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Well we all knew it was coming. It's a shame, but then, EA Big died and this isnt by them anyway. I had no plans for it either way, even though I loved the first three SSX games.
Also, in before Killas2 says we're all wrong for hating the online pass or SephirorhX just argues they're good but implemented poorly. They're the Stealths of the subject.
I refuse to buy games with online passes new or used. They've had more than enough time to prove themselves and I've yet to see any value added by them. There are plenty of other games I can play that don't waste my time like this.
Also, in before Killas2 says we're all wrong for hating the online pass or SephirorhX just argues they're good but implemented poorly. They're the Stealths of the subject.
I refuse to buy games with online passes new or used. They've had more than enough time to prove themselves and I've yet to see any value added by them. There are plenty of other games I can play that don't waste my time like this.
@Football Religion - Something you shouldn't have to do, no matter what it is, ranks as an inconvienience. If you bought the game new, then why must you prove it to the people you bought it from. Go on, explain it.
Again with the "it's not good enough to sell new copies on its own merit" argument. I'm sorry but I don't see that at all, unless you're using a heavy dose of snark. It's more like "we gotta make up that used-game money somehow and penalize those thick lumps who buy used."
@cahuatijo
... um, that's exactly what its like.
unless you are one of those thick lumps who actually believe the used market hurts new games rather than helps it.
@TSP
win.
... um, that's exactly what its like.
unless you are one of those thick lumps who actually believe the used market hurts new games rather than helps it.
@TSP
win.
Damn, I really wanted this but Im kinda resigned to not buying EA games anymore cause of the crap that go's with it. I miss the days of cartridges, when games where just fun and non political.
Jim's spot on but unfortunately it will still sell loads and EA will think online passes = success.
Im off to dig out my politically neutral N64.
Jim's spot on but unfortunately it will still sell loads and EA will think online passes = success.
Im off to dig out my politically neutral N64.
Glad I don't purchase many EA games. I'm sure we'll hear about an online pass for Syndicate soon as well.
Also, Jim, you forgot to call EA "evil".
You're making a much bigger deal out of this than it actually is. It's kind of sad, really.
You're making a much bigger deal out of this than it actually is. It's kind of sad, really.
@tekbunny - what I said was about the publishers looking to recoup their "lost" money from used game sales and penalizing those who buy used.
If you believe that online passes make a game not worth buying new, then that's a matter of opinion you're more than entitled to as a consumer.
I just don't think that's the publishers' opinion; they know the game will be bought used, it's inevitable, they just want some of that revenue "back".
If you believe that online passes make a game not worth buying new, then that's a matter of opinion you're more than entitled to as a consumer.
I just don't think that's the publishers' opinion; they know the game will be bought used, it's inevitable, they just want some of that revenue "back".
Blake Stone, you're making a much bigger deal out of me disliking online passes than it is. How sad of you to dare complain about something you disagree with!
@Football
"it's like having to use the case in MGS."
I don't agree with that. That's more like a Kojima style Easter Egg/homage to 90s PC games, with the cryptographic DRM manuals. You could just call your friend/go to the video store and find out Meryl's codec number.
My main issue with online passes is the trouble it causes families/friends. Anyone who has a brother/sister/parent who games with them on a separate profile needs to buy an online pass if the game is a hand-me-down.
It's not a young child's fault that a parent picked them up a used game on a whim, and they need to buy two passes for $10 each for them and their sibling -- there are much better ways of treating your customers.
"it's like having to use the case in MGS."
I don't agree with that. That's more like a Kojima style Easter Egg/homage to 90s PC games, with the cryptographic DRM manuals. You could just call your friend/go to the video store and find out Meryl's codec number.
My main issue with online passes is the trouble it causes families/friends. Anyone who has a brother/sister/parent who games with them on a separate profile needs to buy an online pass if the game is a hand-me-down.
It's not a young child's fault that a parent picked them up a used game on a whim, and they need to buy two passes for $10 each for them and their sibling -- there are much better ways of treating your customers.
Football Religion:
It absolutely is a real complaint. Even a second of wasted time is unacceptable, especially as other entertainment mediums strive to provide instant access to content. The inability to move from one game mode to another without putting codes in is blatant disrespect to a customer's time.
It absolutely is a real complaint. Even a second of wasted time is unacceptable, especially as other entertainment mediums strive to provide instant access to content. The inability to move from one game mode to another without putting codes in is blatant disrespect to a customer's time.
Online Passes are pretty dumb, no other used market destroy part of the product just because it's used, and all in all, used games support developers in ther own way, gamers who can't buy new games will be able to spread the word abou the game and so on, Online Passes just wastes time, give publishers even more money.
On another note, I can already see pedophiles in vans with a "Free DLC" painted outside in the some years
I had a conversation with someone at work about online passes. This guy, although he plays games, he ain't a dedicated gamer, just a casual gamer once a few months or so. But he was very pissed with the online pass happenings, seeing as he only buys used games. I never really seen that point of view before where online passes could kill a casual gamer's enjoyment of gaming. The video game industry is biting the hand that feeds it, they are trying to change to culture of gaming into something most gamer's hate, conformity. Most gamer's play to escape the aspects of this life, but to thrust corporate greed onto gamer's will eventually lead to the collapse of the empire they built.
Online passes are EVIL.
I've stopped buying NFS-games for Consoles ( switched to PC where they DON't have it ), was doubting about SSX, never really liked their style but since Amped seems dead in the water, I started doubting, doubt has now been removed!
No SSX!
I've stopped buying NFS-games for Consoles ( switched to PC where they DON't have it ), was doubting about SSX, never really liked their style but since Amped seems dead in the water, I started doubting, doubt has now been removed!
No SSX!
@Football Religion:
How sad that you invalidate any credible argument you make by making a childish joke about someones appearance.
How sad that you invalidate any credible argument you make by making a childish joke about someones appearance.
If there's one big plus to online passes, it's that I've been motivated to search out smaller, independent games that I may have missed out on.
So thanks for that publishers!
So thanks for that publishers!
@Football - can you prove with certainty that buying new supports developers.
Because buying new CDs didn't support musicians for shit.
Going to see the movie in a theater didn't gaurantee the writers and directors a future with the film studio.
So how does buying new games support developers?
It took iTunes to get the music industry to grudgingly change its tune. Before that they were doing everything from copy-protecting CDs and waging wars on filesharing to keep people from enjoying music they way they wanted to. Or was it to fight the used CD market, because they clearly didn't succeed in stopping that piracy thing they were sobbing about.
Now musicians can release music independently of big labels. This is the new world we live in and EA, Sony and others like them are trying everything they can to keep you loyal to the outdated ploy of "supporting the artist." The developer is paid, their job is done - all EA wants is to ensure max profits on the IP and tell you how to buy your game.
The developer isn't even a factor here.
Because buying new CDs didn't support musicians for shit.
Going to see the movie in a theater didn't gaurantee the writers and directors a future with the film studio.
So how does buying new games support developers?
It took iTunes to get the music industry to grudgingly change its tune. Before that they were doing everything from copy-protecting CDs and waging wars on filesharing to keep people from enjoying music they way they wanted to. Or was it to fight the used CD market, because they clearly didn't succeed in stopping that piracy thing they were sobbing about.
Now musicians can release music independently of big labels. This is the new world we live in and EA, Sony and others like them are trying everything they can to keep you loyal to the outdated ploy of "supporting the artist." The developer is paid, their job is done - all EA wants is to ensure max profits on the IP and tell you how to buy your game.
The developer isn't even a factor here.
@Football
No, it just makes you look childish when people give you a respectable argument and you reply with "LOL you're fat." You may have a good point, but it's lost in your immaturity.
No, it just makes you look childish when people give you a respectable argument and you reply with "LOL you're fat." You may have a good point, but it's lost in your immaturity.
"especially as other entertainment mediums strive to provide instant access to content."
So are you saying that when you buy a blu ray you expect there to be no previews for other movies and if there is your gonna write a blog about it?And when you can't skip them the movie industry has performed some kind of atrocity? Or Commercials on TV. Heck even comics are full of commercials and when I flip a page to find a 2 page add and they just wasted 3 second of my reading time because I have to flip the page again I should be livid?
They aren't going away. I for one buy games new unless they are no longer being sold new (i.e. Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 I recently bought). I know that in supporting the Dev's I have to support eh crotchety old men who refuse to change with the times and horde I.P.'s... I know all these things but what else am I gonna do? Boycott anything with an online pass? Heck I have boycotted COD the past 2 years and you know what? Activision prints money with it. SSX actually seems tohave a chance at not hitting a huge audience. Should I not support them now? To see games I want on the market because some crappy executive is putting in a pass? It's not like the dev's in Montreal(Or is it Vancouver. I forget) are sitting there praying it has an online pass... I know no better way to support their work then to buy the game new...
So are you saying that when you buy a blu ray you expect there to be no previews for other movies and if there is your gonna write a blog about it?And when you can't skip them the movie industry has performed some kind of atrocity? Or Commercials on TV. Heck even comics are full of commercials and when I flip a page to find a 2 page add and they just wasted 3 second of my reading time because I have to flip the page again I should be livid?
They aren't going away. I for one buy games new unless they are no longer being sold new (i.e. Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 I recently bought). I know that in supporting the Dev's I have to support eh crotchety old men who refuse to change with the times and horde I.P.'s... I know all these things but what else am I gonna do? Boycott anything with an online pass? Heck I have boycotted COD the past 2 years and you know what? Activision prints money with it. SSX actually seems tohave a chance at not hitting a huge audience. Should I not support them now? To see games I want on the market because some crappy executive is putting in a pass? It's not like the dev's in Montreal(Or is it Vancouver. I forget) are sitting there praying it has an online pass... I know no better way to support their work then to buy the game new...
If you're dumb enough to pay $50+ for a used game then you're dumb enough to pay another $10 for an online pass.
Another reason not to buy games the day they come out. I will buy this in 6 months when the price is under $30. There is no incentive for me to purchase ANY game day one anymore. Gears of War 3 and their money grabbing tactics made sure of that.
I don't buy or play computer games because I actually demand that i own the product i pay for. The games i do buy are for collecting as much as they are for playing and I refuse to put money down on anything that has an online pass or anything similar because it takes value away from my collection. The more games that have them, the less games i will buy and the less money the poor,poor developers will get from me. Gotta love mathematics. (I buy a ton of games and they are new unless they are out of print.)
Keep up the good work Jim.
Keep up the good work Jim.
Nice, Jim Sterling took my tip-off. Also, virtual currency purchasable with real monies! Bet it has on-disc DLC too. Stay classy, EA. Stay classy.
"Jim Sterling
Football Religion:
It absolutely is a real complaint. Even a second of wasted time is unacceptable, especially as other entertainment mediums strive to provide instant access to content. The inability to move from one game mode to another without putting codes in is blatant disrespect to a customer's time."
This is exactly how I feel about getting games on multiple DVD's in an age where there are other options.
- Being a little pedantic there, but i seriously find multiple discs a massive pain in the arse.
Also how I feel about online codes - i tend to buy new generally, BUT it pains me to put in a code.
Either: you're on the PS3 and it's one of "those" games that makes you quit right out. - or - it's on the 360 and it's a fucking huge code that takes too long to enter.
In other news got Tiger Woods 12 pre-owned at the weekend.....
...the code hadn't been used! WIN!
Football Religion:
It absolutely is a real complaint. Even a second of wasted time is unacceptable, especially as other entertainment mediums strive to provide instant access to content. The inability to move from one game mode to another without putting codes in is blatant disrespect to a customer's time."
This is exactly how I feel about getting games on multiple DVD's in an age where there are other options.
- Being a little pedantic there, but i seriously find multiple discs a massive pain in the arse.
Also how I feel about online codes - i tend to buy new generally, BUT it pains me to put in a code.
Either: you're on the PS3 and it's one of "those" games that makes you quit right out. - or - it's on the 360 and it's a fucking huge code that takes too long to enter.
In other news got Tiger Woods 12 pre-owned at the weekend.....
...the code hadn't been used! WIN!
Fuck. Now I have to break my rule of not buying games that have that stupid pass. I really want to play the new SSX.
@ Football
"Yes, calling someone fat makes the rest of what I say wrong.
I guess the scientific research made by Nazis is wrong because they were racist? I guess a pedophile mathematician can't be right because they are a pedophile?"
I love how you unwittingly compare yourself to Nazis and pedos there.
"Yes, calling someone fat makes the rest of what I say wrong.
I guess the scientific research made by Nazis is wrong because they were racist? I guess a pedophile mathematician can't be right because they are a pedophile?"
I love how you unwittingly compare yourself to Nazis and pedos there.
I can't speak for the 1st party developers, but I've worked with a few 3rd party devs and we received payments when the initial contract was signed, after various milestones and when we submitted the final binary.
I'm sure that's not news for anyone here, but there's a slim chance any developers are seeing any money from these online passes. I'd hazard a guess, buying an online passes supports EA and no one else.
I'm sure that's not news for anyone here, but there's a slim chance any developers are seeing any money from these online passes. I'd hazard a guess, buying an online passes supports EA and no one else.
@football
Are you f*cking serious? Allow me to direct you to generic Internet insult, what are you 12? By replying to someone who has a credible argument with, "LOL YUR FAT" makes you a goddamn child. Even if you had an ounce of a realistic argument, I now give no sh*ts about it. You're wrong now, no matter what you say, you're wrong in my eyes. Oh and btw, the nazis WERE wrong you tard. Because knowing that gasoline injected into your bloodstream doesn't cure diabetes is NOT a medical breakthrough. Any child without a mental illness could tell you that. Oh, or maybe you were talking about sewing people together? You know, how that helps everyone with everything. /sarcasm. You're stupid, this conversation is stupid, and I hate you
Are you f*cking serious? Allow me to direct you to generic Internet insult, what are you 12? By replying to someone who has a credible argument with, "LOL YUR FAT" makes you a goddamn child. Even if you had an ounce of a realistic argument, I now give no sh*ts about it. You're wrong now, no matter what you say, you're wrong in my eyes. Oh and btw, the nazis WERE wrong you tard. Because knowing that gasoline injected into your bloodstream doesn't cure diabetes is NOT a medical breakthrough. Any child without a mental illness could tell you that. Oh, or maybe you were talking about sewing people together? You know, how that helps everyone with everything. /sarcasm. You're stupid, this conversation is stupid, and I hate you
"So are you saying that when you buy a blu ray you expect there to be no previews for other movies and if there is your gonna write a blog about it? And when you can't skip them the movie industry has performed some kind of atrocity?"
Actually, I hate Blu-rays that put in unskippable crap or have huge loading times thanks to commercials and dynamic advertising. I do think it's fucking gross, especially unskippable piracy ads on discs people just bought. I won't blog about it because this isn't a movie blog though, obviously. I do, however, find it hard to fault movie pirates when they're getting a far better service than BDs provide paying customers.
"Or Commercials on TV. Heck even comics are full of commercials and when I flip a page to find a 2 page add and they just wasted 3 second of my reading time because I have to flip the page again I should be livid?"
This is a different issue due to the fact that advertising in these mediums are important to the economy of the business model. I can't begrudge a TV network having ads when it needs ads for money -- HOWEVER, American networks are ridiculous with the sheer volume of ads they put out, especially compared to other countries like Britain. I refuse to watch movies on ad-supported TV networks because they are broken up way too much. MTV will sometimes have ads that run longer than the show segments, and I don't find that acceptable.
Not to mention, the grotesque amount of censorship on American TV due to networks keeping advertisers happy.
What is funny is that you tried to use what YOU thought were banal, harmless instances of corporate fuckery to try and make me sound ridiculous, but you only succeeded in exposing just how much bullshit you willingly let go over your head. Kind of scary just how acceptable the unacceptable has become.
Actually, I hate Blu-rays that put in unskippable crap or have huge loading times thanks to commercials and dynamic advertising. I do think it's fucking gross, especially unskippable piracy ads on discs people just bought. I won't blog about it because this isn't a movie blog though, obviously. I do, however, find it hard to fault movie pirates when they're getting a far better service than BDs provide paying customers.
"Or Commercials on TV. Heck even comics are full of commercials and when I flip a page to find a 2 page add and they just wasted 3 second of my reading time because I have to flip the page again I should be livid?"
This is a different issue due to the fact that advertising in these mediums are important to the economy of the business model. I can't begrudge a TV network having ads when it needs ads for money -- HOWEVER, American networks are ridiculous with the sheer volume of ads they put out, especially compared to other countries like Britain. I refuse to watch movies on ad-supported TV networks because they are broken up way too much. MTV will sometimes have ads that run longer than the show segments, and I don't find that acceptable.
Not to mention, the grotesque amount of censorship on American TV due to networks keeping advertisers happy.
What is funny is that you tried to use what YOU thought were banal, harmless instances of corporate fuckery to try and make me sound ridiculous, but you only succeeded in exposing just how much bullshit you willingly let go over your head. Kind of scary just how acceptable the unacceptable has become.
Football Religion: Thanks for letting me know I don't need to debate with you again. No wonder you like online passes, since you're a waste of time yourself.
Dear Jim Sterling,
I sincerely appreciate your strong stance against online passes. You have a strong voice so please keep up the fight. Thank you!
Sincerely,
-Tokidoki
I sincerely appreciate your strong stance against online passes. You have a strong voice so please keep up the fight. Thank you!
Sincerely,
-Tokidoki
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@Jim Sterling
"So, used gamers will need to pay the piper, and new customers will have their time wasted with an unnecessary barrier between themselves and the features they paid for. "
...it's a waste of time to put in a 12-25 digit code? Ok then.
Snarky responses aside, I hate online passes as much as the next guy, mind you. But, considering that people are really only paying 5-10 dollars less on a used copy of a game that just came out (Gamestop used games of new titles are $54.99. Add that w/ the 10% off you get w/ used games, that's around $48-49 dollars.) EA online passes are still only $10-15 dollars, so in the end the customer is still saving around a dollar or two.
I'm not an idiot or anything, but isn't that the point of used games? To save money no matter how much it is you actually are saving?
I dunno, but i'm /still/ buying the game regardless on how evil and how many babies EA kills. Im still buying it used, because i'll be dammed if i spend $60 on a retail title.
I am the worst gamer in the world, and I hav no fucking idea where this response is going.
"So, used gamers will need to pay the piper, and new customers will have their time wasted with an unnecessary barrier between themselves and the features they paid for. "
...it's a waste of time to put in a 12-25 digit code? Ok then.
Snarky responses aside, I hate online passes as much as the next guy, mind you. But, considering that people are really only paying 5-10 dollars less on a used copy of a game that just came out (Gamestop used games of new titles are $54.99. Add that w/ the 10% off you get w/ used games, that's around $48-49 dollars.) EA online passes are still only $10-15 dollars, so in the end the customer is still saving around a dollar or two.
I'm not an idiot or anything, but isn't that the point of used games? To save money no matter how much it is you actually are saving?
I dunno, but i'm /still/ buying the game regardless on how evil and how many babies EA kills. Im still buying it used, because i'll be dammed if i spend $60 on a retail title.
I am the worst gamer in the world, and I hav no fucking idea where this response is going.
My biggest problem with this whole issue right now is... I never stop hearing about the evils of Gamestop and similar retailers, and how their used games policies are ripoffs for the customer while equating to pure profit for the retailer itself (which I agree with).
And yet, seemingly everyone still sells/buys used games at these stores, perpetuating the issue. Game publishers need to realize that prices can come down and still turn a profit thanks to a lower barrier to entry, and gamers need to take some pride in their hobby and buy games from the people who make them. It's a two way street and everyone can only stand around blaming the other guy.
I would love to see how much cash huge games like MW3 would rake if they were just $10 or $15 cheaper when they launched.
And yet, seemingly everyone still sells/buys used games at these stores, perpetuating the issue. Game publishers need to realize that prices can come down and still turn a profit thanks to a lower barrier to entry, and gamers need to take some pride in their hobby and buy games from the people who make them. It's a two way street and everyone can only stand around blaming the other guy.
I would love to see how much cash huge games like MW3 would rake if they were just $10 or $15 cheaper when they launched.
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