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still think the idea seems interesting/fun. may still try it out. im certainly not butthurt that it's a little different
Should Konami be bothered to worry about purists when SH games are selling 200k at best? Downpour was a bomb.
There's room for spinoffs in Silent Hill, but I think part of the juvenile response is because 3DS got a proper RE game while Vita is not getting a console-esque Silent Hill, which PSP got in SH Origins once before.
Then again I dont know why people take SH seriously. I just see them as the Twilight Zone of video games.
Then again I dont know why people take SH seriously. I just see them as the Twilight Zone of video games.
Somebody should make an online multiplayer FPS Silent hill game.
If the game looked good though I wouldn't care about them whoring out the franchise.
If the game looked good though I wouldn't care about them whoring out the franchise.
I just find it odd that you've been using the "it doesn't hamper your enjoyment of the old games in the series" argument so much lately, Jim. I don't think I've ever see anyone argue that point, of course it doesn't mean that the old games suddenly disappear into the gaming ether.
I, personally, just don't see the point in acting as though these developers are being asked to enrich the "lore", or bring new experiences to these franchises. They seem to be, for the most part, being asked to take these franchises and make them into something with a wider appeal. Having seen so many of my favorite franchises turn into action/cinematic/visceral combat games this generation, I think it's hard to argue that these series "evolutions" are at all as organic as the word evolution would imply.
I don't have much of anything against this game at the moment, as little as the Silent Hill fan in me wants to, as the series has been mostly dead in my eyes since I was 17. At the very least I can say that an isometric dungeon crawler with Silent Hill stickers on it sounds much more appealing then the faux horror games that have had the name on their boxes since Silent Hill 4.
At the end of the day, though, this isn't Metroid going first person. This game could be a brilliant dungeon crawler and a shitty Silent Hill game at the same time, I just don't think the two notions are mutually exclusive.
I, personally, just don't see the point in acting as though these developers are being asked to enrich the "lore", or bring new experiences to these franchises. They seem to be, for the most part, being asked to take these franchises and make them into something with a wider appeal. Having seen so many of my favorite franchises turn into action/cinematic/visceral combat games this generation, I think it's hard to argue that these series "evolutions" are at all as organic as the word evolution would imply.
I don't have much of anything against this game at the moment, as little as the Silent Hill fan in me wants to, as the series has been mostly dead in my eyes since I was 17. At the very least I can say that an isometric dungeon crawler with Silent Hill stickers on it sounds much more appealing then the faux horror games that have had the name on their boxes since Silent Hill 4.
At the end of the day, though, this isn't Metroid going first person. This game could be a brilliant dungeon crawler and a shitty Silent Hill game at the same time, I just don't think the two notions are mutually exclusive.
Pyramid Head isn't dragging his sword around!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's about all that upset me in the slightest. Looks damned solid. Will buy.
Also dat music.
That's about all that upset me in the slightest. Looks damned solid. Will buy.
Also dat music.
@Jim
Can I dislike the game because it looks like a boring, ugly dungeon crawler? Can I dislike DmC because it looks extremely juvenile with all the f-bombs?
Also, you've recently been very defensive of franchises that have changed their way. (DmC and this game in particular) Are you gonna do a Jimquisition on the subject?
Can I dislike the game because it looks like a boring, ugly dungeon crawler? Can I dislike DmC because it looks extremely juvenile with all the f-bombs?
Also, you've recently been very defensive of franchises that have changed their way. (DmC and this game in particular) Are you gonna do a Jimquisition on the subject?
Yeah, I'm so pissed off about this I'm not going to buy a Vita that has all those new, fantastic games on it!
In all seriousness, I was worried until I heard WayForward was doing this. They've yet to do wrong in my experience. Speaking of which, I should really pick up that Aliens game sometime.
In all seriousness, I was worried until I heard WayForward was doing this. They've yet to do wrong in my experience. Speaking of which, I should really pick up that Aliens game sometime.
@ex275w
Its Jim, he will always have the contrarian opinion to bring in the hits and troll his retarded fanbase, don't pay attention to anything he says.
I personally think the game looks terrible.
Its Jim, he will always have the contrarian opinion to bring in the hits and troll his retarded fanbase, don't pay attention to anything he says.
I personally think the game looks terrible.
If this game is supposed to be canon then pyrmaid head doesn't need to be in the game. I hate that people dont realize that the monsters are supposed to be influenced by the main characters personality
@Kyousuke Nanbu
I hate it when people generalize about criticism, like oh: "DmC haters hate the game because Dante has black hair." This just leads people to ignore or devalue other criticisms. There are other reasons to hate the game than petty reasons, which are most of the time the most common ones.
I hate it when people generalize about criticism, like oh: "DmC haters hate the game because Dante has black hair." This just leads people to ignore or devalue other criticisms. There are other reasons to hate the game than petty reasons, which are most of the time the most common ones.
@Adrian Smith
It's not canon, they've said this already. And even if it was, there'd be no way to reference it since all the characters are user created.
It's not canon, they've said this already. And even if it was, there'd be no way to reference it since all the characters are user created.
SH is the only mainstream horror series right now that hasn't gone shooty shooty boom boom Michael Bay in the main games. yet Book of Memories, a spinoff game, is being crucified. I don't get it.
Silent Hill The Arcade is a light gun SHOOTER made by Konami Japan and I see no complaints.
Resident Evil 6 has gone big time action horror with explosions in the main series of games. I'm sure it will be an excellent game, but that is a main game in the RE series losing its survival horror origins. Yet Downpour, whether you liked it or not, attempted to be modern survival horror. Does that not earn some respect?
But here we are with Book of Memories, a game no one has really played yet, being hated and hated and deemed the death of the Silent Hill series. As a fan, I am fed up with seeing this baseless crucifixion of something that's a spinoff in a game that's trying to remain survival horror in the core line of games.
Silent Hill The Arcade is a light gun SHOOTER made by Konami Japan and I see no complaints.
Resident Evil 6 has gone big time action horror with explosions in the main series of games. I'm sure it will be an excellent game, but that is a main game in the RE series losing its survival horror origins. Yet Downpour, whether you liked it or not, attempted to be modern survival horror. Does that not earn some respect?
But here we are with Book of Memories, a game no one has really played yet, being hated and hated and deemed the death of the Silent Hill series. As a fan, I am fed up with seeing this baseless crucifixion of something that's a spinoff in a game that's trying to remain survival horror in the core line of games.
How many times must I repeat this?
WAYFORWARD MADE SHANTAE, MIGHTY SERIES, AND THE UPCOMING ADVENTURE TIME GAME.
From all th efanboys, I expect an apology. And a backrub.
WAYFORWARD MADE SHANTAE, MIGHTY SERIES, AND THE UPCOMING ADVENTURE TIME GAME.
From all th efanboys, I expect an apology. And a backrub.
@Arsenic13
Silent Hill: The Arcade only came out in Japan and Europe, so it's probably very obscure.
A lot of people were never happy with Resident Evil 4-6, and the action spinoffs. Resi 6 seems to be more survival horror than 4 and 5, so they are happy (also it hasn't come out yet).
Never played Downpour, but it seems an OK game. Book of memories for me seems like a boring dungeon crawler, a lot of people think Silent Hill shouldn't have spinoffs and just concentrate on recreating 2.
Silent Hill: The Arcade only came out in Japan and Europe, so it's probably very obscure.
A lot of people were never happy with Resident Evil 4-6, and the action spinoffs. Resi 6 seems to be more survival horror than 4 and 5, so they are happy (also it hasn't come out yet).
Never played Downpour, but it seems an OK game. Book of memories for me seems like a boring dungeon crawler, a lot of people think Silent Hill shouldn't have spinoffs and just concentrate on recreating 2.
The Silent Hill fanbase is ridiculous. I think the game looks like it'll be fun, and I love that they're experimenting with things; it seems to be a love letter to the series. I don't understand the hate. I can understand people thinking "this doesn't look like a game I want to play, so I'll pass", but "YOU'RE RUINING THE SERIES HOW DARE YOU FUCK YOU KONAMI"?
They need to grow up.
They need to grow up.
I've actually played Silent Hill Arcade recently. It was only for about 10 minutes, but it was long enough to see Pyramid Head pop up and throw leechs at me. Also, everyone sounded like a House of the Dead character, making the game GLORIOUS.
Wayforward is making it, so it will probably be good. I don't give a fuck if it's not a "real" silent hill game.
Yeah, I've played the Silent Hill light gun game, and I thought it was a fairly good light gun game. That's the thing about a game like that; not unlike kart racing games, and other kinds of spinoffs, they're meant to be fun side additions more than anything.
The difference between something like Chocobo's Dungeon and this game is that, at the time of its release, Final Fantasy was having an incredible PSX run. The infinitely mediocre Chocobo kart racing game fell under that same umbrella. Silent Hill, though, has very obviously moved quite a ways from the basic tenants that made it such a hit, and to release a game that moves even further from those tenants?
I know there are unreasonable people who will cry foul regardless, but given the state of the series, and indeed the landscape of gaming itself, I don't think the base argument is an unreasonable one. If this spinoff came during a time where Silent Hill was still a true highly cerebral horror game, there wouldn't be nearly as much a response. It's not, though, and this game is coming during a time where Silent Hill has gone very mainstream; during a time where fans of what the old games were feel abandoned, and I think to continue moving away from what made Silent Hill Silent Hill is going to create a situation like this regardless of how good this game ends up being.
The difference between something like Chocobo's Dungeon and this game is that, at the time of its release, Final Fantasy was having an incredible PSX run. The infinitely mediocre Chocobo kart racing game fell under that same umbrella. Silent Hill, though, has very obviously moved quite a ways from the basic tenants that made it such a hit, and to release a game that moves even further from those tenants?
I know there are unreasonable people who will cry foul regardless, but given the state of the series, and indeed the landscape of gaming itself, I don't think the base argument is an unreasonable one. If this spinoff came during a time where Silent Hill was still a true highly cerebral horror game, there wouldn't be nearly as much a response. It's not, though, and this game is coming during a time where Silent Hill has gone very mainstream; during a time where fans of what the old games were feel abandoned, and I think to continue moving away from what made Silent Hill Silent Hill is going to create a situation like this regardless of how good this game ends up being.
Looks like a fun dungeon crawler, but not a good Silent Hill game.
I wish WayForward would stick to 2D.
I wish WayForward would stick to 2D.
I'm a hardcore SH fan thanks to the old games (1-3). I'm not furious there's an interesting spinoff- I'm furious Downpour and other recent SH games are comparative shit compared to the Japanese made games.
I mean who are these purists who don't buy their games anyways, its like all the MML fans who are boycotting Capcom but who were never going to buy games like Dragon's Dogma, Lost Planet, or RE6 even if they got MML3.
Games like Homecoming and Downpour never sold well in the first place.
Games like Homecoming and Downpour never sold well in the first place.
this game doesn't look like its going to be good at all, Nothing wrong with spinoffs however this just looks like a bad and cheaply produced game.
Horror already died with Homecoming. Konami doesn't seem understand that people want more like SH 1-3 and less like RE4.
Vatra at least made a good effort.
Vatra at least made a good effort.
Katt Williams said it best I think:
"So what she/he keeps talking about you and hating on you. What do you think a "hater's" job is.. To hate. If you have someone hating on you right now you better think of how to get 5 more ppl hating by Christmas. You need haters to make you stronger.. Without haters most people wouldn't try to become better. Just tell them "bitch you just hate me because you can't be me..."
Thats really it, no matter how I feel about the Silent Hill game. I'm still going to try it, because thats the only way to truly judge.. Till then I still don't think they needed to do what they did to get where they got, I don't know if it was too many steps or what, but they don't seem to need half the elements they talked about having put it.
But I also don't feel like I'm a "hater" like others have really been.. I'm at least willing to say I'm looking forward to giving the game a shot.
And honestly Jim, you "hated" right alone with everyone else before you got to actually sit with the game and play it. It's like I said in a prior post about the game a few days ago: I think this is going to be a very "seeing is believing" game. Its not going to sell itself easily, it needs A LOT more of a push from Konami to sell, that they simply aren't going to put the effort into.
"So what she/he keeps talking about you and hating on you. What do you think a "hater's" job is.. To hate. If you have someone hating on you right now you better think of how to get 5 more ppl hating by Christmas. You need haters to make you stronger.. Without haters most people wouldn't try to become better. Just tell them "bitch you just hate me because you can't be me..."
Thats really it, no matter how I feel about the Silent Hill game. I'm still going to try it, because thats the only way to truly judge.. Till then I still don't think they needed to do what they did to get where they got, I don't know if it was too many steps or what, but they don't seem to need half the elements they talked about having put it.
But I also don't feel like I'm a "hater" like others have really been.. I'm at least willing to say I'm looking forward to giving the game a shot.
And honestly Jim, you "hated" right alone with everyone else before you got to actually sit with the game and play it. It's like I said in a prior post about the game a few days ago: I think this is going to be a very "seeing is believing" game. Its not going to sell itself easily, it needs A LOT more of a push from Konami to sell, that they simply aren't going to put the effort into.
Silent Hill: another excellent Konami IP that was brought low by the company's idiotic decisions. It's beyond me why they took it away from the original developers in their own Tokyo studio and just started whoring the IP to every untested and inept developer they could find. Oh, and I'll postpone passing judgment on Book of Memories until it's out and reviewed to death.
The series hasn't been good since Silent Hill 3, so I don't understand why people are complaining now all of a sudden.
"and I doubt Book of Memories will become the official future of the franchise"
You mean the artificial future of a series that has been dead since 2004? Who cares if this game is good or not? Who cares how many developers kind-of-sort-of get it right? The very essence of what Silent Hill was, is gone, along with Team Silent, and nothing that comes out with the Silent Hill stamp on it, will meaningfully expand or enrich the core of the idea of Silent Hill.
You can forcefully make a franchise out of a name but not of the idea.
You mean the artificial future of a series that has been dead since 2004? Who cares if this game is good or not? Who cares how many developers kind-of-sort-of get it right? The very essence of what Silent Hill was, is gone, along with Team Silent, and nothing that comes out with the Silent Hill stamp on it, will meaningfully expand or enrich the core of the idea of Silent Hill.
You can forcefully make a franchise out of a name but not of the idea.
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