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Sexism in video games

2:01 AM on 12.12.2006   |   Faith


While surfing on my favorite blog to hate, Official Shrub.com, I came across this documentary, "Damsels, Vixens and Buff Guys: Sexism in Video Games", which looks at the stereotypes used in video games to depict both women and men.

I'm not adding my two cents in on this one, because we already know where I stand on stereotypes in gaming, though I don't have anything against big boobs on my female characters.

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Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 02:38
Darren Nakamura
Hahah... "I don't think they've nailed what women want." Should we really be listening to that guy about what women want?

Seriously though, the way they present it, it sounds like their solution to this problem they've invented is to stop making games that have anything to do with rescuing/saving/fighting/everything because all they do is reinforce gender stereotypes. I think this calls for another STFUAJPG.
maximum0v3rdriv3's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 02:40
maximum0v3rdriv3
I call BS on that movie. For every "stereotypical" Hero or Heroine, i can list a non-stereotypical hero or heroine. The whole "gender divide" they try to make out is nonexistent. Female gamers like buff guys just about as much as male gamers like big breasted babes and vice versa.

Faith has said it before, i'll repeat it. People want fantasy. Not reality. We have enough reality.
Faith's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 02:41
Faith
I agree. Give me the whore who's in control of her sexuality and can't kick butt too.

The whole doc is stupid, but I felt I had to post it in order for others to mock it as well.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 02:42
Aaron Mxy Yost
Ric Romero called and said the topic of this documentary was old news. Seriously, did anyone actually buy The Guy Game?

Developers are slowly figuring it out, and as gaming gains popularity with women, more and more will make it into the industry. Jade from Beyond Good & Evil or Alex Roivas from Eternal Darkness come to mind as recent female characters that avoid the typical stereotypes.
Faith's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 02:44
Faith
My question is: If Aeris is the virginal damsel in distress, does that make Yuffie or Tifa the whore that can kick butt?
maximum0v3rdriv3's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 02:48
maximum0v3rdriv3
Also, just so it's said. What the hell is wrong with stereotypes? Not all of them are bad! or are they?
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 02:48
Aaron Mxy Yost
Tifa's a total slut who can kick butt. Yuffie's the obnoxious loser you leave on the airship.
Hamza CTZ Aziz's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 02:51
Hamza CTZ Aziz
HELL YA BITCHES! BUMP MY NERDCORE ARTICLE BACK TO MOTHAFUCKING NUMBER 1 AGAIN!
bleep's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 02:59
bleep
Well psychologically speaking stereotyping will always be around. Your brain can't compute all the options of every person you meet before jumping to a conclusion about them first. Its just the way we use schemas to create mental shortcuts to get through our complex world. I don't really think this movie has anything to do with stereotyping in that sense, its more about representing women/men in ways that are overally stereotypical. All that means is that the game developers wanted you to understand what they were going more easily and thus they don't have to throw in more boring cutscenes for character developement.....
Paul Soth's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 03:12
Paul Soth
And they didn't talk to my friend [url=http://kikouken.com/]Gilgamesh[url]? Guy could write a goddamn book on the subject. Hell, he's though of it.
TheBrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 03:24
TheBrain
Sexism definately exists in games and women are portrayed more often than not (yes, with some exceptions) as oversexualized and/or passive and in need of saving. Yes, this is fantasy, but there comes a point where we need to go beyond male-centric power and sex fantasies and do something meaningful with this medium.

We are lightyears behind literature and film in this regard and something needs to change if we expect videogames to be considered an entertainment form that is more than escapist fantasy. However, the glitz and glamour still rules the movie industry to some degree and romance novels will continue to proliferate, but I think these mediums have a greater percentage of serious efforts than does the videogame industry.
maximum0v3rdriv3's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 04:47
maximum0v3rdriv3
I don't agree with the brain at all. why? Cause all that hings on the simple fact that games aren't ALL like that. I strain even to imagine most being like that. It's true that most over-hyped games are like this, some popular, some not at all. Why do we hear the most about them? Cause sex sells.

Also as for the being lightyears behinf literature and film. Way to be completely wrong. I'm a film major myself and i have studied the history of literature. Both mediums in there beginning years were considered windows into the sexuality of thier era. As the mediums grew so did the range. But this doesn't stop "dime store" romance novels (as you put them) or all out PORN (for your movie smut needs)

Sure there are "serious" books and films. There are also "serious" games. Video games are very close to over taking film as the prime entertainment. I'd hardly call this "light years behind"

The brain, you are just wrong. Sexiam may exist, but it exists only as a reflection of our era. You can't expect video games or ANY medium made by humans not to be impacted by the humans that make them.

/soapbox
ZekeThePlumber's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 05:01
ZekeThePlumber
I started having having my doubts about this documentary when they showed Link getting raped by octoroks in the first screen to the right in the beginning of Zelda.

Also, I'd like to point out that their footage of female protagonists in video games to show its increasing trend included that of Sora. Granted, the Sora/Riku relationship was a bit weird, but there was no need to call him a woman...

Anyway, my biggest gripe with the video is that they more or less blurred the line between gender distinction and gender stereotypes. Besides, would you prefer Miss Bodybuilder 2006 to take Kratos' place in the next God of War?
SP420's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 06:49
SP420
This feature rivals the quality of an 80s high school AV class project. It sucked, too.
banter1279's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 08:17
banter1279
Wait. . . that wasn't an 80's high school AV class project?!
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 08:47
BlindsideDork
This was lame....I mean do people go to see movies cause they are exactly like real life? Do people play video games that is an exact representation of real life? I thought video games was a way to enter in a NEW world.


And about stereotypes...there is a comic (forget his name but he has been on Comedy Central) who was talking about stereotypes and if everyone tasted like food. "Blacks taste like chicken, and you hear about the chinese? They taste like CANDY!" Oh it was hilarious!
LarkOhiya's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 10:03
LarkOhiya
I like how they said more games with female leads are being made and they show a clip of Sora from Kindom Hearts :P
deiga-the-semivaliant's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 11:35
deiga-the-semivaliant
I couldn't watch the entire thing. I saw the beginning, I saw the end. It was pretty stupid. And the interviewees annoyed the hell out of me.
DrYou's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 12:20
DrYou
I wonder if this guy knows he's a gay.
Joseph Leray's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 12:35
Joseph Leray
I couldn't watch it either. Even if what they were saying was groundbreakingly astonishing ... it was just so goddamn boring.
fin's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 12:55
fin
His solution is pretty condescending; make different games for women?
bonesbrigade's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 16:23
bonesbrigade
The girl in that clip, the one with the hat on that talks about yoshi, makes me want to shoot myself.
TheBrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/12/2006 18:06
TheBrain
Zeke, the point I was trying to make was not that all videogames aren't serious. I was simply saying that the majority of them are not. The ratio of serious games to escapist fantasy games is much much smaller than for films or literature. This is because the medium is still young, but it doesn't make it any less true. Just go into a book store and tell me if you are bombarded by sex, guns, violence, and breasts. Now try to do the same at a game store.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/13/2006 00:56
DinnertimeNinja
Hey The Brain,

Walk into a MOVIE store and see if you aren't bombarded with sex, guns, violence, and breasts.

I'd EASILY go so far as to say that the vast of majority of media, be it literature, film, or interactive, is crap appealing to the masses. And unfortunately, even though you or I or anyone else here may be above it, the "masses" (hence the name) also happens to be the VAST MAJORITY of the populace.

As for saying that Games are lightyears behind literature and film, well that's pretty much a meaningless assertion in this argument. Given the age of literature (millenia), films (a century), and games (2-3 decades), interactive media has advanced leaps and bounds in a fraction of the time it's taken those other mediums.

For every Shadow of the Colossus, Schindler's List, and War and Peace we have as many or more Dead or Alives, Scary Movies, and Dan Brown novels. (Don't get me wrong, I like Brown's STORIES, but his writing is pretty bad.)

As long as there exists distributable media, those containing what you might call "unintellectual pursuits" will reign supreme with the public.

Take them with a grain of salt and continue supporting BETTER novels, films and games so that more may be made. I don't think anything more needs to be said on the subject really.
TheBrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/13/2006 02:07
TheBrain
I agree with you DinnertimeNinja. It just bothers me when people try to assert that videogames are fine the way they are. There is so much room for improvement.
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