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SGC 09: Liveblogging the Jack Thompson debate photo

He is videogaming's final boss, the arch nemesis of everything that interactive entertainment fans hold dear. He is a silver-haired Lothario and purveyor of righteous retribution. He's also available for work and will do birthdays, weddings and bahmitzvahs. He is of course Jack Thompson, and he's here at the ScrewAttack Gaming Convention.

Hard News' Destin will be moderating a debate between Mark Methenitis and the Silver Jackal. Just what will happen in the great verbal joust between these two wordsmith warriors? Hit the jump to read our liveblog, right here in Dallas, where Jack the Ripper takes to the stage. The debate starts at 4pm.


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funran's Avatar
funran at 07/04/2009 15:54
/wave Jim, I'm in the far back bit I think ill still be able to smell the bullshit.
Diverse's Avatar
Diverse at 07/04/2009 15:58
I predict a train wreck.
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Dexter345 at 07/04/2009 15:59
Debate starts at four? Damn, man, I'll already be eating hot dogs and setting off explosives by then. I'll have to just read the transcript after it's done.
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Doomsday Forte at 07/04/2009 16:01
I predict a nuclear explosion of bad.
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invader alex at 07/04/2009 16:03
Jack Thompson was interview by screw attack.. It actually went really well and it really made him look like a nice guy
UglyDuck's Avatar
UglyDuck at 07/04/2009 16:04
@Funran
The great thing is that if Wardrox is with him, you can just navigate by the titanic piss streak in the middle of the crowd.
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Zombutler at 07/04/2009 16:15
is someone filming this?
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Luke Barnard at 07/04/2009 16:18
OH hohohohohohohooo.... what a prick.
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Kiro_RedWolf at 07/04/2009 16:19
He isn't even relevant anymore. I don't see why it's worth wasting time on the guy.
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killatia at 07/04/2009 16:26
I hope someone is atlease making an mp3 out of this
Monodi's Avatar
Monodi at 07/04/2009 16:33
This is amazing. I want to check this not only to see him getting crumbled, but also yo really dig inside his opinions in a formal debate.
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Monodi at 07/04/2009 16:35
"He says it would almost be better that there were no age ratings at all, because at least then parents would not be told the "lie" that systems are in place to protect kids."

That's a very, very interesting point of view.
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covah at 07/04/2009 16:38
All behold, Jack Thompson trying to make himself fucking matter. I'm god damn wasted, and I know this motherfucker was disbarred so why the fuck should ANYONE listen to him.
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Electro Lemon at 07/04/2009 16:39
SOMEONE GIVE HIM A CANDY BAR
funran's Avatar
funran at 07/04/2009 16:39
There are several cameras in here, I imagine that screwattack will post the video afterwards
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Los255 at 07/04/2009 16:45
" Mark Menthol Guy Who I Don't Know."

LMFAO!!!!
Monodi's Avatar
Monodi at 07/04/2009 16:49
JT: "Apparently they aren't so easy. I think it's something people take seriously, as evidenced by you people being here today."

:)
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Xhumation at 07/04/2009 16:51
"We are getting to the point where we will understand that adult-rated games are just as harmful as seeing two naked people have intercourse"

Wow! that screams controversy right there.
Monodi's Avatar
Monodi at 07/04/2009 16:56
I don't think we need prophets. It's called education.
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Los255 at 07/04/2009 17:00
Is this the first time JT has been to a open forum like this? You know, instead of hiding behind media outlets spewing garbage?
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HiddenAHB at 07/04/2009 17:00
JT isn't mentioning Rapelay? Forget GTAIV and mve to another game Jack!
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Naim Master at 07/04/2009 17:04
@invader alex
That's only part of his malevolent plan , gaining acceptance of his enemies , then BANG! backstab/rapin/both time !
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Discarded Couch Sandwich at 07/04/2009 17:05
He may have some douchey opinions, but the guy is a real showman, and he is involved in a fight worth fighting for. I think he has what it takes to truly be an effective spokesman in the sales of videogames to minors, if he's assisted by people like Mark (missed his last name) up there, who are in the industry.

We know he's passionate about the subject, so he has the potential to be a great model for this! Just get rid of the "trained on doom" and "causation blah" stuff, and put more of an emphasis on the subject of the good and frankly bad parenting that is involved.

After these guys have shook hands I hope JT does go through and rethink his strategy here. Maybe ally with the gaming industry even, that would be interesting.
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Jon Bloodspray at 07/04/2009 17:08
Still not impressed with JT, but he does seem a little less like a nutjob now. And lulz at "No making out :("
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michaelb99 at 07/04/2009 17:09
good live blog good debate
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The Young Scot at 07/04/2009 17:12
If JT composed himself like he did her all of the time, I'd have absolutely no beef with the man. Good Sport.
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Kris S at 07/04/2009 17:18
I didn't know there were no punishments in America for selling kids adult games. Over here not only does the shop get charged but also the employee that sells the game. I remember the training videos well from when I worked in a retail shop.
Still doesn't stop idiot parents buying them for the kids and then writing to the Daily Mail condemning games
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Evil Cheese at 07/04/2009 17:41
Thanks for the live blog, Jim. It was a good read.
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UglyDuck at 07/04/2009 17:56
Hmm, excellent read. I didn't want a trainwreck, so I'm glad it all went well. Nothing much new, mostly stuff we've heard before, but nice to get it out from both sides. Still, I hate these kinds of things because they make me start debating with myself aloud.
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eskimo bob at 07/04/2009 18:16
that was one of the better reads I've had in a while. good show, JT and Mark and thanks a million for blogging it, Jim!
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Cadtalfryn at 07/04/2009 18:21
"He says how he'd sting Best Buy by sending his son in to buy M-rated games. Apparently his son was called "The Stinger.""

CONFIRMED: Jack Thomson supports child labour.
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BlackSunEmpire at 07/04/2009 18:44
@The Young Scot

It just shows how calculating he is, pitching his message to his audience. If he'd been attending an antivideogame rally, we would be back onto 'vidjagames are the devil'.

I like it how school shootings are now 'videogame linked' (4:44). 97% of teenagers are playing games, but we can still tell its the videogames that are the culprits.
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megaStryke at 07/04/2009 18:46
Dammit! I HATE it when Jack Thompson acts like a responsible and sensible human being!
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Necros at 07/04/2009 20:51
I was expecting a trainwreck and poorly-made strawman arguments, but Jack Thompson really impressed me for once. Except for the tired line about the "Columbine times ten" that's sure to come that we've heard far too often, the entire debate was extremely rational, and I can't say I disagree with all of his points like in the past. If his future behavior is more like this and less knee-jerk and extremist, I think people on both sides would take him more seriously and learn a lot more about the issue at hand.

If the opportunity ever presents itself, I'd love to see what his thoughts are on the book Grand Theft Childhood.
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RAB at 07/04/2009 21:43
If there's to be a videogame tax due to health concern then there damn well better be a tv, book and movie tax as well.

Hell throw in an internet tax as well.

How about a cake tax?

how can they be so fucking stupid?
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-PL- at 07/04/2009 23:14
JT impressed me with his professionalism. But, I noticed he said "but for" quite a few times. What's a "but for"? It's for pooping, silly.
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Disturbed Dreams at 07/04/2009 23:16
I think if you're a parent, it's your damn job to teach your kids. Systems are in place on Xbox, ps3, whatever to block content rated for mature audiences. But like it or not, games, like movies, books, paintings, and music, are art. Art should never be banned or censored, ever. If you ban games, you have to ban all forms of art, because there are violent movies, violent books, paintings, and music. Saying games are the one and only problem is foolish. America is coming closer to 1984 everyday, and it's a sad thing to watch.
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TewDee at 07/05/2009 00:52
You know, JT was pretty good in all that. I think he was a bit teetering at time, but not all bad.
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Dexter345 at 07/05/2009 02:38
America!
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Chronic Logic at 07/05/2009 06:02
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
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enderx30 at 07/05/2009 08:32
I think that kids should be able to play "For all" games and rated T games, and that the Rated M should be divided into two subsections. Metal Gear violence isn't Gears of War violence nor is it Mad World violence. Different portrayals of violence deserves more specific ratings for certain age limitations. I mean, the usage of gore in Mad World obviously isn't meant to be offensive---it's meant to be a dark kind of humor---effectively humorous, but nonetheless gore. Here's my idea
12 and below: Everyone/"Young adult" (one of my new categories, which would include games with mild 'fantasy violence') games
13-15: "Teen" Games (another one of my new categories. These would include Halo, Metal Gear Solid 1 and 2 [not sure about 3 and 4 though])
16 and above: Mature games (GTA, Mad World, Gears of War)

My two cents.
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Sup3rt3d at 07/05/2009 10:47
Um... suprisingly impressive. What he lays out his arguements like that I kind of see where he's coming from. And let's face it, we don't want the insane rules they have in Germany spreading - he is right about that.

I've only thought about the debate in terms of freedom of expression, but now I wonder what I would think if I had a small kid and it wanted to play GTA. Course, I'm never gonna pop a sprog anyway but it does bear thinking about...
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The Prodigal Son at 07/05/2009 21:07
Surprisingly cordial...
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Infininja at 07/06/2009 03:19
If Jack Thompson wants to hold conferences or even set up an organization designed to teach parents about the effects of videogames (which I think are still being disputed), I'm all for that. It's simply that he wants government involvement that I cannot agree with.
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Im OK at 07/06/2009 03:40
Urgh. It's "mores" not "morays". One of those is a central belief in how to properly act in a society. The other is something that one would find in the ocean.

Anyway, well, it sounds like Jack Thompson was still mostly just spouting off the same old stuff he usually does. It seems like he was more civil in his delivery, at the very least, so there was that, but it was still more or less just the same tired stuff he's always been saying. There is no denying that there is definitely a grain of truth in some of what he says, as has always been the case, but he was still trying to win the debate by going the route of the hyperbole as usual, and it didn't help his cause this time any more than it has in the past. "It's gunna be just like Germany here in America! They're gunna ban everything here, mark my words! It'll be like 9/11 for the game industry! You should have listened to meeeee!!"
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Im OK at 07/06/2009 03:44
And yeah, that "tax on video games (and apparently only video games?) BECAUSE OBESITY" thing is about the stupidest goddamn thing I have heard in a long while.
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PedroTheHutt at 07/06/2009 07:37
I think he's kind of realised by now that he won't get anywhere with the drastic speeches he used to make in the past and declaring any and all arguments made by people who have touched video games invalid on the pure ground that they are gamers and ergo part of the problem. Oh well, now that he stripped himself of his most entertaining value I think he'll quietly start fading into the background now.
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