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A few weeks ago, Sega's Mike Hayes indicated that his company might be restricting support for the Wii after he claimed that MadWorld was on the wrong system. After the inevitable backlash, the company has backtracked, claiming the quotes were "erroneous" despite them having been said. Hayes has assured fans that the Wii is still integral to Sega's plans.

"With Tournament of Legends we’ve definitely brought that down to more like a T-rated level. So there’s a viable market there," explains Hayes. "Is it going to be as big as the Teen or Mature market that exists on the Xbox 360 or PS3 platforms? Certainly not. Is it viable, because the cost of development on the Wii is significantly less than those other platforms? Then, potentially the answer is yes.

"Our general view of the Wii is that it’s a platform that’s done Sega particularly proud; we’ve been very supportive of it with the success we’ve had with the Mario & Sonic series, success we’ve had with the Sonic series, and some of the redesigned IP like House of the Dead. So the Wii remains a very important part of our mix. So you will see certainly quite a few more announcements on Wii titles that Sega will be producing and publishing."

I certainly hope Sega continues to support the Wii, but I do wish consumers would support Sega. It's criminal that MadWorld and House of the Dead: Overkill did not perform better, and I find it dreadful that some of the Wii's best third party games tread water like they do. There's really no accounting for taste.

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Super Drybones's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 09:28
Super Drybones
*waits for "I didn't like Madworld so it should have sold bad" comments*
Themightylebeau2009's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 09:32
Themightylebeau2009
I own both these fine games so its not my fault :-)

Also, you can get Madworld for £5 so no one has an excuse anymore.
plufim's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 09:35
plufim
The "low" sales were actually more then enough to be profitable. Less then a million isn't a disaster, with a few exceptions (the super "AAA" HD titles).
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 09:37
Los255
I supported them through Madworld, but House of the Dead's joke got very old, very quickly.

I couldn't stand playing that game after an hour and the (can't believe I'm saying this) extremely excessive cursing.
lewness's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 09:43
lewness
@Los255: Really? I really enjoyed the b-movie vibe of overkill. Of course, it doesn't it take itself seriously but it's just right when I don't feel serious myself.
Pumpkin King's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 09:45
Pumpkin King
I didn't like Madworld so it should have sold bad..

Seriously, it wasn't that good IMO.
MadExponent's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 09:47
MadExponent
Ok sega go be smart and make a new jet set radio game...I will purchase it.
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 09:55
Los255
@lewness

I understood exactly what kind of vibe it tried to establish, at first, and it was hilarious. But then it got to a very annoying breaking point. Sometimes I felt like it was a cop-out for them not thinking of anything witty or corny on a B-movie level. Maybe I'm wrong, but first hour impressions scarred me.
maybekun's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 09:58
maybekun
New Crazy Taxi for Wii, please.
VGFreak1225's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 10:31
VGFreak1225
Personally I loved both Madworld and Overkill, but I can completely understand why people wouldn't agree with me. For all it spectacle and lunacy, Madworld was fundamentally fairly shallow, and while Overkill might have had an outstanding personality, (seriously, the final cutscene may be one of the funniest I've ever seen) it was definitely lacking in difficulty. In the end, I got Madworld at its release, but didn't get Overkill until it was down to $29.99. I guess you could accuse me of not supporting them properly in that case.
Gangala960's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 10:43
Gangala960
Even though I am not a fan of rail shooter (and Sonic went down the drain since SH), I would love to buy MadWorld, however, our dear government just forbid the selling of MadWorld and Overkill. The only way to buy one would be over Austria or Britian, but I'm out of money anyway -_-;
janoDX's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 10:44
janoDX
re-Launch Madworld with more TV Ads on all hours and you get all the sales that you want... Look Monster Hunter 3, It sold out in both versions in amazon and a lot of stores are lacking of the game now...
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 10:47
Chris Carter
Monster Hunter 3 is one of the biggest names in all of gaming, worldwide.

Launching a new M rated property on a T rated system is completely different. The Monster Hunter Ads were also very child/How to Train your Dragon oriented.
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 10:49
Retrofraction
I like how in this day and age the Big Company always blames the consumers for their failures.

"here's really no accounting for taste"
"It's criminal that MadWorld and House of the Dead:Overkill did not perform better"

both of those comments are directed towards the consumers and in fact they said that the Consumer is a Criminal for not buying those games.

they are out of their minds to think that we would by lack luster products so they can make a hefty profit of of it.
NickCull's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 10:50
NickCull
If No More Heroes can go HD and get a 360/PS3 port, why not MadWorld? Core gamers with other systems should not be denied the joy of impaling a thug on a spike anus first.
HiddenAHB's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 10:51
HiddenAHB
Madworld disagrees.
janoDX's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 10:52
janoDX
@Magnalon

Easily you can put an ad on for example... WWE Monday's Night RAW or any WWE show, you got there almost 10 million people watching the ad and maybe thinking "I should buy this game", put the ad on Comedy Central a lot, theres a lot of places where to put the TV ads, and Sega failed so much, Capcom doesnt failed with the ads, used a very funny style, and it used the best hours to play the ads...


I used a lot the word ad or ads... LOL
garethxxgod's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 11:01
garethxxgod
I wonder if it ever stings for a Sega rep to talk about the success of Nintendo and the Mario & Sonic series.
Sæglópur's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 11:04
Sæglópur
Even if it's good, Tournament of Legends smells and looks like generic shovelware garbage. I don't think that one will "do you proud", Sega.
SimonM7's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 11:21
SimonM7
I never got why "mature" on the Wii was clearly a 14 year old's perception of what's mature. ie loads of cursing and gore.

I think MadWorld and Overkill sold badly because they look juvenile, obnoxious and stupid. Of course, look closer and you'll see they're both tongue in cheek and have genuine charm, but who the hell looks closer at games these days, let alone Wii games.

And The Conduit, heh, doesn't really matter how mature your audience is when your game is that aggressively generic.

Trauma Center doesn't seem to be letting up anytime soon, so you have to imagine those are doing alright, and shocker; they're not spraying blood and f-bombs in your face when you open up the DVD case. Similarly, Resident Evil 4 and Umbrella Chronicles also did well, good games with an established universe making people interested in the straight up fanservice that UC provided.

Dead Space Extraction tried to fanservice a fanbase that is pretty much tiny even on the platforms Dead Space was released for, and that audience probably didn't gravitate towards its RICH UNIVERSE with RECOGNIZABLE LOVEABLE CHARACTERS.

Then you have No More Heroes, offbeat weirdness comparable to Killer 7 which didn't even manage to sell that well on the massively popular Playstation 2.

You can blame the console all day, but truth is a lot of these titles have public perception problems even taken in isolation, regardless of platform.
Ramalho's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 11:25
Ramalho
I bought MadWorld after heavy recommendation, I didn't liked it though, it's kinda shallow and the humor doesn't make me want to keep playing it. Also, after a couple of hours you have seen everything the game has to offer you in terms of the fighting.
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 11:38
whormongr
I got madworld this week for $7, it is pretty fun though I wouldn't have paid the $50 or whatever it was when it came out
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 11:40
Monodi
Yeah try again on the cancelled Jet Set Radio for Wii, we need some of that sexiness :C
PEICanada7's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 11:48
PEICanada7
HOTD: OverKill was pirated over 860,000 times and the game has only sold 630,000 legitimate copies. That's sad that a game gets stolen more than it gets legitimately sold to consumers and like so many people have already pointed out here, you can get games like HOTD, and MadWorld really cheap now.
Blasto's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 12:07
Blasto
The only part of HotD: Overkill I didn't like was the monologue about the Warden's "steaming hot piss", that was just embarassingly stupid, the rest was awesome. I also have Madworld, but never got into it. Additionally, I feel like I'm the only person who didn't mod their Wii, but surely that has nothing to do with the quote/unquote "hardcore" who would be into these types of games not buying them, while the shitty games sell millions? Nah, couldn't be :P
KCalder's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 12:10
KCalder
Sega's Wii endeavors just haven't been my thing. It's entertaining enough watching the Freelance Astronauts play HOTD: Overkill and laugh at the ridiculously over-the-top dialogue and situations, but I'd be bored playing it myself.

As for Madworld, it fell into the category a lot of games do for me - I don't want a 'fun for an afteroon' game these days, however well it's made. Still considering whether 3D Dot Heroes is going to fall into this category, or if it has sufficient depth.

Anyway, I love Sega's Valkyria Chronicles, and further in the past, Rez, so good on them for publishing a wide variety of games to please all sorts of different gamers.
Hiltz's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 12:36
Hiltz
As much as I liked MadWorld, I regret having bought it at full retail price. It's just criminal how short and repetitive it is.

The atrocious, annoying dialogue and pathetic voice acting alone was enough to make me hate House of the Dead: Overkill. Besides, I prefer Dark Side Chronicles over it.

Conduit proved to be an underwhelming, cookie-cutter FPS. Quite frankly, the only reason its one of the highest titles on my Wii's gameplay time record is due to the online play which is really the only reason its worth owning in my opinion.

I'm somewhat interest in Tournament of Legends but will wait for reviews given High Voltage Software's track record.

I hope Conduit 2 will turn out to be a signicant improvement over the original title. If so, I'll buy it.
CAP's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 12:41
CAP
I'm not so sure about Madworld, but House of the Dead: Overkill is one of my favorite games of all time. Seriously.
GohanGVO's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 13:35
GohanGVO
@Retrofraction

Those comments were made by Mr. Sterling, not Mr. Hayes.

@janoDX

Even during the Attitude Era, live WWE programming has never reached an audience of 10 million viewers per episode. At best, Raw would get 7 million viewers during the late 90s. Nowadays, the show averages about 3 to 4 million viewers every week.

@Jim Sterling

I don't think Mr. Hayes is necessarily backtracking; rather, it sounds like he is clearing up what was said by relatively low-ranking personnel who happen to work at Sega. I believe it was a producer (Constantine Hantzopoulos?) working on Iron Man 2 who said Sega will likely cut back on enthusiast-centric products on the Wii.

Even so, MadWorld IS arguably on the wrong console. It's no secret that the enthusiast audience has moved away from the Wii due to a lack of compelling first and third party content during the console's early years. And with third-parties treating it like a second class console, is it any surprise that consumers have become jaded and skeptical about offerings that promise to be of a much higher quality?
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 13:50
Kyle MacGregor
It's sad that these games don't shift more movements, but I can't get angry about it anymore. I bought my copy. I gushed about it to my friends, and in the c-blogs and they decide to buy things like Assassins Creed and Borderlands instead anyway.
EarthWindNFire's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 15:04
EarthWindNFire
I bought Mad World and it is one of the games that convinced me to never listen to another Wii game reviewer ever again and to avoid all Wii games like the plague unless I'm absolutely 100% sure the game is actually worth playing. Mad World got such high regard and it's one of the worst games I've ever played.

It's not really B&W either, just to get the artsy folks off of my back. Psycho is B&W, this game is two-tone. This game isn't even competent two-tone either. Comics use pixels to create the illusion of shading. Mad World has none of that, it just looks like a bunch of scribblings by some fool with a Sharpie marker.

Gimme a break... It's not my fault Mad World sucks. Quit blaming the consumer!
StepTangent's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 16:24
StepTangent
Yeah, me too, I hate terrible games that... aren't exactly black and white? ... Wait, what?
Timstuff's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 18:12
Timstuff
I think it's hilarious that these companies always feel like they owe Nintendo's fanboys an apology whenever one of them says the truth about what's going on with the system. Third party games don't sell on it, and M-rated games don't sell on it, but whenever someone official actually SAYS one of these trueisms, the Nintendo fans grab their pitchforks and torches.
Budogenkai's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 18:21
Budogenkai
Skies of Arcadia 2.

all im sayin'.
Mafia10's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 18:52
Mafia10
"I certainly hope Sega continues to support the Wii, but I do wish consumers would support Sega. It's criminal that MadWorld and House of the Dead: Overkill did not perform better, and I find it dreadful that some of the Wii's best third party games tread water like they do. There's really no accounting for taste."

Whatever. You talk about support, so where's Desrtuctoid's Monster Hunter 3 coverage? It's one of the biggest games for the Wii this year, and there is no review ready or updated hands on impressions...no ads for it. All I see on the front page is 360/PS3 related stuff. You guys show support too!
DrDeath3191's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 18:52
DrDeath3191
@ Timstuff

Really? Because the Call of Duty games on Wii are million-sellers. Sonic games too as I recall. Plus, Wii games don't need to sell as much as HD titles because, as the SEGA guy up there mentioned, they cost much less to develop. Stop believing all the hate and see the facts.

On topic, I'm glad SEGA has confidence in the Wii. I'm not certain why Tournament of Legends of all things is inspiring this confidence, but I think it's a good thing that SEGA's proud all the same.
Auston MuffinMan Edwards's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 19:15
Auston MuffinMan Edwards
I think I'm in the minority when I say I LOVED Madworld.
masterjedi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 20:36
masterjedi
I think the reason M-rated games sell slower on the Wii is because the majority of the userbase on that platform is not the M-rated audience. I think it's a safe bet to assume that most of the people who like M-rated games that own a Wii purchase those M-rated games that interest them. The majority of the PS360 audience are gamers who prefer M-rated games. I bet if you looked at non m-rated games on the PS360, they would have lower sales just like the M-rated games on the Wii do. Games like Just Dance which has sold fabulously on the Wii would not sell equally as well on the PS360 and so forth.
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 20:50
catsithx
I loved madworld and House of the Dead. Both were great games I bought both of them when they first came out I could hae waited for the price drop but I love my games I will get them asap as long As I don't start stock piling them.
Neroisonfire's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2010 22:07
Neroisonfire
I hope they release madworld for HD consoles. Specifically the ps3 since there's the move coming out.

My biggest complaint with my wii is the batteries. I know there's options out there for rechargable batteries but they just haven't looked appealing. I still can't believe they would make the biggest mistake of releasing a wireless controller dependant on AAs.
neoREgen's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2010 05:02
neoREgen
*cough* Jet Set *cough*

Seriously. That's the only Sega IP I can think of that I know I would buy day one, no questions asked.
PvPPY's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2010 11:30
PvPPY
Why develop core or M-rated games on the Wii? Unless you're playing with some waggle-control gimmick like Red Steel 2... you can put it on a high-def system where it will look better than a PS2/PSP port, give the players bigger maps to roam in, and tap better system and online features like patches, accomplishments, etc.

I wish Sega would publish these entertaining games on the platforms where their players are, instead of on the one that's the least demanding for development overhead.
DrDeath3191's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/25/2010 21:11
DrDeath3191
^ Dev costs. Developing a game for the Wii costs about a third of what it costs for an HD game.
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