Where's Luc Bernard? He should have insight on this

While some good games have already hit Wii Ware, he's right about this one. Nintendo recently refused a small indie start up, saying they 'didn't have enough industry experience to get their dev kits.'

Nintendo have no XNA type agenda with Wii Ware at all, which is such a shame but goes to show how draconian they can be. Its strange that Nintendo talk about growing the market, but it seems they don't mean the same for the developer side.

Internal storage, damnit

Did... did you just censor horseshit??

By the way, I understand that this is simple posturing on Microsofts part. They have to downplay the efforts of their competitors and all that, but it still makes them look like presumptuous cock-holes.

M$ don't like something about the competition ... wow that's strange

Internet storage? Give me a break. Nintendo needs to recognise that not everyone with a Wii is online. Seems they don't want the benefits of a hard drive for us to use, its all about them again.

You chaps will see this MS guy is right in the end, when no new talent arrives through Wii.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Most of the games that have already been released on Wiiware have been developed by bigger companies, am I wrong?

Shocker?] :Microsoft doesn't like WiiWare ... come on someone had to do it

"Or are all claims of big companies wanting to help independant gaming the horesh*t we all kind of know they are?"

I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head, and anyone who thinks differently is deluding themselves. They want to "help" independents in as much as they want to make as much money as possible by doing as little work as possible to the point right before it's not considered "independent" anymore, because "independent" currently holds a particular stigma with hardcore gamers.

@ Cowboy TTop

Y'know, not being connected to the internet makes the whole storage issue a moot point for those particular Wii owners, given that you have to be connected in order to download the shit that would lead a person to need it in the first place.

Logic. When it hits you, your mind will fucking explode.

@ Sharpless

Given that we're talking about Microsoft here, it's not unreasonable to assume that he's not being so much "unbalanced" as it was that he was, y'know, making a smart-assed comment relevant to the topic Jim presented to us.

I've tried them both out a bit. He's correct. Its pointless to give the Wii something like XNA. It'd be a waste of time on such a fanbase.

@Cyberxion
You are clearly unfamiliar with Quest.

@Cyberxion.

Right cause Nintendo is this nice and dainty company, its an angel among the devil consoles like PS3 and 360.

You sound like SUCH a raging Nintendo fanboy, constantly apologizing and excusing what they do while railing on the other companies for doing the same fucking thing.

How many times has either company done this? To many to count at this point so stop acting like Nintendo is innocent and needs to be defended AND that Wiiware is be this hugely amazing thing.

You already have games that might be to big for Nintendo's storage limit, BRILLIANT MOVE THERE BIG N.

The way I see it, the Wiiware will like XBLA, occasional fun and original games that people will forget about within days after the luster of "OMG THIS IS SO FRESH AND UNIQUE FAPFAPFAPFAP" wears off.

I could care less about what's out and what's coming for Wiiware, nothing looks impressive, I'll just use that space for my games.

It's not like every XNA title gets released to the public on Live... Which is a good thing. The less mediocre titles on XBLA and WiiWare, the better. If they can't put together a compelling enough proof of concept to convince the powers that be they should have a dev kit, then we're probably not missing much.

@ Sharpless


What he said looked innocent enough to me, given the context of the conversation. That said, you're right. I'm not familiar with him. If he's got a track-record of acting like a douche, I wouldn't know it.

@ Kyousuke Nanbu

What crawled up your chromosome deficient ass and died? All I was getting at is that Nintendo's business aint Microsoft's, not that what Nintendo has done is necessarily any great fucking shakes.

If you're going to respond to someone, much less respond to them in a disrespectful manner, you better fucking make sure you've not only read what they've said, but are able to comprehend it. FYI, comprehension doesn't involve reading complete bullshit into someone's words that doesn't actually exist, you psychotic half-wit.

Look, I'm not the kind of person to beat around the bush. If I wanted to be the sort of tool you pride yourself in being, I would have straight up said something like "Nintendo's WiiWare is an awesome service, who the fuck is Microsoft to say shit about it?", but that's not what I feel, being pretty fucking apathetic towards WiiWare on the whole, given what I feel to be pretty lackluster offerings on the whole as of yet, as well as the whole storage issue that needs ironing out.

No, I just don't like the practice each one of the big three engage in, wherein they slam each others shit like a bunch of presumptuous douche-bags. They each have their own shit to tend to, but they spend way too much time acting like holier-than-thou assholes towards their competition and thier efforts, and I think it's fucking retarded. None of three available consoles are perfect, so rather than presuming to dictate to one another how shit should be done, they should all be working on ironing out the faults in their respective systems.

Now, this particular discussion was in regards to comments from Microsoft, so the company bore the brunt of my ire this particular time out. Makes sense, no? The outcome would have been the same no matter who had said it. It's an idiotic, childish practice, just like the one that leads cock-holes like yourself to spray textual diarrhea all over his keyboard, heedless of whether or not any of it is warranted.

So yeah, in the future, I'd like you to read and comprehend what it is I'm saying before presuming to compensate for your lack of any authority in your everyday life by treating me like shit for it. Oh, if I'm being a tool, feel free to call me on it. But please make sure I've earned it first, asshole. Otherwise you can sit and spin for all I care.

Im still waiting for the vast marketplace where users could sell their maps, skins and car decals that Microsoft touted back in the launch of xbox live. Guess they see that as a huge revenue stream and cant give it up to us.

@Cyberxion
He's one of Destructoid's most hardcore, frustrating Sony fanboys. Pretty much just visits the site to dump on Microsoft and blow Sony.

@ spittinvenom

See, if you did more than skim over my post until you were satisfied that there was enough there to allow you to act like a free-range asshole, you'd see that it's far from being about nerd rage. It's about being fed up with tools like you and the butt-plug over there and the way you treat people. You guys know that if you tried to pull this shit in your everyday lives, you'd get your crooked inbred faces caved in, so you hide from behind the safety and anonymity of the internet, and take pride in acting like immature little fuck-nuts without consequence.

So no, this isn't about nerd rage, it's about not standing by and being talked down to by two socially-inept teenage fuck-faces just because you think that you can get away with it.

Sharpless
06/19/2008 13:09
@Quest
Yep, just like both $ony and Nintendo. Balance, motherfucker - do you have it?

sorry i don't talk with nerdz like you ... get a girlfriend and leave videogames for a while :)

So the guy CALL others like me fanboys ... but he\'s the one here.

sry