If they're not paying the voice-actors, does that mean we might get different versions of the song 'You're Not Here' and 'Hometown' from Silent Hill 3? Because they both use voice actors from the game.
Well...let's judge when we hear the voices later, ok? Might be o-k, might be better, might be worse, you never know!
However if it goes bad...if Leslie Nielson was still alive, I would have paid him infinite amounts of cash to do the voice of pyramid head.
Anyway, the most important question of course, which all the fans I'm sure are asking themselves, is this:
Who is doing the new voice of the dog in SH2?
However if it goes bad...if Leslie Nielson was still alive, I would have paid him infinite amounts of cash to do the voice of pyramid head.
Anyway, the most important question of course, which all the fans I'm sure are asking themselves, is this:
Who is doing the new voice of the dog in SH2?
Hmmm... this... could be good? Remember when RE1 got remade with new actors? Although SH2&3 already had more than decent actors. Hope for the best, is all I'll say.
This makes me rather upset on the inside. Mr. Cihi needs to get his money from Konami if they go through with this. I really hope Cihi auditions again.
I suddenly don't even give a shit about this anymore. Fuck Konami. Silent Hill is dead in terms of quality. They've clearly shown they don't know what they fuck they are doing anymore.
Recasting voice actors in a game that is beloved as one of the best examples, if not the best example, of atmospheric gaming should be a crime, no matter what the casual fan thinks.
Silent Hill was a franchise that achieved gaming brilliance with their flaws on display, not in spite of them. Trying to "fix" these flaws is no different than trying to fix works of art in a museum using modern techniques.
Konami has shown a massive lack of respect for this franchise in recent times, and the modern "who cares as long as it looks, plays, and sounds better than the original" show that same lack of respect for the games that got our industry to the levels it is at now. You don't "fix" what isn't broken, especially when what isn't broken is considered a masterpiece.
Silent Hill was a franchise that achieved gaming brilliance with their flaws on display, not in spite of them. Trying to "fix" these flaws is no different than trying to fix works of art in a museum using modern techniques.
Konami has shown a massive lack of respect for this franchise in recent times, and the modern "who cares as long as it looks, plays, and sounds better than the original" show that same lack of respect for the games that got our industry to the levels it is at now. You don't "fix" what isn't broken, especially when what isn't broken is considered a masterpiece.
It's really unfair to say this is a crappy move on Konami's part, because they may just be trying to improve the quality of it and focus on telling a story well rather than nursing nostalgia. I haven't played these games, so for me this sounds alright. If it's anything like the original, it could use the touchup, and risk of losing that nostalgia doesn't affect me in the slightest. They're likely trying to attract new players as opposed to the ones who already have these games.
And if this is what's happening, of course the old actor is going to be upset about losing his paycheck. Not saying anything is for certain here, but you can't damn either parties when we don't know the true motivation behind this decision. As someone said, there's a good chance hiring new actors for a much more established series is going to cost more money than keeping the old performances.
And if this is what's happening, of course the old actor is going to be upset about losing his paycheck. Not saying anything is for certain here, but you can't damn either parties when we don't know the true motivation behind this decision. As someone said, there's a good chance hiring new actors for a much more established series is going to cost more money than keeping the old performances.
to people asking why this is bad news: remember when george lucas "remastered" the original starwars films, adding in ridiculous amounts of CGI crap that didn't really gel with the original puppet/animatronic/miniature style of the film ? its like that. its shitting on your memories.
a similar example was Twin Snakes, which redid the entire game's voice acting, using most of the same actors, but the second time they all phoned it in.
Konami, just pay the fucking guy, you'll lose more in sales than it'll cost you to just pay him, if you release an inferior product.
a similar example was Twin Snakes, which redid the entire game's voice acting, using most of the same actors, but the second time they all phoned it in.
Konami, just pay the fucking guy, you'll lose more in sales than it'll cost you to just pay him, if you release an inferior product.
I'm disappointed that they seem to have cheated Guy out of money, but provided the voices are well-done, I don't mind the changes.
@OneRed
Not that I disagree with you at all, but haven't they already altered said masterpiece by updating it to HD?
Not that I disagree with you at all, but haven't they already altered said masterpiece by updating it to HD?
Well that is dissapionting. I am more than likely going to dust off my ps2 and just re-buy them for it rather than getting a game that has change something that I liked about that game and getting something potentially terrible.
Silent Hill 2's voice work was more awkward than it was bad.
I hated Douglas' voice from SH3, though.
I hated Douglas' voice from SH3, though.
The way he says it though it makes it seem like he's asking or more than konami is willing to pay...I'm curious to know who the evil side it... And no in not gonna jump to his defense by just taking his side of it
I've never been able to get into either one of these games, so I guess a change in voices won't really affect me.
@Pacopaco
No more than a remastered version of Sgt. Pepper's or Blade Runner alters the works of The Beatles and Ridley Scott. Some people prefer the pops and pings of a record, while some prefer the clean sounds of a CD, but the artist's work remains unchanged.
An HD update doesn't change much of anything besides allowing you to experience the games on a modern TV without it looking like ass. Now, if they decided to remove the fog that was only originally present because of the lack of processing power meant draw distances were crap, or recast the voice actors because they can now afford better? Well that doesn't just change how the game can be experienced should you so choose, but the experience itself on a basic level.
I wan't a new generation of gamer to experience this game, if the brand recognition itself would bring in players that would never have played that kind of game, and show them that they can actually go out and buy fun games that arent Call of Duty or God of War. But I wan't them to experience the game for what it was/is, not for what Konami thinks they will like.
No more than a remastered version of Sgt. Pepper's or Blade Runner alters the works of The Beatles and Ridley Scott. Some people prefer the pops and pings of a record, while some prefer the clean sounds of a CD, but the artist's work remains unchanged.
An HD update doesn't change much of anything besides allowing you to experience the games on a modern TV without it looking like ass. Now, if they decided to remove the fog that was only originally present because of the lack of processing power meant draw distances were crap, or recast the voice actors because they can now afford better? Well that doesn't just change how the game can be experienced should you so choose, but the experience itself on a basic level.
I wan't a new generation of gamer to experience this game, if the brand recognition itself would bring in players that would never have played that kind of game, and show them that they can actually go out and buy fun games that arent Call of Duty or God of War. But I wan't them to experience the game for what it was/is, not for what Konami thinks they will like.
I don't think Konami realize how much the original localization was a fluke for working out as well as it did.
Go listen to some Silent Hill 2 scenes on youtube. It's not perfect, but it is more or less unique having a soft voice like Cihi's on a main character. And keep in mind that it's his mo-cap and partial likeness, so there's synergy there that will be broken if they put Nolan North or some other voice actor more suited to comic delivery on it.
I can take or leave all the others, though I'm sure some people would feel the same way about Maria's voice actor.
It's just a shame that Konami don't seem to know they made a perfect game already, and all it needs is a fresh coat of paint. Too much tampering with what made the original strong ruins many of these game remakes.
Go listen to some Silent Hill 2 scenes on youtube. It's not perfect, but it is more or less unique having a soft voice like Cihi's on a main character. And keep in mind that it's his mo-cap and partial likeness, so there's synergy there that will be broken if they put Nolan North or some other voice actor more suited to comic delivery on it.
I can take or leave all the others, though I'm sure some people would feel the same way about Maria's voice actor.
It's just a shame that Konami don't seem to know they made a perfect game already, and all it needs is a fresh coat of paint. Too much tampering with what made the original strong ruins many of these game remakes.
The voice acting in SH2 was pretty fucking bad. And I just played it a few months ago. I don't think Konami gives 2 shits about paying the guy, they just have a chance to make the voices, you know, actually decent.
The voice acting in SH2 was pretty fucking bad. And I just played it a few months ago. I don't think Konami gives 2 shits about paying the guy, they just have a chance to make the voices, you know, actually decent.
@tekbunny
If by "die-hard" you mean complaining about any change, positive or otherwise, then no, I'm not. The voice acting was not why I enjoyed Silent Hill 2.
I'm simply not going to go into a rage about a change that I likely won't notice once I start playing. I'm not going to lapse into a melodramatic swoon and proclaim that my memories have been shattered (ha). It just isn't likely to be a big deal except to the people who WANT it to be a big deal. Because, you know, SONIC HAS GREEN EYES WTF!2
But, really, gamers are a melodramatic lot. I'm not surprised.
If by "die-hard" you mean complaining about any change, positive or otherwise, then no, I'm not. The voice acting was not why I enjoyed Silent Hill 2.
I'm simply not going to go into a rage about a change that I likely won't notice once I start playing. I'm not going to lapse into a melodramatic swoon and proclaim that my memories have been shattered (ha). It just isn't likely to be a big deal except to the people who WANT it to be a big deal. Because, you know, SONIC HAS GREEN EYES WTF!2
But, really, gamers are a melodramatic lot. I'm not surprised.
Not pointing out anyone in particular, but why do some PC gamers seem to actively try to be so annoying?
@OneRed
Cool. Just curious to see where you personally draw the line on the issue. :D
Though on a side note not meant to continue any debate - I have to say that I rather disliked the remastered (i.e. stereo instead of mono) Beatles CDs and have seen a fair number of remastered DVDs and Blurays that have left the original work a visually garbled mess.
@ZeeJayTL
"And no in not gonna jump to his defense by just taking his side of it"
You are a very wise man/woman/cat.
Cool. Just curious to see where you personally draw the line on the issue. :D
Though on a side note not meant to continue any debate - I have to say that I rather disliked the remastered (i.e. stereo instead of mono) Beatles CDs and have seen a fair number of remastered DVDs and Blurays that have left the original work a visually garbled mess.
@ZeeJayTL
"And no in not gonna jump to his defense by just taking his side of it"
You are a very wise man/woman/cat.
@King Sshi: Boo! I loved that guy. He had a tone of a father that we don't hear much from in games. Not to mention the actor behind him is dead now, so that kind of sucks that they are overdubbing his role.
I am not liking Silent Hill anymore. It pains be, but I moved on. Why is this series even around anymore? Money, sure - banking off fans who eagerly await to see if the next title is anything like the ones that Konami is currently giving the shaft on.
Still, why look forward to the next Silent Hill game at all? The series is never going back to its "roots". That's fine. We still have the original games (even this pointless "HD collections" if you prefer). So, why move forward with this franchise when it is way beyond past its prime?
LET IT DIE.
I am not liking Silent Hill anymore. It pains be, but I moved on. Why is this series even around anymore? Money, sure - banking off fans who eagerly await to see if the next title is anything like the ones that Konami is currently giving the shaft on.
Still, why look forward to the next Silent Hill game at all? The series is never going back to its "roots". That's fine. We still have the original games (even this pointless "HD collections" if you prefer). So, why move forward with this franchise when it is way beyond past its prime?
LET IT DIE.
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