are you writing a serious article or feuding with a 3rd grader? If you're going to bring up that the man has a slightly more nuanced opinion of the issue (and, last i knew, it wasnt inherently bigoted to discuss the social ramifications of a change like gay marraige, regardless of Card's homophobia or lack thereof) then it makes you look immature as hell to follow it up with BUT HE SURE SEEMS AWFUL SCARED HAHAH.
If I were to worry about this, or feel any one way about it, why shouldn't I worry and be upset by where ALL of my money goes?
Mel Gibson said some stupid shit once. That doesn't mean 'Mad Max' or 'Braveheart' doesn't rule.
Michael Jackson may or may not have touched some kids.. That doesn't mean he didn't make some awesome tunes (In my opinion) in the 80's.
Hell, any of you drive a car? Contribute to a religion? Buy bottled water? Shop at Wal-Mart? Use a toilet?
Every one of those activities and every other activity that could possibly be conceived will in some way be contributing money to someone or something you don't agree with.
Who has the time to care what some jag off thinks about gays?
Thanks for introducing this subject in an intelligent manner.
I wonder if Epic purposely fuxxored the demo, so people would actually play more and really give it a chance. Too bad I couldn't beat it. Escaping the explosion room is a buggy mess.
i heard that OSC was involved the other day and i just had to ask myself why bother? the dialogue in shadow complex is fucking terrible, and the plot is a massive cliche. i didn't care at all about the characters, and in fact i would have like the game just as much had there been no plot at all. if OSC is making money from shadow complex he didn't earn it.
I will say this, though: I have a very low opinion of anyone who boycotts this game. Do you realize how many of your everyday purchases, from food to electronics to household appliances, probably benefit someone with whom you may vehemently disagree? How many times have you critiqued Christians for boycotting things that they find equally as evil as you find Card's opinions? If you boycott this game, you're either not thinking or you're refusing to think.
I don't live in America to get all of this political shitstorm though, so I might not realise the magnitude of things.
I am very consciencous of any idea of purchasing albums by a certain artist and funding any known or suspected 'bad habits', (let's say, Michael Jackson or Amy Winehouse), but it doesn't stop me appreciating their music, buying a complilation with only one of their tracks on, etc.
Kudos to you Jimmy Sterling for writing what is essentially a three page troll on a very controversial subject. I'm sure the comment count will make your political soapbox that much easier to mount next week! JSTFUAPG
I've met Card and know him semi-personally, and he is a homophobe. He's also a pretty terrible author, if you want my opinion. Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow are the only two books of his I enjoyed. I can't believe they'd base a game on Empire; that is easily his worst novel (among throngs of just bad novels).
That being said, I don't think a boycott will say anything. If you want to speak up against this, send Card a letter or become politically active. This game has nothing to do with a homophobic agenda or anything; there isn't secret anti-gay propaganda in it (I should know, I just finished beating it 100%, need proof see my gamertag), its just a metroid-vania ripoff (if a damn good one).
I swear Jim is trying to start some sort of argument here, because honestly I don't see how anyone could think not buying this game will "show that homophobe Card what's for!" In fact, if you DONT support it, you'll probably do more damage than help: Shadow Complex is setting a fantastic new standard for XBLA games, and throwing a fit over it would be awful for XBLA.
Well, that's just about all I have to say concerning this. Last words? BUY SHADOW COMPLEX. It's fantastic. If you hate Card, don't buy his books, but STILL BUY SHADOW COMPLEX.
Well thats the question thats pretty much going to decide your answer. To some bigotry is unacceptable no matter how insignificant the presence. Everyone going to have different answer for that because bigotry has impacted everyone life to a different degree. To some this won't even matter, to others however support of this game knowing that a bigot will recieve a profit ( though his cut may be small) well the very thought might turn someones stomach. to some even an insignificant blow is worth it.
guess what I'm saying is depends on your views and stances in the world, theres gonna be no real right answer to this question.
Now as for me personally, his presence seems so insignificant ( and not supporting it would screw over so many honest hard working people ) that if I had xbl I probably wouldn't let this stop me , however if he had recieved a bigger cut ...., well yeah I would have to skip it , because knowing that I am supporting a man with such ignorant views that greatly would sicken me to the point where there would be no way for me to enjoy said game, no matter how great said game was.
but if someone were to say yes boycott this , I could see the logic behind the decision.
This is just ridicules.
Now, I don't care, and I still think Shadow Complex is a good game, and can't wait to get some more hands on time with it.
The fact that Card is what he is disappoints me, yeah, but if I liked the demo I'd have bought the game irregardless. At least the people who put the real time into the game (Chair/Epic) would've been getting the majority of my money.
But seriously, if the guy is a homophobe that's his choice. You shouldn't persecute him for being homophobic. Just like he shouldn't persecute gays for being gay. He can be a homophobe if he wants. Non-homophobes and gay rights activists may not get it, but he has just as much of a right to not like gays as gays have just as much right to be gays.
This whole thing is pretty pointless and just seems like a ply at trying to get some sort of argument/debate started where there doesn't need to be one. If you're going to let someone else's opinions dictate what you can or can't do/think/say, that's your fault, not theirs.
Seriously the idea to boycot a game because ONE person involved in the creation of said game had views that are not politically correct is so thick it only could arise in the US. Here in Europe this would never happen. So because they had one homophobe in their production team, the entire team deserves to suffer from your boycot? Who's the real antisocial bastard here?
And if it hasn't already crossed your mind. The man has the right to be homophobic. Just like you have the right to fear every muslim, because he just might be a terrorist.
For instance look up blood diamonds or sex slaves. I mean should I ignore the fact that this woman probably doesn't agree with the fact that I'm about to do her? Just cause someone out there disagrees with it?
It's not just about the law but our own personal morales. You can't just throw them away because you happen to like something, like sex.
You belittle the mode of empowerment because of the price of the object, in this case a video game.
However, I personally don't give a damn on the matter. I just don't like how you throw away any sense of morales if you happen to like something, JUST because it happens to effect other people. That's child like reasoning Jim. It's the same argument of why am I in trouble when he did the same thing. Why shouldn't I buy something that might be wrong since I probably did it before by accident or unknowingly. That's child mentality.
I believe this is when we would say "Not your personal army" on a different site I frequent. Why even write this as something other than a half-hearted attempt to start some boycott nonsense and raise questions about whether or not this game and gaming is "afraid" of homosexuality.
You say that we give money to far worse people that make games than Orson Scott Card. Then why even propose this when it pretty much hasn't crossed anyone's mind. This seems to be little more than a backhanded attempt to start some gay vs. antigay bullshit on Destructoid. To me the opinion that Orson Scott Card is homophobic and this may justify boycotting Shadow Complex is just as ridiculous and pointless to even bring up as it is to question whether or not Resident Evil 5 or Left4Dead2 are racist. Wait no, they at least have black people in the games so I guess there is at least some grounds for that being a question that would be relevant to the gaming industry. Because last time I checked, there aren't any gay people in Shadow Complex. Wait a minute. You're right I just got it. ORSON SCOTT CARD KEPT THE GAYS OUT OF SHADOW COMPLEX. As I've been playing through Shadow Complex I know it felt like something was wrong but now I know that something is that Shadow Complex used to be an all gay action adventure game but Card used his evil antigay writing to strip the fag right out of it. It all makes perfect sense, I'd like to get my hands on a prelease version of this game where I'm sure you're a guy trying to save a gay guy and you only wear designer robot armor and you are in some sort of interior decorating contest.
Personally I don't give a shit one way or another if Orson Scott Card hates gays or not. I also don't give a shit if gays can get married or not and don't see why Card's opinion on gay marriage is relevant to Shadow Complex. Unless Shadow Complex was at some point a game based around two guys getting married but Card changed that. All joking aside I'm pretty sure Shadow Complex was never meant to be the Brokeback Mountain of gaming. I think debates like this are pointless as they do nothing but start infighting amongst the site members by raising questions that don't matter to most people. Do you buy brands of cereal invented by someone that doesn't support people playing games? Someone that may be older and "not as smart" as someone like Jim Sterling that may think you playing videogames is evil and a waste of time? You don't know do you? That's because it's a stupid question to ask. I'm sure my next statement will piss people off but it's just the way I feel based on the things I've seen in my life. The truth is to me people that are a minority are just constantly on the lookout for something that may be against them. That way the issue never goes away and they will always be able to have something that is an issue specifically against them because they are different and special. Not a crime but a hatecrime. Or not just be an opinion but some sort of evil malice towards them individually. To me this is stupid. Just like it's a stupid to ask whether or not someone should boycott a game because someone who didn't even write the game, a game that isn't about fucking anyone mind you, doesn't like you because you're gay. Because you know what, if your gay that's fantastic. I think it's awesome that you know yourself well enough to determine that because I know a lot of people just follow trends and would never be brave enough to admit to something and live a lifestyle they know some people are always going to be against. I have friends that are gay that never make mention of the fact that they are gay and you would probably never even know they were because there is more to their identity than being gay. They fully understand and accept that in doing something different someone may not agree with what they do and they don't care but they also don't feel that it's the only thing they have the makes them who they are. That's important to me though, surrounding myself with people that honestly don't care about other's opinions of what they do or how they live their life. In conclusion, I'm just glad to see Jim Sterling continue his trend of having to post bullshit nonsense to have something on the front page of destructoid.
The author didn't say Card was a homophobic jerk for speaking his opinion, he said Card's opinion makes him a homophobic jerk.
I've loved most of Card's books, I think he's a fantastic writer. I don't believe gay people are... any worse than normal people, in fact the majority are much nicer people. "I'm gay" means you're less likely to say "I'm a thug/generally uneducated".
I want shadow complex ;_;
I do hope it goes to PC, I'd gladly buy it.
I'll enjoy playing Shadow Complex, and then I'll enjoy smiling when Orson Scott Card is dead of old age.

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