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Should we boycott Shadow Complex?

For a game that has received almost nothing but unanimous critical acclaim and has been hotly anticipated by gamers ever since it was announced at E3, that seems to be quite a bizarre, almost ridiculous question. If you are unaware of the recent controversy surrounding Shadow Complex, you could be forgiven for thinking that the boycotters were enraged PS3 fans, lashing out at an exclusive Xbox 360 game. 

However, Shadow Complex is currently at the center of a touchy and thorny political issue, as it has become apparent that the game is based upon a world co-created by Orson Scott Card, a notorious writer who viciously campaigns against same-sex marriage and believes homosexuality to be a sexual dysfunction. 

Card will be making money from Chair Entertainment's recently released Xbox Live Arcade game. Hence the question, should we boycott Shadow Complex?

The answer is not simple. In fact, the question itself is not simple, made up as it is of many more questions that are undoubtedly brought to the surface when trying to unravel the debate.

Orson Scott Card is an American author, critic and public speaker. A number of his writings are political in nature and address the issue of gay marriage, which he believes is a "potentially devastating social experiment." It is Card's view that same-sex marriage would mark the end of democracy, and to that end, he has made a habit of opposing what he calls the "homosexual activist agenda."

Card denies he is a homophobe: "This is a term that was invented to describe people with a pathological fear of homosexuals -- the kind of people who engage in acts of violence against gays. But the term was immediately extended to apply to anyone who opposed the homosexual activist agenda in any way."

For a man who claims not to have a phobia of homosexuals, he seems quite scared of letting gay people marry. For example, he believes that gay marriage would "spell the end of democracy." He also seems to not have much respect for homosexuals, suggesting that they are "tragic genetic mix ups." Whether he truly hates homosexuals or not, it's obvious he doesn't like them very much, and is threatened by the idea of them having the same rights he enjoys as a heterosexual.

Shadow Complex, developed by Chair and Epic Games, has a universe created in conjunction with Card. The game acts as a prequel to Empire, a game currently being worked on by Chair. The studio contacted Card and offered him the chance to help embellish the game's universe, as well as write a novel based on the universe, also called Empire. It's a unique case of a novelist co-creating a world with a game developer, and has led to some confusion as to what is based on what.

The game itself is written by Peter David. When Gay Gamer wrote about the controversy, it was pointed out that Peter David was a "gay-friendly" comic book writer, who has always included gay characters in his work without persecution and has been responsible for some high-profile gay Marvel superheroes. David has also stated that he completely disagrees with Card's politics, and not just when it comes to homosexuality.

In addition, Chair toned down the political elements of Card's contribution to the Empire universe, providing more of an action flick-style game than a deep and twisting political thriller. Shadow Complex itself does not espouse a view on gay marriage, one way or another. However, despite the fact that Peter David wrote the game, that Chair itself doesn't hold a public political viewpoint and that Shadow Complex isn't for or against same-sex marriage, a number of gamers, especially those on that hotbed of intelligentsia NeoGAF, are chewing on a gristly bone of contention. 

The fact is, Card made money from Shadow Complex. He may still be making money from it. He might make a buck for every download Chair has. For some people, purchasing Shadow Complex is akin to putting money into the pocket of a homophobic bigot. However, before we ask the question, "Should we boycott Shadow Complex?", we have to ask ourselves this, "Should we boycott anything involving someone whose political opinions we disagree with?"

If your answer to that question is yes, then you need to seriously rethink how you participate in the world. It's highly likely that everything you enjoy, from the TV shows you watch to the food that you eat, is benefiting somebody who holds views you disagree with -- views potentially more extreme than Card's. In all probability, you've given your money to far worse people than Card, who is, to be honest, little more than a small and frightened man with a big mouth and an illogical desire for normalcy based upon his Mormon ideals.

Gamasutra points out one such bigot who outranks Card. I'm sure many of you reading this have played a Dragon Quest game before. The music for Dragon Quest was composed by Koichi Sugiyama, who has worked on all nine main entries in the series. Sugiyama also happens to be a member of the far right and denies that the rape of Nanking ever happened. As much as Card's opinions dismay me, that little bigot couldn't hold a candle to Sugiyama, whose views are absolutely abhorrent and disgusting. However, should we not buy a Dragon Quest game because one of the team members is a man with a horrendous opinion? 

At the end of the day, that's all these men have: Opinions. Everybody has opinions, perhaps views that even Card or Sugiyama find tasteless and distressing. Does this mean they have no right to a job? That they don't deserve to earn money? I don't think that's the case. Both men deserve the opportunity to make a living and earn their way in the world, however backward their thinking may be. 

Can we successfully separate art and their creator? Some people can, quite easily. For instance, Gary Glitter is one of the United Kingdom's most famous pedophiles. He was a musician who had found fame in the seventies and was enjoying a huge cult following in the nineties when it was discovered that he was downloading child pornography to his computer. He has since become one of the most vilified, hated men in the country, spending the rest of his life hiding from vigilantes and the British press.

Y'know, there are still people that love a good Glitter tune. 

Are these people wrong to still enjoy his music, while condemning the man himself? I don't think so. Glitter was a talented performer and showman, despite what he did, and while Gary Glitter -- or rather, Paul Gadd -- is a despicable creature, his music was good for what it was, and I don't blame anybody for still enjoying the art he created, provided they're not applauding him as a person. Once again, Glitter is a far worse human being than the relatively harmless Orson Scott Card. 

Shadow Complex is a great little game. Better than the music of Gary Glitter, for sure. It's a great game that Card was only vaguely involved with and yes, it's true, he has likely made money from it. But he's not an evil man. He's a stupid man, in my opinion, but he's not the most reprehensible character in the world. My answer to the burning question, as you may have gathered, is no. No, we should not boycott Shadow Complex. But that's with emphasis on the we

We as an organized unit should not boycott Shadow Complex. Getting up in arms and vilifying the game would put us on the same bigoted level as Card, really. He's entitled to his opinion, and Chair was entitled to collaborate with him and use his talent as a writer. But that's not to say you shouldn't refuse to buy the game if you feel strongly about it.  I don't blame anybody for having reservations about buying this game if it indirectly benefits a man like Card. I was lucky enough to have a code for Shadow Complex, but I can't deny that if I was faced with the prospect of buying it, I wouldn't stop and think about Orson Scott Card at least briefly before making a purchasing decision. 

Shadow Complex is an ambitious, impressive XBLA game that was developed by a team of good people who would benefit from your money far more than Orson Scott Card ever would. If you want to boycott it, that is indeed your choice, but the true question for me is this:

Would doing yourself out of a great game just to score an insignificant blow to an insignificant bigot really be worth it?


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Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:03
Justice
There's a difference between being a homophobe and being against homosexuality, whichever one Card is I have no idea, but if I wanted to own and play Shadow Complex, I wouldn't let his ideas stop me.
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:05
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask
I wasn't aware of any of this till now. Very well written post! It is a multifaceted and complex issue, but I think I fall on the same side you do.
eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:08
eternalplayer2345
I wasn't even aware of this controversy but I find myself agreeing with you.
DR EGG's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:08
DR EGG
If you're going to make a stand, make it a positive one, like a donation to your local food pantry, library, or church.
TJH518's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:09
TJH518
I don't see the big deal. It's not like the money he is getting would be going to some organization against homosexuals. It's just personal politics. You can't agree with everyone, but hell if they make a compelling game at least you can agree on that.
XanderSan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:10
XanderSan
I'm sure my taxes have put money in the hands of far worse people. If Chair get their dues then that's all that matters for me regarding this transaction.
Suprore's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:10
Suprore
It strikes me as a bit unprofessional to say he argues he isnt a homophone but it SURE SOUNDS PRETTY HOMOPHOBY TO ME

are you writing a serious article or feuding with a 3rd grader? If you're going to bring up that the man has a slightly more nuanced opinion of the issue (and, last i knew, it wasnt inherently bigoted to discuss the social ramifications of a change like gay marraige, regardless of Card's homophobia or lack thereof) then it makes you look immature as hell to follow it up with BUT HE SURE SEEMS AWFUL SCARED HAHAH.
Erik Knox's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:11
Erik Knox
big whoop, its a fucken game
draycott's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:11
draycott
Nay it won't be worth it. The point made about others people opinions and how we support their opposite views is extremely valid as well. Finally, I typed this comment via Toilet Edition.
CocoJambo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:14
CocoJambo
I disagree with Jim's views on far bigger issues such as mah Nintendo Wii, and here I am reading his articles.
kauza's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:15
kauza
After hearing about this yesterday, and considering the fact that I'm now reading Speaker for the Dead, I felt pretty torn over the issue. The simple fact, in my mind, is that boycotting Shadow Complex isn't fair to the people who actually worked on it. Boycotting his books, however, would certainly make more sense. But people are far more complex than their views. I will never support anything that Card does that has direct ties to his view on this. However, I also won't deprive myself of his fantastic writing simply because I disagree with his views on an unrelated subject.
slantedwindows's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:17
slantedwindows
"gay" is the new "n-word".
Doos's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:18
Doos
In a case such as this, where a persons beliefs and ideals don't correspond with my own profiting from my bucks, I have to say 'Who gives a shit?'.

If I were to worry about this, or feel any one way about it, why shouldn't I worry and be upset by where ALL of my money goes?

Mel Gibson said some stupid shit once. That doesn't mean 'Mad Max' or 'Braveheart' doesn't rule.

Michael Jackson may or may not have touched some kids.. That doesn't mean he didn't make some awesome tunes (In my opinion) in the 80's.

Hell, any of you drive a car? Contribute to a religion? Buy bottled water? Shop at Wal-Mart? Use a toilet?

Every one of those activities and every other activity that could possibly be conceived will in some way be contributing money to someone or something you don't agree with.

Who has the time to care what some jag off thinks about gays?
---AMARU---'s Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:18
---AMARU---
Buy it for Epic and Chair. Boycott Card on one of his books.
He is indeed a god-fearing douche.
Unassuming Local Guy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:19
Unassuming Local Guy
Jim, you just reminded me that beyond your wit man with a fucking head on his shoulders- a rare commodity indeed among those in the business of speaking their minds.
Thanks for introducing this subject in an intelligent manner.
JehutyFromHell's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:19
JehutyFromHell
Someone once told me at the supermarket that I shouldn't buy my box of Frosted Flakes because Kelloggs supports Planned Parenthood, in which I responded with "I don't give a shit because I FUCKIN' LOVE FROSTED FLAKES!". I'm not opposed to homosexuality, but that doesn't make me regret buying Shadow Complex because the game was very fun. Just like Frosted Flakes (THEY'RE FFFFFFFFFUCKIN' EXPENSIVE!)
goodgamer77's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:20
goodgamer77
Great post! I really respect Card as a writer in the same way that many people respect Michael Jackson as a musician or Sean Penn as an actor (he's just too extreme politically for me). I think that punishing the development studio at Chair for someone's stupid political views is not productive.
Netnavi's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:23
Netnavi
Thank you Doos! The game is tight (except for some game ending glitch at the end?) What some guys personal opinion is doesn't change that.

I wonder if Epic purposely fuxxored the demo, so people would actually play more and really give it a chance. Too bad I couldn't beat it. Escaping the explosion room is a buggy mess.
psycho terror2's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:23
psycho terror2
interesting article, however you failed to raise an important point in my eyes.

i heard that OSC was involved the other day and i just had to ask myself why bother? the dialogue in shadow complex is fucking terrible, and the plot is a massive cliche. i didn't care at all about the characters, and in fact i would have like the game just as much had there been no plot at all. if OSC is making money from shadow complex he didn't earn it.
phantomile's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:25
phantomile
I agree with you that Card is a homophobic dick, but I also couldn't care less. Ender's Game, written by Card, is one of my favorite books. His dumb opinion as a person does not make me like the book any less, nor does it change my opinion of Shadow Complex.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:27
Sharpless
This is, more or less, my opinion. In fact, fuck you for posting this right while I'm in the middle of writing a c-blog piece on it. I can't wait to hear the cries of, "Jim already wrote this article, stop trying to copy him, blah de blah de blah." :)

I will say this, though: I have a very low opinion of anyone who boycotts this game. Do you realize how many of your everyday purchases, from food to electronics to household appliances, probably benefit someone with whom you may vehemently disagree? How many times have you critiqued Christians for boycotting things that they find equally as evil as you find Card's opinions? If you boycott this game, you're either not thinking or you're refusing to think.
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:29
Jon B
To be honest, since thinking that if it not was mentioned to me that a controversial writer wrote it, I would be oblivious and not care, and enjoy the game allthemore. Just cause he did write it doesn't mean I shouldn't enjoy the game, like the many other people who have no idea that he wrote it.

I don't live in America to get all of this political shitstorm though, so I might not realise the magnitude of things.
KIDA26's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:30
KIDA26
Orson Scott Card may be a douche when it comes to Gay Rights, but Ender's Game is a downright fantastic sci-fi novel. I have no interest in Shadow Complex.. so I guess I have been boycotting it without even knowing.
Batthink's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:30
Batthink
Jim, you have written one of the most sensible, well-worded pieces on D/Toid for a long time. You have brought up some great points on this potentially dangerous power-keg of a subject. Well done. ;O)

I am very consciencous of any idea of purchasing albums by a certain artist and funding any known or suspected 'bad habits', (let's say, Michael Jackson or Amy Winehouse), but it doesn't stop me appreciating their music, buying a complilation with only one of their tracks on, etc.
Rasgueado's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:32
Rasgueado
I'm about spent on this already as it stands. There's already a thread about this on gaygamer.net and giantbomb. I'm waiting to see if chair will respond with how Card was paid. In my mind, if he's not receiving a royalty per sale, than at least my money won't be going *directly* to him.
kmartkid's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:32
kmartkid
News flash: not everyone who speaks up for their beliefs is a bigot or douche. I guarantee OSC is not losing any sleep over this. I also agree with Dr Egg, get your panties in a wad over something important.

Kudos to you Jimmy Sterling for writing what is essentially a three page troll on a very controversial subject. I'm sure the comment count will make your political soapbox that much easier to mount next week! JSTFUAPG
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:33
Shadowiii
I'm Mormon (like Card), but am NOT a homophobe nor against gay marriage.
I've met Card and know him semi-personally, and he is a homophobe. He's also a pretty terrible author, if you want my opinion. Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow are the only two books of his I enjoyed. I can't believe they'd base a game on Empire; that is easily his worst novel (among throngs of just bad novels).
That being said, I don't think a boycott will say anything. If you want to speak up against this, send Card a letter or become politically active. This game has nothing to do with a homophobic agenda or anything; there isn't secret anti-gay propaganda in it (I should know, I just finished beating it 100%, need proof see my gamertag), its just a metroid-vania ripoff (if a damn good one).
I swear Jim is trying to start some sort of argument here, because honestly I don't see how anyone could think not buying this game will "show that homophobe Card what's for!" In fact, if you DONT support it, you'll probably do more damage than help: Shadow Complex is setting a fantastic new standard for XBLA games, and throwing a fit over it would be awful for XBLA.
Well, that's just about all I have to say concerning this. Last words? BUY SHADOW COMPLEX. It's fantastic. If you hate Card, don't buy his books, but STILL BUY SHADOW COMPLEX.
Samsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:34
Samsa
Mr Sterling, you are the anti-N'Gai. This has to be the most level headed piece written about this "controversy".
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:36
Black Nexus
Would doing yourself out of a great game just to score an insignificant blow to an insignificant bigot really be worth it?

Well thats the question thats pretty much going to decide your answer. To some bigotry is unacceptable no matter how insignificant the presence. Everyone going to have different answer for that because bigotry has impacted everyone life to a different degree. To some this won't even matter, to others however support of this game knowing that a bigot will recieve a profit ( though his cut may be small) well the very thought might turn someones stomach. to some even an insignificant blow is worth it.

guess what I'm saying is depends on your views and stances in the world, theres gonna be no real right answer to this question.

Now as for me personally, his presence seems so insignificant ( and not supporting it would screw over so many honest hard working people ) that if I had xbl I probably wouldn't let this stop me , however if he had recieved a bigger cut ...., well yeah I would have to skip it , because knowing that I am supporting a man with such ignorant views that greatly would sicken me to the point where there would be no way for me to enjoy said game, no matter how great said game was.

but if someone were to say yes boycott this , I could see the logic behind the decision.
kefkaesque's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:37
kefkaesque
I can see maybe like a group of hardcore Objectivist Ayn Rand fans boycotting Bioshock or something. But boycotting a game because someone you don't like makes a small amount of money from it? Every game you've ever bought most likely profits at least one person who has opposite views to yours.

This is just ridicules.
Krow's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:38
Krow
It's unfortunate that this is even an issue. I may have given Orson Scott Card a dollar for his involvement in Shadow Complex, but I didn't give him a dollar for his views on homosexuality.
CheFF's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:39
CheFF
IMO Orson Scott Card is a good author, and the fact that he disapproves of homosexuals does not make me want to read his books or play Shadow Complex less.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:39
Daxelman
I didn't know. I just thought Shadow Complex was a good game.

Now, I don't care, and I still think Shadow Complex is a good game, and can't wait to get some more hands on time with it.
Overcrowd's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:40
Overcrowd
It's weird; everything I've read about Shadow Complex has been nothing but good things, yet I tried the demo and absolutely hated it. The controls felt way too slippery and unwieldy, to me at least.

The fact that Card is what he is disappoints me, yeah, but if I liked the demo I'd have bought the game irregardless. At least the people who put the real time into the game (Chair/Epic) would've been getting the majority of my money.
covah's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:41
covah
Who the fuck cares? There's just a limit. I don't agree with the author's views, but fuck it, its a god damn game. If JK Rowling was a nazi I'd still read the Harry Potter books. Unless there is something in Shadow Complex that says "NO RIGHTS TO THE FAGGOTS!" I'm fine with playing the game.
KD Alpha's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:42
KD Alpha
Your mom's gay.

But seriously, if the guy is a homophobe that's his choice. You shouldn't persecute him for being homophobic. Just like he shouldn't persecute gays for being gay. He can be a homophobe if he wants. Non-homophobes and gay rights activists may not get it, but he has just as much of a right to not like gays as gays have just as much right to be gays.

This whole thing is pretty pointless and just seems like a ply at trying to get some sort of argument/debate started where there doesn't need to be one. If you're going to let someone else's opinions dictate what you can or can't do/think/say, that's your fault, not theirs.
dgschrei's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:44
dgschrei
whooh! I almost feared that the American disease of political correctnes had finalley infested your entire body. Luckily I was proven wrong. Good for you Jim that you're still making a sound argument and have not yet joined the pack of the "let's lynch everything we don't like" idiots.

Seriously the idea to boycot a game because ONE person involved in the creation of said game had views that are not politically correct is so thick it only could arise in the US. Here in Europe this would never happen. So because they had one homophobe in their production team, the entire team deserves to suffer from your boycot? Who's the real antisocial bastard here?
And if it hasn't already crossed your mind. The man has the right to be homophobic. Just like you have the right to fear every muslim, because he just might be a terrorist.
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:45
Volomon
Sounds totally unAmerican, (damn British), I'm sorry but we can't just ignore everything. Yes maybe there are some secret links out there somewhere that supports someone that we don't agree with. However the fact is knowing makes a difference.

For instance look up blood diamonds or sex slaves. I mean should I ignore the fact that this woman probably doesn't agree with the fact that I'm about to do her? Just cause someone out there disagrees with it?

It's not just about the law but our own personal morales. You can't just throw them away because you happen to like something, like sex.

You belittle the mode of empowerment because of the price of the object, in this case a video game.

However, I personally don't give a damn on the matter. I just don't like how you throw away any sense of morales if you happen to like something, JUST because it happens to effect other people. That's child like reasoning Jim. It's the same argument of why am I in trouble when he did the same thing. Why shouldn't I buy something that might be wrong since I probably did it before by accident or unknowingly. That's child mentality.
Danielzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:46
Danielzilla
"We as an organized unit should not boycott Shadow Complex. Getting up in arms and vilifying the game would put us on the same bigoted level as Card, really. He's entitled to his opinion, and Chair was entitled to collaborate with him and use his talent as a writer. But that's not to say you shouldn't refuse to buy the game if you feel strongly about it"

I believe this is when we would say "Not your personal army" on a different site I frequent. Why even write this as something other than a half-hearted attempt to start some boycott nonsense and raise questions about whether or not this game and gaming is "afraid" of homosexuality.
You say that we give money to far worse people that make games than Orson Scott Card. Then why even propose this when it pretty much hasn't crossed anyone's mind. This seems to be little more than a backhanded attempt to start some gay vs. antigay bullshit on Destructoid. To me the opinion that Orson Scott Card is homophobic and this may justify boycotting Shadow Complex is just as ridiculous and pointless to even bring up as it is to question whether or not Resident Evil 5 or Left4Dead2 are racist. Wait no, they at least have black people in the games so I guess there is at least some grounds for that being a question that would be relevant to the gaming industry. Because last time I checked, there aren't any gay people in Shadow Complex. Wait a minute. You're right I just got it. ORSON SCOTT CARD KEPT THE GAYS OUT OF SHADOW COMPLEX. As I've been playing through Shadow Complex I know it felt like something was wrong but now I know that something is that Shadow Complex used to be an all gay action adventure game but Card used his evil antigay writing to strip the fag right out of it. It all makes perfect sense, I'd like to get my hands on a prelease version of this game where I'm sure you're a guy trying to save a gay guy and you only wear designer robot armor and you are in some sort of interior decorating contest.
Personally I don't give a shit one way or another if Orson Scott Card hates gays or not. I also don't give a shit if gays can get married or not and don't see why Card's opinion on gay marriage is relevant to Shadow Complex. Unless Shadow Complex was at some point a game based around two guys getting married but Card changed that. All joking aside I'm pretty sure Shadow Complex was never meant to be the Brokeback Mountain of gaming. I think debates like this are pointless as they do nothing but start infighting amongst the site members by raising questions that don't matter to most people. Do you buy brands of cereal invented by someone that doesn't support people playing games? Someone that may be older and "not as smart" as someone like Jim Sterling that may think you playing videogames is evil and a waste of time? You don't know do you? That's because it's a stupid question to ask. I'm sure my next statement will piss people off but it's just the way I feel based on the things I've seen in my life. The truth is to me people that are a minority are just constantly on the lookout for something that may be against them. That way the issue never goes away and they will always be able to have something that is an issue specifically against them because they are different and special. Not a crime but a hatecrime. Or not just be an opinion but some sort of evil malice towards them individually. To me this is stupid. Just like it's a stupid to ask whether or not someone should boycott a game because someone who didn't even write the game, a game that isn't about fucking anyone mind you, doesn't like you because you're gay. Because you know what, if your gay that's fantastic. I think it's awesome that you know yourself well enough to determine that because I know a lot of people just follow trends and would never be brave enough to admit to something and live a lifestyle they know some people are always going to be against. I have friends that are gay that never make mention of the fact that they are gay and you would probably never even know they were because there is more to their identity than being gay. They fully understand and accept that in doing something different someone may not agree with what they do and they don't care but they also don't feel that it's the only thing they have the makes them who they are. That's important to me though, surrounding myself with people that honestly don't care about other's opinions of what they do or how they live their life. In conclusion, I'm just glad to see Jim Sterling continue his trend of having to post bullshit nonsense to have something on the front page of destructoid.
natetehgreat's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:46
natetehgreat
@kmartkid,

The author didn't say Card was a homophobic jerk for speaking his opinion, he said Card's opinion makes him a homophobic jerk.
PhazonYoshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:49
PhazonYoshi
Oh my.

I've loved most of Card's books, I think he's a fantastic writer. I don't believe gay people are... any worse than normal people, in fact the majority are much nicer people. "I'm gay" means you're less likely to say "I'm a thug/generally uneducated".

I want shadow complex ;_;
I do hope it goes to PC, I'd gladly buy it.
MasterBalls's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:50
MasterBalls
Does this mean we should have boycotted Snow White cos Disney doesn't like jews?
Korinthian's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:50
Korinthian
And Card just happens to be a mormon. What a coincidence.
Niero's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:53
Niero
I'm pretty sure some royal dickwads have contributed to the development of a ton of products I love and use daily. A lot of good other people were involved in this. I might feel differently about it if Card was the only person responsible for the game, but that's not the case. Sold!
Higgins's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:55
Higgins
Well, I started out reading it and thinking I was quite conflicted over my personal beliefs and my enjoyment and future purchase of this game. I ended the article in 100% agreement with you Jim. However, personally I just want to clarify that anyone who believes that homosexuals are a 'tragic genetic mixup' is a tool. Thank You.
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:55
Volomon
Also yes, Jim I would never buy a Dragon Quest game with his name in it.
nosinging's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:56
nosinging
My vote is if the story sucks, don't buy it. If it's good, buy it. There have been plenty of fantastic artists throughout history who are just awful people, and it should be no surprise that their suckiness has nothing to do with the quality of their work. So the guy who wrote the story wants to oppress fellow humans for inexcusable reasons--the only question worth asking in terms of the art in question is: Do you like it. If yes, buy it and don't feel bad. Like many people have said, the game likely isn't part of his closed-minded politics.
Zulu's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:56
Zulu
HA Ha hA, boycott Shadow Complex over gay rights? Sounds like the works of one tenaciously angry Hillary Doof.
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:56
-PL-
Don't care, anybody who protests homosexuality is holding onto fading arbitrary "morals" that will die out within the next few generations as people become more openly accepting and progressive-thinking, and the old bigots die off.

I'll enjoy playing Shadow Complex, and then I'll enjoy smiling when Orson Scott Card is dead of old age.
InternetRox0rMachine's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 16:57
InternetRox0rMachine
Hitler spoke German kill everyone who speaks german....
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