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I can't accept the reality that I just chuckled at the joke he made at the end, dear god he's a human with semi-reasonable fears and not the mortal hell beast whispered of in rumor. I think I have to go vomit up blackness now because this has shaken me greatly o_o
I have a feeling like the practiced and censored himself a lot to make sure he didn't get booed off stage. His demeanor and concerns seem almost justified in this video and in Jim's live blogging from yesterday.
I still think that parents should be the ones that decide what their kids play and that employees should enforce ESRB ratings when selling their products. His views are just way too socially conservative and personally intrusive to be reasonable for public policy.
I still think that parents should be the ones that decide what their kids play and that employees should enforce ESRB ratings when selling their products. His views are just way too socially conservative and personally intrusive to be reasonable for public policy.
I think he was nice because he was scared shitless that the room was full of GTA trained killers who could snap at any moment.
But seriously, I'm surprised. That wasn't just tolerable, it was a good listen.
But seriously, I'm surprised. That wasn't just tolerable, it was a good listen.
The crowd does seem kinda mellow, but c'mon...were there any outbursts either prior or posterior that had to be put down by security?
@ Cadtalfryn
Thompson also wants employees to enforce ESRB ratings. One of the main disputes is how well they're actually doing. Mark Menth-a-whatsits thought that they were doing great, while Thompson thought they were doing poorly and needed government encouragement in the form of laws. I think we're all on the same page that employees need to enforce the ratings, it's just that Thompson's reactions are normally over the top and offensively wrong, instead of just making a reasonable point like in yesterday's debate. If Thompson is right, then we would need to consider ways to get them to enforce ratings at retail (and online, a loophole in general) if we don't want to go with his option to make laws.
Thompson also wants employees to enforce ESRB ratings. One of the main disputes is how well they're actually doing. Mark Menth-a-whatsits thought that they were doing great, while Thompson thought they were doing poorly and needed government encouragement in the form of laws. I think we're all on the same page that employees need to enforce the ratings, it's just that Thompson's reactions are normally over the top and offensively wrong, instead of just making a reasonable point like in yesterday's debate. If Thompson is right, then we would need to consider ways to get them to enforce ratings at retail (and online, a loophole in general) if we don't want to go with his option to make laws.
It's vry nice to see him acting in a respectable matter for once. I guess he has come to learn from his past mistakes. Although I thought that his comments about intercourse were a bit outrageous.
John Bruce already has a history of dishonorable, unethical, and bigotted attitudes towards a variety of groups. He's well known for using lies, deceit, and misinformation. Altering his attitude to cover up misinformation and further lies doesn't change his well established nature.
Let's face it, if Fred Phelps, Eric Rudolph, or Osama Bin Laudin started acting reasonable or rational but still lied, deceived, and made the same irrational claims, should people start accepting them more despite their well established histories?
Let's face it, if Fred Phelps, Eric Rudolph, or Osama Bin Laudin started acting reasonable or rational but still lied, deceived, and made the same irrational claims, should people start accepting them more despite their well established histories?
I thought this guy was a crackpot but he's actually a brilliant manipulator. He puts on a huge extravagant show for the masses because thats what the media outlets and the masses want. This time he knows thats won't fly so goes in calm cool and collective. He's got the masses now he's luring in the Rebel Alliance.
"The crowd does seem kinda mellow, but c'mon...were there any outbursts either prior or posterior that had to be put down by security?"
Only people above the age of eighteen were allowed into the Q&A or debate, which certainly helped limit the possibility of stupidity. Also, people were warned that inappropriate behavior would result in their being escorted out of both the room and the entire convention. So it was a pretty decent atmosphere all round.
Only people above the age of eighteen were allowed into the Q&A or debate, which certainly helped limit the possibility of stupidity. Also, people were warned that inappropriate behavior would result in their being escorted out of both the room and the entire convention. So it was a pretty decent atmosphere all round.
I've never been able to understand religious people who talk about how God has control over every detail of their lives like it's a good thing. If I though for one second that some god was controlling my actions and I had no freedom or control over my own destiny I think I'd kill myself now. Then again, maybe I wouldn't if that wasn't "God's plan".
@Necros
I agree with him on that point, despite the fact its a tad annoying being 21 and getting carded for a 17+ game, not because I think that kids can't handle "mature" games but because I think their parents should decide if they think their children can.
Most people are -reasonably- well adjusted individuals. Playing things like Mortal Kombat and Goldeneye did not lead me to being a violent individual.
However, to my knowledge, my parents never did bat an eye at giving me a videogame I asked for. The issue was never if I was mature enough for it, but if I deserved the privilege of playing/owning it and we had enough disposable income at the time for relatively expensive "toys". Making sure the parent has at least a chance to be a control filter on what their kid is playing by purchasing it themselves is what should be done. If they turn around and complain about the games I think its their fault for not being their with their child to see what they are exposing themselves to. Legislating and becoming intrusive into people's lives will not only destroy personal liberties, but is also likely to create an even larger taboo and make more people want to do what they're told not to do and make the problem even worse.
If anyone is going to do something Columbine-esque that is inspired by videogames they probably were pretty unstable to begin with and the problem isn't the games but what is going on in their lives and minds to get them to that point.
I agree with him on that point, despite the fact its a tad annoying being 21 and getting carded for a 17+ game, not because I think that kids can't handle "mature" games but because I think their parents should decide if they think their children can.
Most people are -reasonably- well adjusted individuals. Playing things like Mortal Kombat and Goldeneye did not lead me to being a violent individual.
However, to my knowledge, my parents never did bat an eye at giving me a videogame I asked for. The issue was never if I was mature enough for it, but if I deserved the privilege of playing/owning it and we had enough disposable income at the time for relatively expensive "toys". Making sure the parent has at least a chance to be a control filter on what their kid is playing by purchasing it themselves is what should be done. If they turn around and complain about the games I think its their fault for not being their with their child to see what they are exposing themselves to. Legislating and becoming intrusive into people's lives will not only destroy personal liberties, but is also likely to create an even larger taboo and make more people want to do what they're told not to do and make the problem even worse.
If anyone is going to do something Columbine-esque that is inspired by videogames they probably were pretty unstable to begin with and the problem isn't the games but what is going on in their lives and minds to get them to that point.
I stopped watching when he started talking about the Holy Father. Which is right at the beginning so I have no opinion on this matter.
mrplow8:
In my opinion, I think it's just another way in which certain groups of people avoid taking responsibility for anything. It's so much easier to not have to worry about your life or future if you think some man in the sky is going to sort it all out for you. Dodging personal accountability seems to be a life goal of a great many people and this kind of thinking certainly helps.
In my opinion, I think it's just another way in which certain groups of people avoid taking responsibility for anything. It's so much easier to not have to worry about your life or future if you think some man in the sky is going to sort it all out for you. Dodging personal accountability seems to be a life goal of a great many people and this kind of thinking certainly helps.
I'm not surprised that Jacko was on his best behavior. He always is at these things so that people think "Oh, he's not that bad" and think that the things people say online about him must be lies. However, Jacko is a pathological liar and when in public he constantly lies about not only the "evidence" and his career but also his agenda. He says that he only wants to prevent children from playing "adult" games -- never mind that AO games never get released -- but time and time again he has shown that he wants to ban the games such as in the case of the killer at Northern Illinois University who was over 18 when the first Counter-Strike beta was released and yet Jacko went after that relentlessly.
Listening him speak so coherent and in front of a live conference in front of a video gamer audience, it's just so surreal....
Damn, what's happening to the world?
Jack Thompson behaving nicely!?
Even though i disagree with his opinion about God i'm quite impressed with the debate yesterday, but we got to keep an eye open, we'll never know when he will stop the "save the children" attitude and come back to "video games are the devil spawn".
Jack Thompson behaving nicely!?
Even though i disagree with his opinion about God i'm quite impressed with the debate yesterday, but we got to keep an eye open, we'll never know when he will stop the "save the children" attitude and come back to "video games are the devil spawn".
Jack can make himself seem decent sometimes, but I feel like it's an act. Whenever he's on a gaming show or gaming related he's looks like a huge game fans that just hate the rating system, and wants it enforced more. But when he appears on a news channel or when he throws a gaming developer/publisher in court, he looks like a douche.
Just wait till another school massacre happens, he'll blaming Counter Strike again.
Just wait till another school massacre happens, he'll blaming Counter Strike again.
He got a point is some cases like the GTA games ending up with 14 years old kids or how fucked up a Gears of War or God of War game can be with some childrens, but he also is very strict in the way he wants things become on the industry and the things he says about it...
He said that some day there'll be a incident in America like the one in German and it'll be like the 9/11 for the Industry. If you think about that...this is not a so hard reality to see, the ero-game industry has just suffered a lot lately with the Rapelay shit that happened. If what he says end up happening imagine the shit...
No more God of War, Gears, Madworld, Left 4 Dead or even Resident Evil !
He said that some day there'll be a incident in America like the one in German and it'll be like the 9/11 for the Industry. If you think about that...this is not a so hard reality to see, the ero-game industry has just suffered a lot lately with the Rapelay shit that happened. If what he says end up happening imagine the shit...
No more God of War, Gears, Madworld, Left 4 Dead or even Resident Evil !
The problem-- okay, one of the problems with Jack Thompson is that, while he can be quite civil and intelligent, once the TV cameras are put on him and once he has members of the media asking him questions, he generally devolves into ham-fisted, irrational mudslinging. He can be very hypocritical, and I'd like to see a little more consistency from him, especially as a self-proclaimed Christian.
"In my opinion, I think it's just another way in which certain groups of people avoid taking responsibility for anything. It's so much easier to not have to worry about your life or future if you think some man in the sky is going to sort it all out for you. Dodging personal accountability seems to be a life goal of a great many people and this kind of thinking certainly helps."
@Jim - Please allow people to hold their own religious beliefs without trying to rationalize them, thanks.
@Jim - Please allow people to hold their own religious beliefs without trying to rationalize them, thanks.
No one should feel like an asshole for hating this person and spitting vile poison about him... he has his soap box moments where he was spitting nonsensical ridiculous tirades on television with other asshole reporters... it's just that you caught him in a situation where the actions and demeanor was mirrored and conducive this time.
In every and any event...people are just people...they are just categorized for speaking up in certain manners. There's no need to hate someone but there's no need to instantly turn around and feel remorse for what we've all said earlier.
People react in different situations which is why I guarantee if you met ANY celebrity you REALLY hate on tv they'd probably be pretty human in real life put in a situation that allows them or forces them to be.
His name is Jack and he just happens to be a douchey douche a good 75% of the time. The other 25% he's just a person. Imagine that... ;)
In every and any event...people are just people...they are just categorized for speaking up in certain manners. There's no need to hate someone but there's no need to instantly turn around and feel remorse for what we've all said earlier.
People react in different situations which is why I guarantee if you met ANY celebrity you REALLY hate on tv they'd probably be pretty human in real life put in a situation that allows them or forces them to be.
His name is Jack and he just happens to be a douchey douche a good 75% of the time. The other 25% he's just a person. Imagine that... ;)
Moment "Christian" exits your mouth, all credibility goes out the window.
I'd agree with him if it wasn't for the fact that while kids are stupid and "pop-culture" may indeed be the cause for their ideas of mass murder, the fact is it's not really the media, be it movies, video games or music that is ultimately responsible for the grizzly murders, it's the shitty parenting and the breeding of rednecks.
And personally I'm all for +18 games under the ESRB/MPAA/RELIGIOUS MORAL INSTITUTION RULES AND GUIDELINES FOR A BETTER SOCIETY to be changed into E for Everyone, and having it as the only classification. I played and watched many scary, serious, bloody, psychotic movies or games since I was nine years old, and would not have it any other way, stagnating both my development and view of the world with all its colors, because you've got self-issues with God and the Christ Almighty, your perpetual imaginary friends.
I'd agree with him if it wasn't for the fact that while kids are stupid and "pop-culture" may indeed be the cause for their ideas of mass murder, the fact is it's not really the media, be it movies, video games or music that is ultimately responsible for the grizzly murders, it's the shitty parenting and the breeding of rednecks.
And personally I'm all for +18 games under the ESRB/MPAA/RELIGIOUS MORAL INSTITUTION RULES AND GUIDELINES FOR A BETTER SOCIETY to be changed into E for Everyone, and having it as the only classification. I played and watched many scary, serious, bloody, psychotic movies or games since I was nine years old, and would not have it any other way, stagnating both my development and view of the world with all its colors, because you've got self-issues with God and the Christ Almighty, your perpetual imaginary friends.
@Jim
I think the idea is not trying to control things beyond your control, though I think it's more often used in the way you described.
It seems he's trying to tailor his lecture to his audience, but I'm shocked he made that joke. Sure he nice now that he lost all his power. Now it can't go to his head anymore.
I think the idea is not trying to control things beyond your control, though I think it's more often used in the way you described.
It seems he's trying to tailor his lecture to his audience, but I'm shocked he made that joke. Sure he nice now that he lost all his power. Now it can't go to his head anymore.
Not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but you guys should check out the "interview" he did on the Jace Hall show. I gotta give it to Thompson, he knows how to have a sense of humor, it's simply hilarious.
@Jarabowa
Even Hitler had his good days.
@Post
Actually there's biblical text that says you should judge others as you would judge yourself (Basically don't be a freaking hypocrite) which is why I hate christains who make the rest of us look bad by only following parts of the bible when it suits them. You can't watch a film or read a book and say there's no problem with the murder and violence then go home and try to blame games on all your problems.
Weird how people constantly forget that religion isn't the problem over the people who worship it. Someone once told me for every true worshipper of God there's 10 others looking for an easy way of life. Never got that till recently but now I totally see what he meant. If you're a homophobic, science hating "christain" or an elistist atheist jerk then you're all part of the problem.
Even Hitler had his good days.
@Post
Actually there's biblical text that says you should judge others as you would judge yourself (Basically don't be a freaking hypocrite) which is why I hate christains who make the rest of us look bad by only following parts of the bible when it suits them. You can't watch a film or read a book and say there's no problem with the murder and violence then go home and try to blame games on all your problems.
Weird how people constantly forget that religion isn't the problem over the people who worship it. Someone once told me for every true worshipper of God there's 10 others looking for an easy way of life. Never got that till recently but now I totally see what he meant. If you're a homophobic, science hating "christain" or an elistist atheist jerk then you're all part of the problem.
I would have been there in the lecture hall, but I was in the middle of a CSS match next door in the LAN room that I couldn't quit abruptly :(
I was really surprised when I didn't hear any jeers or hooting from the other side of the wall. Kudos, guys. Show that butt how mature and respectful we are.
I was really surprised when I didn't hear any jeers or hooting from the other side of the wall. Kudos, guys. Show that butt how mature and respectful we are.
"@Jim - Please allow people to hold their own religious beliefs without trying to rationalize them, thanks."
I am merely sharing my personal belief, as Jack has the right to share his.
I am merely sharing my personal belief, as Jack has the right to share his.
I love how your conduct on Dtoid, Platypus, has basically been just as bad as JT's. You really don't have cause to pick on him for the way he acts.
Besides which, he was praised simply for politeness, but for being reasonable and articulate and even making some good points. I don't agree with everything he says, and I've had more than a few arguments with him in the past, but I respect that he had the stones to turn up and the ability to hold a really good Q&A.
Besides which, he was praised simply for politeness, but for being reasonable and articulate and even making some good points. I don't agree with everything he says, and I've had more than a few arguments with him in the past, but I respect that he had the stones to turn up and the ability to hold a really good Q&A.
I don't understand all the praise he's getting just for being polite. He should have been behaving like this from the start.
Again, I am not praising him just for being polite. I am praising him for putting on a good show, which he did. He was intelligent, interesting and funny, even if I didn't agree with some of the things he said.
I love that people still hold this guy in their mind as some kind of a monster or super villain, and when he acts like a normal dude with an opinion, it's all part of his plan to deceive gamers into thinking he's just a normal old dude.......and it's working!
Well what do you expect? This dude had a strong anti-videogame opinion to the point that he got disbarred from his position.
Now all of a sudden he just wants videogame developers and ESRB to take a stance with the ratings instead of banning the games? It's just so odd.
But I have to disagree with him on having them take charge. They do their job. He should be launching this toward stores. Not companies.
Now all of a sudden he just wants videogame developers and ESRB to take a stance with the ratings instead of banning the games? It's just so odd.
But I have to disagree with him on having them take charge. They do their job. He should be launching this toward stores. Not companies.
@Jim, MrPlow8, and Takeshi, I agree.
It's good to see Jack Thompson being more approachable and open to reasonable argument. I don't particularly agree with his policy of heavier government involvement and that the ESRB doesn't help, but its better to see him cooperate than just listen to his complains.
It's good to see Jack Thompson being more approachable and open to reasonable argument. I don't particularly agree with his policy of heavier government involvement and that the ESRB doesn't help, but its better to see him cooperate than just listen to his complains.
@ Im OK
I have a copy of GamesTM from a couple of years ago with a JT interview and he surprised me with reason and lack of rambling madness. But then he went back to being the monster we love to hate very soon after.
Could just depend on what arena he is in at the time. Or it could just be the Fox News editing team? Either way, it seems a lot of peoples preconceptions about him have been shaken, which I think is pretty cool work.
I have a copy of GamesTM from a couple of years ago with a JT interview and he surprised me with reason and lack of rambling madness. But then he went back to being the monster we love to hate very soon after.
Could just depend on what arena he is in at the time. Or it could just be the Fox News editing team? Either way, it seems a lot of peoples preconceptions about him have been shaken, which I think is pretty cool work.
Well I was at the SGC and boy my perception has certainly changed about Jack Tompson. While I do not agree with everything he says, he does make a point. And really to those aholes who think he is some jerk don't go flailing you're mouth around. Me being a die hard gamer, I guess I can understand. And I certainly do not want a 9/11 on the video game industry. It would mean no more Halo, no more GTA, no more M rated games. So kudos to JT and to those who attended at the SGC!
Glauxspeed everybody!
Glauxspeed everybody!
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It's like everyone on Dtoid gets their point of view from Brian on Family Guy
:)
I have always appreciated Jack Thompson....just like I appreciate my Grandmother when she says silly things about violent movies being bad. Without SOMEONE holding pop culture up to a moral standard it'll plunge further into gratuitous exploitation than it already has.
It's like everyone on Dtoid gets their point of view from Brian on Family Guy
:)
I have always appreciated Jack Thompson....just like I appreciate my Grandmother when she says silly things about violent movies being bad. Without SOMEONE holding pop culture up to a moral standard it'll plunge further into gratuitous exploitation than it already has.
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