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Shooting fish is worse than shooting people? According to Naughty Dog, yes photo

Threespeech has an interview up with Naughty Dog's Evan Wells that throws up something as bemusing as it is amusing. Although there are plenty of fish in the sea, there'd be a lot less if Naughty Dog would have had its way. It wanted to allow you to shoot the aquatic gawpers in Uncharted: Drake's Fortune but feared this would cause the game to be rated Mature instead of Teen. It's official -- killing fish is a worse crime than killing people.

You can shoot plenty of human enemies in Uncharted, but the fish are a no-go, as Evan explains:

We had hit reactions and even some death animations for the wildlife in the game but we chose to remove it. It was flagged as a potential issue by the ESRB and it seemed like a small concession to make in order to maintain our “Teen” rating. It may have also affected the rating in Europe.

That's kind of crazy, really. I can only assume that the next Sega Bass Fishing will now get an Adults Only rating for the gratuitous violence depicted toward the fish community. We are training our kids to be fishermen with these violent simulators and I won't stand for it!

BAN THIS SICK FISHING FILTH!








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Toneman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 04:59
Toneman
How many fish have to die?
MaximusPaynicus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 05:10
MaximusPaynicus
If only I had some chips and catsup right about now...
CountingConflict's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 05:35
CountingConflict
Aquatic murder simulators....

DO WANT
garrfunkel's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 05:54
garrfunkel
I blame this for all these school shootings

Get it. School. Fish. I crack myself up sometimes.
Alcochetano's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 06:46
Alcochetano
DON'T KILL US GOGGALOR!!!
arcadias's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 07:08
arcadias
Further proof that humankind cares more about animal welfare than their fellow man. Killing hundreds of humans is okay, but capping a fish or two is a big no-no. Perhaps you should be able to kill the fish, but if you do then you get a 2 starfish wanted level and PETA begin to chase you around.

Yeah, too much GTA for me...
Pagster's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 07:13
Pagster
You can see where they're comming from. The people you kill in game are trying to kill you, thus giving you a good reason to shoot 'erm wheere as the fish, are well? Fish.

Now if it was a giant man eating shark, that'd be another story.
Lord The Night Knight's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 07:36
Lord The Night Knight
[quote]You can see where they're comming from. The people you kill in game are trying to kill you, thus giving you a good reason to shoot 'erm wheere as the fish, are well? Fish.

Now if it was a giant man eating shark, that'd be another story.[/quote]

I have to agree with that. As silly as it sounds, the justification for the violence is taken into account. That's why some cartoons allow some violence as long as the good guys don't attack someone for no reason.
Fading Star's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 07:42
Fading Star
It's a sin! Respect the cod!
arcadias's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 07:50
arcadias
And yet GTA lets you make the choice to kill innocent civilians who have no agenda. :P
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 08:01
Maurice Tan
So THAT's why COD4 is about killing humans! I seriously lol'd at that picture man, best way to start the day :)
Ian Roberts's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 08:23
Ian Roberts
Somebody better go tell Capcom I hear that they're planning to set Resident Evil 5 underwater now.
michiyoyoshiku's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 08:27
michiyoyoshiku
It's official the ESRB has no reguard for Human life and it's a Front for ECO terrorist group PETA
Sueng's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 08:33
Sueng
Naughty Dog knows we will be fished out in 40 years. This pleases me!
Projectexodus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 09:03
Projectexodus
Wow! I feel like a bloody sinner where I sit... I'm a fisherman, and the boat I'm working on contributes in killing approx 400 tons of fish every week.
AAAAAAAAARGH!!! I'M GOING TO HELL!!!

Oh by the way, in WOW you can kill some womans cats.
For some odd reason I felt bad killing the cats, while I was fine killing humans...
Projectexodus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 09:03
Projectexodus
Wow! I feel like a bloody sinner where I sit... I'm a fisherman, and the boat I'm working on contributes in killing approx 400 tons of fish every week.
AAAAAAAAARGH!!! I'M GOING TO HELL!!!

Oh by the way, in WOW you can kill some womans cats.
For some odd reason I felt bad killing the cats, while I was fine killing humans...
CountingConflict's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 09:20
CountingConflict
If that fish was really "representin" it would have gold teeth and a wad of hundred dolla bills to slap them ho ass trout with.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 09:27
Qraze
weird standards and policies. i want a game called "killing peta:the bong water brigades" you could club seals for fur,skin pandas,strip dolphins of their skin,make a hide from a buffalo,make pork rines from boars, make an bald eagle feather cap and burn down indian casinos. i would play it and i'm sure it would be a blast (remember snake eater, when it when into the cutscene of him eating?favorite is the fish, it was still alive and moving when he ate them, memories) #1_At_The_Club_G!!
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 09:33
Qraze
ohh, and you could also light the land on fire with napalm.scorch the earth!
Lord The Night Knight's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 09:39
Lord The Night Knight
"And yet GTA lets you make the choice to kill innocent civilians who have no agenda. :P"

Did you see the part that Uncharted is T rated? GTA obviously is not.
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 10:00
Wexx
Really? That's just silly. Either way, I guess you wouldn't have to waste ammo killing the fish now if you're one of those completionists that has to kill everything
Bizznet's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 10:11
Bizznet
If I could kill the fish, I would throw grenades in the water.

But honestly, I don't feel bad killing animals, as long as they don't have eyebrows.
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 10:19
LordRegulus
Actually, I can understand the distinction. The human beings in the game (at least most of them) are trying to kill you. In most situations, when you try to kill someone, you forfeit your right to live. The people you're killing have to die because it's either you or them. Animals, what with their being non-sentient and all, have no choice in the matter and can't really deserve to die that way a human can.

To be honest, I'm totally fine with killing people - the people you shoot at in video games have a tendency to be either enemies, douchebags, or both - but killing animals makes me uneasy, because they have no choice. At least the guy I disemboweled chose to shoot at me.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 10:26
Cheeburga
FISH KILLARRRR
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 10:26
MaxVest
There would have been an issue because shooting animals makes you a sissy. A real hero kills animals with his bare hands, and only uses guns for hunting the most dangerous game.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 10:32
Jim Sterling
I'm obviously being mocking in the article, but seriously -- Sega Bass Fishing needs to be AO!
van's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 10:35
van
"I want a Deca Sports demo!"
MagicAQ's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 10:42
MagicAQ
Man, Destructoid has a way of being REAL creepy, in always illuminating thoughts or highlighting things that have happened to me recently.

For instance i tried yesteday to shoot a bird in Uncharted wondering if they put any animation to animal death.

And today i read this....

Now lets see if i tell somone that i am the owner of an Awesome gaming Rig with every release under the sun.....

will it be announced on destructoid ?
Genki-JAM's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 10:51
Genki-JAM
Why do you think MGS3 was rated M? It's because of all the ANIMAL SLAUGHTER! I was sickened by it and can't possibly understand why the hell that game didn't get an AO rating. The PETA should've been all over that.
arcadias's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 10:52
arcadias
@Lord The Night Knight -- Yeah, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was being facetious.
flaming burrito's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 11:01
flaming burrito
It just starts with killing fish... but then the next thing you know, you'll be slaughtering dolphins at 4 in the morning for your next hit. What has this world come to
Lord The Night Knight's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 11:15
Lord The Night Knight
"Yeah, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was being facetious."

Trust me, it's not really obvious, even if something seems too ridiculous to be someone's opinion. Odds are someone actually does think that.

Thats why I try to use ;-) or [/sarcasm], just to make it clear.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 11:49
Timmeh
Won't somebody please think of the fish!
manta's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 11:56
manta
According to the recent "Everybody Votes" poll on my Wii, 52.5% of people would rather "Help Animals" as opposed to the 47.5% who would "Help Humans."

So there you have it. Actual NUMBERS of how people would prefer to save frickin animals over their fellow man.
manta's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 11:59
manta
According to the recent "Everybody Votes" poll on my Wii, 52.5% of people would rather "Help Animals" as opposed to the 47.5% who would "Help Humans."

So there you have it. Actual NUMBERS of how people would prefer to save frickin animals over their fellow man.
animateria's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 12:32
animateria
I can't eat my virtual fish now?

Oh wait I'm 24! :P

I guess its illegal for people under 18 (or whatever age a M rating is) to have virtual fish... Come to think of it. Fishing... Fishing... Only game I fished in was... Animal Cr..


OH GOD! NINTENDO IS TAINTING OUR KIDS WITH ANIMAL CROSSING!
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 12:37
Y0j1mb0
Silly fish..
AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 12:42
AgentMOO
Bass Tournament, or KILL FRENZY? Tune in tonight at 10 to find out!
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 13:10
-PL-
I agree that this is extremely dumb. But in their defense, those animals that you'd be killing wouldn't be an immediate threat (or any threat at all) toward you, and therefore could be considered much more "ruthless" than killing other humans who are actively trying to kill you back.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 13:12
Darren Nakamura
This is kind of bizarre, but I think the explanation that Regulus gives is probably the most valid.
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 13:30
-PL-
Yeah, I should have read previous posts before posting :(
bluesquareapple's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 13:48
bluesquareapple
Easier than shooting people in a barrel..
casualweaponry's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 13:52
casualweaponry
FUCK FISH. A FISH KILLED MY DAD. I SPENT TEN LONG YEARS HUNTING THAT FUCKER DOWN. I HAD SWEET REVENGE COATED IN CORNMEAL WITH A SIDE OF FRENCH FRIES (THAT'S CHIPS FOR YOU FILTHY EUROPEANS) AND A COLD BEER. I WILL FUCKING HATE FISH FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

But seriously, it's a bit silly. How graphic can fish murder be?
Major Mustard's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 15:17
Major Mustard
Does this apply to all animals?

I remember sneaking through a jungle in Far Cry. Paying so much attention to the soldiers, I completely missed the pig sitting next to me. I saw it and shit my pants. I then blew him up. I have never felt so righteous.
arcadias's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 15:46
arcadias
@Lord The Night Knight -- Well my GTA comparison was followed by ":P". I don't know about you but that suggests a lack of seriousness to me. Sadly though, you're right. There are most likely some retards out there who would actually believe that comparison.

@manta -- I wish it was just a silly Wii channel that said that. Its a sad fact that the RSPCA (British charity for protecting animals) has more money donated to it than the NSPCC (British charity against child cruelty.)
Vitamin Awesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 15:53
Vitamin Awesome
Dethklok's song Murmaider comes to mind.
Paul Soth's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 16:33
Paul Soth
Yeah, I remember the old "thermometer" ratings on Day of the Tentacle pointing out that the game "Rewards the killing of non-threating creatures."
Pagster's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 16:36
Pagster
Casualweaponry "WITH A SIDE OF FRENCH FRIES (THAT'S CHIPS FOR YOU FILTHY EUROPEANS)"

Oh, the irony.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 16:40
Aaron Mxy Yost


It's coming right for us!
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2008 17:43
Eschatos
This is pretty damn stupid.
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