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Should you even die once in a well-designed game? photo

How hard should a video game be? Should it tromp on your skull the whole way through until you break multiple controllers in aggravation? Or should it hold your hand throughout, offering a plethora of tutorials and stages easy enough for anyone to complete? Of course, the obvious answer is somewhere in between the two, but I think that it is even a little more complicated than that.

Take dying, for example. Losing a life in a video game is obviously something you want to avoid as often as possible. Heck, in Contra you can only do it three times before you have to start all over again (without the code, of course). So if you are a good player, why should it even happen once? In a perfectly designed game shouldn’t you be able to make it through an entire quest without ever seeing a “Game Over” screen?

Find out why I think so after the jump.

Most gamers would argue that you have to die a lot of times to get better. Kind of like with anything in life, you have to practice something before you can master it. One could never expect to walk onto a football field tomorrow and immediately throw a winning pass without first having months and months of training. You could hand me a trumpet right now and there is pretty much no chance that anything melodious would come out of it. Give me a year, though, and you may have a different story. So why then are video games any different?

When you play Super Mario Bros. for the first time you have no idea how to master it. It takes multiple tries to finally learn what is coming and give you the required skills to make it to the flag at the end of every level, right? Yeah, but that doesn’t make it okay. Video games and video game players alike have grown accustomed to a system of “trial and error” that has become the norm in the industry today. And I think that is a serious problem.

Some games are challenging solely because of their poor game design. Take a game like Total Recall for the NES. That game is downright impossible. Not only are the controls completely wonky, but there is so much stuff being thrown at you at all times that the game just turns into a chore. Add in the fact that there is almost no sense of which way to go in the poorly executed levels and you have a big ol' hot mess. These kinds of games are completely unfair and, even if you were a master game player, could never be beat without dying at least once.

It’s like giving a professional race car driver a car that always gets a flat tire. The driver could be the most talented stock car racer in the world, but if his equipment is bad, he will never stand a chance of winning anything. Games like Total Recall offer no hope for the player whatsoever, regardless of skill level.

Things start to get fuzzy once you focus on games that actually are genuinely well-designed (and well-received). One of my favorite games of last year, Gears of War, has so many things going for it. The graphics are perfection, the control is solid, and the challenge is pretty comparable to what most players are looking for in a successful, entertaining game. But there were plenty of places in Gears where I would die constantly, having to try again multiple times.

I have to admit, the satisfaction I got when defeating an extremely tough enemy was pretty darn rewarding. But how is a game where a player is pretty much guaranteed to die several times at certain parts not considered as sloppily designed as something like Total Recall? Why is it excusable for a gamer to have to keep trying something over and over until he/she finally conquers it?

You may have to humor me on this analogy, but bear with me for a second. If I was a soldier fighting a war I would have to approach each battle with as much strategy and skill as I could muster. It would be real life, so I would only get one shot at whatever I was trying to attempt. Yes, I could throw myself in front of the enemy, bullets flying, screaming at the top of my lungs with my shirt half ripped open (showing the world my impossibly huge six-pack), but that would most likely result in me, well, dying. If I were smart, I would strategize and use all the skills I had learned up to that point to take on the enemy in the best way possible, thus insuring a victory. I would only have one shot -- I would need to make it count.

But if this was a scenario from a video game, I could do whatever I wanted with no real consequences (there is always a checkpoint or continue waiting in the wings). I could hop out from behind a rock, let the enemy kill me, learn its pattern, and try once again (knowing this time what was coming).

If real life battles were akin to something like Devil May Cry 3 no one would ever survive and there would be no victories. I would give you everything I have ever owned if you could show me someone who picked up Devil May Cry 3 for the first time and beat the game without dying once. Seriously, I would even make the same offer if you took the best DMC3 player in the world and asked him/her to do the same thing. It probably wouldn’t happen. Playing video games is a skill all of us have worked hard honing over the years. Shouldn’t we be rewarded for this improvement rather than punished with increasingly harder and more frustrating games? High skill levels should come with benefits!

So what does all this bitching and ranting mean, Chad? What can be done to make you happy? Well, first off, I am very happy. I love video games more than anyone and I don’t mind utilizing “trial and error” to beat most of the games out there. Gosh, I am so used to it after all these years I can’t expect it to change overnight. But there are definitely some things that designers can do to really work on what it means for a game to be “hard.” Challenge should not be based on how many times a game kills you.

First off, get rid of the “cheap tricks.” This is the most common thing games utilize to increase the challenge level and one that I could easily do without. Mega Man 2 is one of my favorite games of all time, but think about how ridiculously hard levels like the Heat Man stage were. In one of the most challenging sections, a set of bricks you must hop across appear and disappear in an obvious pattern. Of course, all of this is done over a molten river, so one wrong jump results in an instant blue explosion (accompanied by that Mega Man death sound we all know too well).

This level is totally classic and a great memory from my childhood, but, honestly, it almost completely relies on the player retrying the jumps over and over again until said pattern is memorized. There is almost no chance of anyone making it past this on the first try. It just isn’t designed that way. Same thing goes for Battletoads, as anyone who has experienced the hover bike sections can attest. Without “trial and error” and memorization those levels would be, literally, impossible. That just doesn’t seem right and is definitely not an example of good design.

Secondly, and maybe most importantly, satisfaction should not come solely from beating a game that killed you more times than any other. I remember patting myself on the back the first time I beat the original Castlevania. Hell, I think I actually threw myself a little parade. It was an immensely satisfying feeling to complete a game that had no shame in throwing effin’ Medusa heads at you while you tried to navigate some narrow gears (yeah, Castlevania, that’s fair).

Just recently, though, I went back to play the game again and realized it was not “fun” hard; it was just “annoyingly” hard. I lost more lives defeating Frankenstein alone than I think I did in God of War in its entirely. And, technically, Frankenstein really shouldn't be that hard when compared to an overly complicated battle with, say, the Hydra!

I am not asking for all games to be so easy that you can’t even die if you tried. Nor am I screaming for the reverse, cheap tricks added to just make the game easier (really, Wind Waker? I only lose half a heart for falling in that pit of lava?). I just challenge game makers to design a game that offers the possibility of completing it without once losing a life. Sure, I guess it is possible to beat any game without dying. I mean, just the fact that it can be beat means there has to be a chance, regardless of how slim it may be. But how much more rewarding would it feel to beat a really hard game because of the skills you learned along the way, not just based on how well you can memorize things.

I am not going to pretend there are any concrete answers (because there may not be). I have a huge respect for video game designers and think almost all the games mentioned above are works of art. It is just time for a change. This is a new generation for the industry and a lot of us are becoming pros at playing video games. Instead of trying to match our mad skills by just ramping up the challenge unfairly, game designers should embrace creative new ways to offer an experience that is both challenging and fair (since you must be curious, I feel like ICO and Prince of Persia: Sands of Time have come the closest so far to perfecting this).

Hopefully the days of the “Game Over” screen are long gone.


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Mxyzptlk's Avatar
Mxyzptlk at 04/20/2007 17:03
I agree about Prince of Persia: Sands of Time. That game has excellent balance, I never once felt it was being too cheap with me.
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Jsun at 04/20/2007 17:04
First. The character deaths don't really belong any more. For instance, In Dynasty Warriors you can be defeated, but you can't actually die. I rather get the retry screen then the crappy game over one.
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Rockvillian at 04/20/2007 17:11
Viewtiful Joe really tested my patience in the death area to the point where I gave it away to someone. I couldn't deal with seeing the same damn cutscenes and levels over and over again, not to mention the looping music. If they want me to try again, at least make it painless and fast.
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Cruds at 04/20/2007 17:12
Kojima had this idea once, a game that didn't cost too much but if you died the disk didn't play anymore.
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MrBAMF at 04/20/2007 17:16
im ok with dieing 2-4 times...but NO MORE!
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imbeta at 04/20/2007 17:17
I love God of War myself... and the resident evil series... but mostly its all about the content of it... the puzzles, the epic gameplay, the zombies... you call it... I however SUCK at playing games myself... so I always go for easy... so i think the way things are, you know... OPTIONS, is perfect...

Which has LITTLE to do with TIGHT controls, however... if a game is well designed, this plays a BIG role... like MARIO BROS, everyone loves it cause it tight. And simple or not... it all comes down to content and gameplay.
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velcroman at 04/20/2007 17:18
yeah, the first picture definitely looks like it has a penis in it.
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Namelessted at 04/20/2007 17:19
Good article Kokomo. This is actually a subject we discussed in one of my classes this semester. It was more specifically level design. There are parts in games like gears that you just aren't going to beat the first time. Shooters are more of a skill game to begin with, so when they throw in mines and sniper posts and turrets that you don't know exist and you automatically die when i go into a room, it is counter intuitive to the game design.

I personally prefer to play a single player game on teh easiest setting. I get absolutely no enjoyment out of defeating an impossibly hard AI character. And often times harded modes just cheat by giving the computer characters more life or more armor rather than making them smarter.

difficulty comes in multiplayer. Killing a really opponent is fun, and the difficulty in that comes completely in teh skill of the other player, at least in a well designed game in which you can't use glitches to cheat.

all in all, good write up Kokomo.
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domataos at 04/20/2007 17:21
Realisticly, I'd like a game that kills you when you're a nub and let's you live through it as skilled player.
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MrHappySunshine at 04/20/2007 17:21
Some games feel a little bit to much like you have god mode running because they're to easy but then their are those games that are easy just because your good at it... or maybe those are the same thing I'm so confused.
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imbeta at 04/20/2007 17:21
AND, because I DIE A LOT... I need a game that allows me to do the "try again" deal, or "restart from last checkpoint" - because, trust me... I'm going to need it.

GAME OVER screens suck. Games that I have to RESTART, are often archived in the "not playing that damn thing again" bin, while games that allow saves/retries... yeah, I'll be there all night.
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Joseph Leray at 04/20/2007 17:22
This really hits home for me. I just tried to play EWJ again for the SNES, and I simply cannot beat the underwater level. If anybody has any tips, it's the Tube Race level.

Fuck you David Perry.
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Hipple at 04/20/2007 17:23
I don't know what kind of penises these kids have (yours have joints?), but that is pretty clearly a finger
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ArrestedDeveloper at 04/20/2007 17:23
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that was a penis
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imbeta at 04/20/2007 17:23
DOMATAOS: but REALISTICALLY, that wouldn't sell many units after a while, would it? That's the whole thing, noobs don't get a lot to say on the hardcore gamer's realm, because usually you associate hardcore gamers with REALLY elite players... well... I'm NOT. But I love playing them.
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angry_poster at 04/20/2007 17:27
last nite i beat RE:4 (for the first time).....i died 39 times. i'm ok with that. that game was fun as hell. will i play it on "hard" mode....nope. cause hard modes don't interest me....just give me normal..and i'm content.
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Lord_Satorious at 04/20/2007 17:29
I think it has to do with how intentionally punishing a game is. Arcade games are very much so, they're designed to suck quarters out of you. Gears of War, on the other hand, may be difficult in spots, but the game rewards a good player who isn't lazy and takes cover and does what he's supposed to. Sure you may occasionally be killed by pure chance, but if you play smart you can get through the game without dying.

As for your soldier in a war analogy, there are instances in warfare where you simply cannot live. Maybe you're the first man to storm the beach or the first man up the ladder. You know you're going to die, but you do everything you can so the men behind you can eventually break through. Video games may have similar scenarios (notably Call of Duty), but hopefully those games have a save or checkpoint system that lets you come back into the game without having to replay long sections.

Of course, the harder the difficulty level, the more you should die unless you're already very skilled at the game. On the easiest difficulty level, I almost expect to rush through the game without dying once. That's the purpose of 'easy', to familiarize yourself with the game before diving into the real challenge. Bonus unlockable material (and achievements) provide incentive to the player to keep coming back.

You also have to remember the purpose of the game itself may not lie in providing sufficient challenge to the player which may result in them dying multiple times throughout the course of the game. Some games are there simply to tell a story, and in which case, death makes no sense and only hinders the game's objective for the player. Who wants to listen to a long narrative half a dozen times while trying to make it to the next save point?
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bleep at 04/20/2007 17:33
Well, in a sense I agree with what youre saying, that with your mad skillz you want a new exciting challenge other than the tried and true methods of the past. But I think you're forgetting the fact that not everyone is as badass a gamer as the average dtoid reader and there are new gamers being squirted out everyday. I think there should be three tiers of gaming, similar to the skill level provided when renting a pair skiis. The first level is for amatuers and babies and idiots, the second might be for your average/ most casual gamers, and the third would of course be for seasoned gamers that have been around the block and have seen the ways of the gaming world. But as to your quest for a "hard" gaming experience that provides a way to win without dying...well I have a problem with that. See in my experience I define "hard" as something that isn't easy. Easy in a video could be the ability to advance without penalty for inferior performance. When a game kills you its not always a cheap move, though there are certainly games that do it cheaply. Getting killed is simply a penalty for doing something the wrong way. So Chad if you want to be able to advance without dying then really what I think you're asking for is more options in the gaming experience. I think games in the future could achieve this be having more than one way of beating the game. Having a multitude of options would change the way games are played and the way people relate to the games. Kind of a choose your own adventure video game....
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BahamutZero at 04/20/2007 17:36
dying is fun. look at RE4! best game of all time, and so many deaths. I say a game should be hard and you should die trying to figure it out. end of story
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Goei at 04/20/2007 17:37
I do wish there was at least one decent platformer that you could go though quite a few levels without dieing, but still being surprised after every jump. Platformers are easy, but only after the 3rd time you die. I remember in Sonic that I would run into spikes, then remember exactly where they were. This was the only way to beat Sonic, too.

Games like WoW, though, don't give you anything for dying or any advantage most of the time because you have you go to your body and continue. Also, even the hard quests can be done without dieing if you just know how to play your character.
Prey is a step in the right direction, too. The negative side to that is that there is absolutely no penalty to dieing. You just shoot your bow at flying things and get back in.

A great game would be where enemies would have a new strategy every time you die. That way, the machine gun nest wouldn't always be manned, and the guard who patrols a building would be patrolling elsewhere in that area.

Most adventure games, though, you can go through dieing only a few times. Like in Zelda you learn the boss a minute or two into the fight, so your only excuse for dieing is that you suck.
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bleep at 04/20/2007 17:39
@Orcist:

http://www.thecomputershow.com/computershow/walkthroughs/earthwormjimwalk.htm#down
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skAnarky at 04/20/2007 17:57
I dont fully agree. Prince of Persia is great, but its balance is based on the fact that combat takes a backseat to enviromental puzzles, which are easier to surmount compared to fighting baddies all the time. Again, while there is a threat in ICO, it is based on puzzles, and while I am a sucker for games with great puzzles, I would never want Ninja Gaiden to be any easier, as it forces me to pick up the slack and be a better player.

I think the problem you have spouts from the fact that early games, which were dominated by a structure of achieving a high score within a limited amount of attempts (pacman, galaga, centipede edt.) has transfered over onto a narrative model, where the goal is to FINISH and score really is just there to be a reprsentational form of skill.

I see where you are leaning with your article, but based on what you wrote I see no real alternative to the system, a system that I think works well right now. Think of the section in Half Life 2 where you are required to resist a combine onslaught by yourself, but you have 4 auto turrets to aid you. I died at least 10-20 times in that section alone *and loved every attempt*. I felt that the challenge was simple inhuman, and that each attempt did provide me with insight needed to be that one man army that manages to get'r done in all the movies. Games like Gaiden and Devil May cry simply pile this type of situation into as much of the game as possible, and those who do not enjoy trying to win a fight 15 times simply arent into that type of game. In these instances there is no simple memorization involved, but merely a reflection on the process, and a re-application of your attempt, hopefully informed by the attempts that came before. Games without the a game over screen would simply be movies - movies that you had more say in - but movies all the same (maybe you could call them 'Interacties')

There are genres in which there are only one game over screen per level - sports games. In these games every level is a single attempt, and the game over screen is also in many ways the endgame screen. Could this be the kind of answer you're looking for? I do not really think so. What about multiplayer, where failure merely means that another player now has a higher score, and that you have to perform better to catch up? In such instances, every moment is unique, and your failure is due to a complex network of human decisions and interactions, and the endgame is not a 'game over' but again like the sports game a representation of your performance, usually in a scoreboard.

I like the gameover screen, its something to surmount.
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LeeMon at 04/20/2007 18:00
Some of this is semantics anyway... picture a game where you're hopping on logs over a river. If you fall, you go in the river and get swept back downstream a bit. If you fall too many times, you're too tired to stop yourself and get swept all the way back. That's basically the same as a death mechanic.

Failure conditions (like death) are there as proof of the player's conquest over the challenges placed before them. You can't really win if you can't fail. That said, the degree to which the designer wants to set the risk of setback is relative. Higher risk can mean greater enjoyment; too high of risk has an opposite effect. It's complicated by the fact that someone who likes the challenge in, say, Ninja Gaiden may not think much of the challenge in Super Paper Mario, and vice versa.

A lot of these designs come from original arcade games (as others have mentioned) which were designed to have failure as addicting as possible... keep victory in sight but have the player be a split-second away from needing to plug another quarter.

But then, a lot of it is lazy Do It Again Stupid design:
http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=336
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Hipple at 04/20/2007 18:00
I think Crackdown took an interesting approach to this idea with their "you have clones" thing. At least there's some logical continuity in the game with that explanation, even if the explanation is sort of silly. I think if you make a game where you "die" but it makes sense that you come back, that's considerably more immersive (immersive is not in Firefox's spellcheck?) than a game that simply places you back at a checkpoint as the same guy, as if your death never happened. GTA sort of did this too, but Crackdown is the best I can think of right now.
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perri at 04/20/2007 18:02
Ya, I'd actually like to see a game that emulated real life in the sense that if you die your dead in that world, and maybe you have to play the rest as a secondary character or even start over. I think it could be really cool to have to run from a battle when your health got too low and camp out nursing your wounds. Of course there would have to be a ton of effort put into balancing the game, but I'd really appreciate something like that. (I could see it applied to Zelda, or a Zelda type game- since Nintendo would never do that.) but, great read there Chad,

encore.
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madmatt at 04/20/2007 18:04
Wow, if you hate "Trial and error" game play. Stay the hell away from one of my favorite games, Hitman.
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Chad Concelmo at 04/20/2007 18:06
That is one of the (many) reasons I absolutely worship the Fire Emblem series. I love that when your characters die they are gone for good.

@everyone,
No, it is not a picture of a penis. Although I now see exactly why you would think so. Ick. Sorry about that. :)
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Namelessted at 04/20/2007 18:16
yeah, I played the shit out of Fire Emblem on teh GBA. I made sure to never let any of my characters die.
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UNDERSTAR at 04/20/2007 18:29
I thought that was a penis hanging and not a finger??? Man enough of that weed today........or maybe not!
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bradleyrose at 04/20/2007 18:49
I completely agree about how a game should be able to be beaten without a single Game Over. This is exactly what I learned about "trial and error" in my Practical Game Design w/ Lab class. Good job, mon. You know what you're talking about!

Cheers,

Bradley
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yaesir at 04/20/2007 19:04
You know, i really like Planescape Torment. Its a cult classic of the PC, and you can't get a gameover, because thats exactly the the purpose of the game: you are immortal, and wants to die.

It's one of a kind, and it doesn't mean that it's a easy game.
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mix at 04/20/2007 19:06
You ever played an arcade game? Quarters my friend, quarters....Super impossible mode anyone?
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Pangloss at 04/20/2007 19:29
I see what you're saying about Fire Emblem, and I like the idea, as well as love the hell out of the game, but functionally speaking, one of my characters biting the dust was exactly the same as a game over for me: I immediately reloaded the level.

As for difficulty, I am a major proponent of Ninja Gaiden (xbox). The game is hard as fuck, and it's a challenging, fun kind of hard, at least for me. It killed me a hell of a lot, but whenever I won through to the next save point, I felt it was due to skill, rather than memorization. Maybe that's just me, though. I felt that Ninja Gaiden, in the end, rewarded skill over memorization or number of tries. You would be a god if you could beat it without dying, but it's certainly possible.
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Jordan Grim Devore at 04/20/2007 19:31
I enjoy dying for some reason.
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Pangloss at 04/20/2007 19:34
An addendum that I meant to include in my original comment:
I don't really see video game death as the negative that you seem to, Chad. The only time I have a real problem with death is when one of two things occur: 1) surviving requires memorization i.e. repeated death, or 2) the game can 100% guaranteed kill you if it decides to. Notable examples of option 2 include certain fighter and RPG bosses. A game can be as hard as hell and kill me innumerable times, so long as I feel that it's rewarding skill first and foremost. Because in such a game, if I die, I think "well, I shouldn't have sucked so hard."
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The Tormented at 04/20/2007 19:58
Okami has achieved that level of 'perfection'.It's possible to beat the game without seeing the 'Game Over' screen once.And,it's still quite challenging.
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ArrestedDeveloper at 04/20/2007 19:59
I actually just picked up Ico after scouring for it for a month or so.
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Gameboi at 04/20/2007 20:18
First off, great write up. As for the difficulty of a great game, I'm a big fan of offering the typical three tier approach. That way, there's something for everyone. How hard a game is, is more of a sliding rule based on the individual. What might be a cakewalk to you might totally blow me away with it's difficulty.

With the "rule of three" (name coined by me to inflate it's importance and sound impressive), gamers get a choice, and we're all about choices.

Overly easy games can be a turnoff, but so can the impossible games. When you have to work so hard at a game that it almost resembles work, then it starts getting out of the fun range for me.
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Grimspoon at 04/20/2007 20:30
Died a few times in ICO, but not cause the game was overy difficult, I was just behaving overly retarded. Loved every minute of it though.

I really don't mind dying in games, except in RPGs. While playing an RPG I tend to get a little OCD about my characters dying.
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Farktoid at 04/20/2007 20:59
In my 20-some years of experience, the games I really remember and think are well-built are ones where I died very rarely. Games like God of War, Zelda, and Okami. I also remember some where it's impossible to die, like all those classic Lucasarts games or Katamari. Then there's the games that I died constantly, like Contra, Metal Gear, Dead Rising, and Mega Man.

The answer is not so much how fun it is, but how well it sells. The mainstream will more often buy a game where you don't die, while the hardcore will demand a challenge and a thousand player deaths. This is really ust another thing developers need to consider on who they plan to market their products to.
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icarus at 04/20/2007 21:36
Just a little comment on games being too easy. I will use Wind Waker as an example since it was mentioned it above, but this can apply to a lot of games. Wind Waker was rated 'E' so the designers at some point decided to try and target the game to a wider audience. They had to take into consideration the fact that younger kids will be playing. So for some hardcore games that we might want to be challenged they need to realize that designers will on occasion design the game to be 'one size fits all'. Of course, adding another level of difficult would pretty much solve the problem of satisfying younger and older gamers, but sometimes developers don't have the time or money to do it.
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dfielder at 04/20/2007 21:41
I agree with you that Gears of War had just the right amount of challenge on Normal mode , what made it even better is that Insane made is extremely tough. Well made great article by the way!

I enjoy hard ass games like Megaman and Ninja Gaiden but at the same time I think certain genres need to be kept to a certain challenge.
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drkdmnluck at 04/20/2007 21:48
Rule of three? Let that be. I think the new DDR's have it right with their five difficulty settings, and it makes the world a better place.

I beat some SRPG's the first time through without blowing a battle; Shining Force II and FM4, maybe some others. I beat Sonic 3 the first time through without seeing a continue screen. ... But there are a lot of games out there that just punish you for buying them. I don't like that.

I like a sense of accomplishment when I'm playing a game. It's really the reason I play. But it shouldn't be because its just hard.

I'm not saying there should be a Potsmoker difficulty where you can't lose and the music never stops, (except in some games... Oh, yeah - that's a feature, there) but I believe strongly that Easy difficulty should be easy enough that the average ten-year-old can beat it without suffering like the book of Job.
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Danmartigan at 04/20/2007 22:17
Gah! Penis alert!
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Kfizz at 04/20/2007 22:17
i think that it is how you feel like rather you throw the game pad.
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Robert at 04/20/2007 22:19
I agree with this article. And I'm glad you used Battletoads as an example. A bunch of my friends and I busted out our old systems over Easter weekend. Want another good example? Mario 3. I dare you to try beating that game without massive world-skipping or other cheap tricks. It tooks us about 7 hours.

Fortunately, some RPGs have gotten the difficulty feature down pretty well. Skies of Arcadia, for example. The boss fights are long enough so that winning is the real reward, but they aren't so tedious that you just want to get it over with and continue with the story. And losing is just a slap on the wrist (I think), but you DO have to start the fight over. IIRC. So that's punishment enough. Unlike a complete game over or a "Har har, time to go through those 3 tedious and impossible stages again, Luigi! KILL YOURSELF NOW"

I think RE4 is pretty good with this too. It's hard, and chances are you'll die a few times, but the deaths aren't too easy on you or too hard. And if you beat the game once, you can probably beat the entire game without dying if you're careful and skilled enough. To me, the chainsaw-guy intro isn't even hard anymore. Not to brag..
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Aevalad at 04/20/2007 22:21
I really don't like games that let you win to make you feel better, and these days there are a nice amount. I've always felt that those who got into gaming in the late days of PS1, like most of the high school freshmen where I live. I'm 17, and I started gaming at the age of 3. My family really didn't have that much money to spend on games so I was playing NES, SNES and Sega when most were fiddling with their PS1s. They have had it easy when it comes to completing games. There are many exceptions to this, however (Devil May Cry, Ninja Gaiden, etc.). To me, I feel the games that got it right when it came to difficulty were the Mega Man games (And we're gonna just assume that the Mega Man franchise ended with its venture with the Battle Network games. They are jokes compared to the classic games). I remember waiting for the next games to come out and I played the MM games endlessly. Time went by, and I got caught in the glamor of the new consoles and the simplifying games.

Back near christmas, I decided to take a break from the 3d consoles and I borrowed a NES and a duffel bag full of games from a friend of my brother's. I popped in MM4. I got in the first stage and felt nostalgia when I heard the stage introduction. Then I got into the stage. I must have died near 20 times before I got to the boss and even then he laid down an unholy rampage of destruction on my ass. But even though I was losing, I was having fun! This was a game that would be like "Fuck you, you suck. Start over till you get it right" whenever you made a mistake. It would get a little easier once you used common sense (boss weaknesses), but even when you had the uber weapon against a boss it wouldn't let you walk away with one hell of a fight. The sense of accomplishment that came with fighting all those bosses, going to Wily's place, fighting those bosses again, and defeating Wily was astounding. Even then, it wouldn't come easy getting there (I forget which MM this was in, but I do remember this crazy segment at Wily's place where you had to use Time Man's time freeze to fall while avoiding all these beams that would oneshot you. Just getting past that was a damn good accomplishment.

Gaming industry, I beg of you, please give us more games like this.



And if you can, make a new MM game that is actually worth a shit or two.
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WhiteX at 04/20/2007 22:46
There´s the kind of game that cheap tricks you, aka Contra, the kind of game that have you dying a lot and that´s megaman, the bosses are hard the stages are harder ansd you get the feeling the good ol´Wily really wants you to fail, without dying or at least having major setbacks in stats or level placement or whatever you get that Prey feeling that you´re meant to win, like the chosen one or smth.
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RJG at 04/20/2007 22:46
There's nothing wrong with dying in a video game if you don't have the skills. It's when the game uses cheap tricks and BS to off you that it gets annoying. A game like Ninja Gaiden is a good example, because it showed us how soft we'd become. Games like Ninja Gaiden used to be the norm, where normal enemies could kill you easily and you had to master the controls in order to progress. Now we expect victory as a result of purchase and dying is taboo because we didn't pay good money to lose, we paid money to win.

And that's a bad thing, as far as I can tell. Without the challenge, you might as well read a book or watch a movie. The game will all but continue without you, so what's the point in playing? Mashing the attack button for victory is not a strategy, it's a placebo. It makes it feel like you're winning, but you're not. You're pressing a single button. It's nothing more than turning the page to continue the story as far as I'm concerned.

A game that makes you earn victory fairly is a game to be appreciated. Ninja Gaiden was hard, yes, but it was fair. The enemies could be beaten if you took the time to master the weapons and learn how to defend yourself, not rushing blindly in mashing a single button (although rushing certainly does work against some enemies when you've got the skills down).

A game that poses no challenge is not fair. Fairness implies that all parties are equal, therefore, only games in which the player is matched with opponents of equal skill are fair. Games in which the player is an overpowered killing machine that cannot be stopped by anything short of a scripted death or capture sequence are not fair, they are wholly biased toward the gamer.

No one could brag about finishing an easy game and yet, even years later, you can say "I finished Ninja Gaiden" and people will say "Really? I couldn't get passed the purple chick on level 7! That's awesome!"
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Evil Cheese at 04/20/2007 22:50
I think Shadow of the Colossus also fits into what you were talking about. If you keep a cool head, it's possible to beat without dieing. It still often requires trial and error, but you don't necessarily have to die to achieve it. For example let's say you go in and engage the colossus the best way you think is possible. If its not the right course of action you will usually receive some damage, then you usually step back, regain some health, and try a different tactic until you figure out how to kill it.

A game that comes to mind that involved character death to being permanent unless a certain course of action was taken before hand is an old DOS game that's abandonware now. I can't remember the title but it was set in feudal Japan and the goal was for your character to climb the ranks of the Japanese feudal system. In that game you could get married if you had enough honor or influence or whatever and have an heir. The only way you could continue if your character died was if you had an heir.

Anyway, I liked some of the ideas you brought up in your article. I would love to see some more games like Shadow of the Colossus where you can figure out what you're doing wrong without dieing so easily.
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