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luckily I already downloaded this. I'll always be available as a torrent, sega has no ability to clamp down on it now that so many already have it.
Maybe they'll settle something with them to both protect the copyright and release the game. Sega can charge $1. Win-win.
Gee! I hope Sega never finds out about Sonic Fan Games HQ! They would have kittens! And definitely don't lead them to this site!
Gotta protect those brands!
Gotta protect those brands!
Dick move, Sega. Apparently the team contacted Sega in the past and they had no problem with the fan made game.
Apparently not.
Apparently not.
It's been in development for 8 fucking years. If this was about property rights then why didn't they complain before the team spent nearly a decade of their lives on this project? Probably because it makes Sega's treatment of their own retro franchises look like shit.
If SEGA wants to make this right, they can start by licensing the work done by these gents, polishing it up a bit and releasing it -- while cutting the devs in for a cut.
If SEGA wants to make this right.
If SEGA wants to make this right.
Dear Sega,
You took away the greatest Streets of Rage game I have ever played from the general public. (well not really, once it's on the internet, it will never be lost forever) If you are truly serious about keeping your intellectual property, put your money where your mouth is and make a new Streets of Rage. But don't hire some random people or *shudder*, Sonic Team to do it. Get Bomber Games to do it. NO SERIOUSLY GET BOMBERGAMES TO DO IT. You can tell by the amount of work that went into the remake that they have a deep understanding of the series, and they know what makes a great Streets of Rage game. So yeah, make that happen.
With love (?)
-Fuze (long time Sega fan, but yeah this was a dick move)
PS: Seriously, don't half ass a new Streets of Rage. If that THING you called Golden Axe recently is anything to go by, you guys have NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
You took away the greatest Streets of Rage game I have ever played from the general public. (well not really, once it's on the internet, it will never be lost forever) If you are truly serious about keeping your intellectual property, put your money where your mouth is and make a new Streets of Rage. But don't hire some random people or *shudder*, Sonic Team to do it. Get Bomber Games to do it. NO SERIOUSLY GET BOMBERGAMES TO DO IT. You can tell by the amount of work that went into the remake that they have a deep understanding of the series, and they know what makes a great Streets of Rage game. So yeah, make that happen.
With love (?)
-Fuze (long time Sega fan, but yeah this was a dick move)
PS: Seriously, don't half ass a new Streets of Rage. If that THING you called Golden Axe recently is anything to go by, you guys have NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
they better give us a new Streets of Rage, they keep dragging Sonic out every ten minutes, why can't they make another SOR or maybe even get these guys to make a new one!
Am I the only one who finds the timing a bit weird, like they waited until pretty much everyone who was going to download it had downloaded it? I don't feel like it was a dick move, more waiting until the absolute last minute to have it pulled so everyone could play it anyway.
I think they know that now it's out in the open, the internets will have it forever, but they need the legal stuff to be in order, so they waited for it to be released to do that, 'cause if they'd cut it in the begining we would never have that great game SoRR is, now we have it, it can't be taken away, it hasn't been.
I think they know that now it's out in the open, the internets will have it forever, but they need the legal stuff to be in order, so they waited for it to be released to do that, 'cause if they'd cut it in the begining we would never have that great game SoRR is, now we have it, it can't be taken away, it hasn't been.
This seems like a missed opportunity to at least hint that Sega has some interest in making a new SoR. :(
Everyone should do their part and show Sega what they think about them having this pull: Download SoRR. You can find it easily on your own, and it's well worth it. Fuck their legal guys.
It's called "setting precedence." Basically, if you ignore law breaking, then you cannot suddenly choose to enforce said law.
Learned this from my 11th grade conspiracy-theorist history teacher. He was awesome.
Learned this from my 11th grade conspiracy-theorist history teacher. He was awesome.
Easy fix. Pay the dude that made it a little money (since he was doing it for free anyway) and release it officially on a bunch of platforms for a few bucks and call it "Streets of Rage: Legends."
Fun and profit for everyone.
Fun and profit for everyone.
@Lemon-Fresh
The dev team had prior approval from Sega to develop and release the game. You can't give someone approval and then pull it after the product is released. Thats illegal since its a bait-and-switch.
The dev team had prior approval from Sega to develop and release the game. You can't give someone approval and then pull it after the product is released. Thats illegal since its a bait-and-switch.
I had always thought that fan games were considered the same as fan art, and that they were more-or-less "okay" as long as A) It doesn't try to represent itself as official work, and B) It doesn't try to make a profit.
I mean, TECHNICALLY, fan art is copyright infringement, and they are perfectly within their legal rights to take ANY fan production down regardless of its economic impact - but much like how it's perfectly legal for top players to pick Akuma in Super Turbo but they don't because it's a dick move, most companies don't go after their hardcore fans because it's a dick move and they realize that they are attacking the very people who helped them pay for their third beach house.
I mean, TECHNICALLY, fan art is copyright infringement, and they are perfectly within their legal rights to take ANY fan production down regardless of its economic impact - but much like how it's perfectly legal for top players to pick Akuma in Super Turbo but they don't because it's a dick move, most companies don't go after their hardcore fans because it's a dick move and they realize that they are attacking the very people who helped them pay for their third beach house.
Streets of Rage Remake was released before v5. The forum has the v4 FAQ (with its own link to the download topic) dated as Jan 2007. The v4 FAQ also requested people not mention the project to Sega. The SORR guys apparently didn't contact Sega until after v4's release, so whatever permissions the SORR guys did ultimately get were presumably received after version 4 was already available for download.
What killed SORR is the massive publicity v5 gained, probably itself due to being called "complete" and people talking about how long the project has been in the works.
Even if Sega were silently supportive (which is a big assumption itself), they couldn't ignore it after all the various gaming sites and blogs were praising the project.
Unfortunately, we probably won't ever know exactly what happened. The SORR forum post didn't go into details as to what kind of specific permissions they sought and received, or how those requests were worded (as the people contacted at Sega might have thought the SORR guys were asking for something different.) As well, the SORR guys didn't give details on Sega's request to remove the download. Sega itself has only given a stock response. There could easily be things believed and said behind closed doors that either side might not want made public. For example, if Sega did silently approve of the project, they can't just say that publicly. Or it could be something embarrassing, or whatever.
What killed SORR is the massive publicity v5 gained, probably itself due to being called "complete" and people talking about how long the project has been in the works.
Even if Sega were silently supportive (which is a big assumption itself), they couldn't ignore it after all the various gaming sites and blogs were praising the project.
Unfortunately, we probably won't ever know exactly what happened. The SORR forum post didn't go into details as to what kind of specific permissions they sought and received, or how those requests were worded (as the people contacted at Sega might have thought the SORR guys were asking for something different.) As well, the SORR guys didn't give details on Sega's request to remove the download. Sega itself has only given a stock response. There could easily be things believed and said behind closed doors that either side might not want made public. For example, if Sega did silently approve of the project, they can't just say that publicly. Or it could be something embarrassing, or whatever.
Why do they crack down on this but let stuff like "Sonic: Knuckles Deep in my Shadow Hole" stay up on fan sites? If Sega really cared about any of their properties (Other than Sonic, which I've never been a fan of and wish would just die already) we'd see games for them and not have to rely on fan made projects to play them.
This doesn't matter. The game is out there and will be up on a thousand different sites and available on torrents.
@Lemon-Fresh
Ah of course, and you can see this tragic effect especially with the Mario series - after hundreds and hundreds of fan games, it's like Nintendo don't even own the franchise anymore! The games are failing!
...wait a minute...
Ah of course, and you can see this tragic effect especially with the Mario series - after hundreds and hundreds of fan games, it's like Nintendo don't even own the franchise anymore! The games are failing!
...wait a minute...
@Lemon-Fresh
Ah of course, and you can see this tragic effect especially with the Mario series - after hundreds and hundreds of fan games, it's like Nintendo don't even own the franchise anymore! The games are failing!
...wait a minute...
Ah of course, and you can see this tragic effect especially with the Mario series - after hundreds and hundreds of fan games, it's like Nintendo don't even own the franchise anymore! The games are failing!
...wait a minute...
MaximusPaynicus gets my vote. If Sega were to commission the guys that put all the hard work in SORR into porting it for PS3/360, I would pay $10-15 for a chance to nab some trophies/achievements in that wonderful tribute of a game. If they were to throw in all the original arcade versions as unlockables or something I might even pay another $5. Make it happen, please?
*cough* Nothing dies on the internet *cough*
http://flashmirrors.com/files/0y1kzatggnvz8l6/BKRv5.rar
http://flashmirrors.com/files/0y1kzatggnvz8l6/BKRv5.rar
If SEGA was really concerned about protecting intellectual property, they would have removed Sonic recolors and furry art from Deviant Art. DO NOT STEAL THIS COMMENT. THIS COMMENT IS PROPERTY OF DETECTIVE NO 27©
I actually think SEGA were merciful by letting them distribute it for few days before coming in. The game is in the wild now, people who care enough about it can get it, and those that don't will more than likely go to SEGA to get their SOR fix.
A low blow is what square did in the wrap up to the chrono remake release. Let them do the work then deny them of any recompense. I can't think of anything SEGA could have done to make it less heart breaking.
A low blow is what square did in the wrap up to the chrono remake release. Let them do the work then deny them of any recompense. I can't think of anything SEGA could have done to make it less heart breaking.
I think it wouldn't have been a problem, say, 4 years ago when Sega weren't using the franchises on current consoles, but the fact that the Streets of Rage games are being released on several compilations of late means they haven't finished using it. Sadly, from what I've played of it the game appears to rip a lot from the franchise when they could have made it their own. The stupid thing is that if they hadn't ridden on the back of Streets Of Rage and developed their own characters and IP, they wouldn't have had a problem. I say: scratch the Sega-owned content and re-release it on it's own merits rather than on someone else's coat-tails.
If you cover a song, you need the rights and consent of the authors at publication time. If you re-do a movie, you need the consent of the copyright holders. You wouldn't be surprised if Warner pulled a shot-for-shot fan-made remake of The Matrix starring CGI likenesses and the complete dialogue from the movie, so why does anyone think it's different for games?
Let's hope for the best, and let's hope that Sega are going to bring on the programmers to republish it properly.
If you cover a song, you need the rights and consent of the authors at publication time. If you re-do a movie, you need the consent of the copyright holders. You wouldn't be surprised if Warner pulled a shot-for-shot fan-made remake of The Matrix starring CGI likenesses and the complete dialogue from the movie, so why does anyone think it's different for games?
Let's hope for the best, and let's hope that Sega are going to bring on the programmers to republish it properly.
There is so much fury from everybody, but can't anybody see the positive side of things?
Yes. SEGA has to ask them to take it down to "protect their intelligent properties" but they let them release it in the first place. If SEGA wanted to be true dicks they would've shut them down right before release.
SEGA isn't COMPLETELY dumb. They know that if something hits the internet it's out there forever and they can't contain it. With that in mind, they allowed this project to release and get out there into the internet. They let it propagate a bit and they HAVE to know that there is no way it will ever be contained.
Why ask them to "officially" take it offline? To cover their own asses. This way if, for some ungodly reason, this game causes any computer problems or leads some mentally unfit person to beat somebody over the head with a lead pipe in order to eat a turkey, SEGA can wash their hands of the game of any issues by claiming it isn't their work and it was ordered to be taken down.
SEGA had to do what they needed to do from a company perspective. SEGA DIDN'T have to allow the game to release at all, but they did. For that, I think they should get a little slack in this situation for allowing it to release in the first place.
Then again, if they were REALLY smart, they'd have made a deal with these guys to officially port it to current gen systems as a new downloadable title. Who knows? Maybe it's already happening behind the scenes, but to make the most impact the game has to be taken down.
Yes. SEGA has to ask them to take it down to "protect their intelligent properties" but they let them release it in the first place. If SEGA wanted to be true dicks they would've shut them down right before release.
SEGA isn't COMPLETELY dumb. They know that if something hits the internet it's out there forever and they can't contain it. With that in mind, they allowed this project to release and get out there into the internet. They let it propagate a bit and they HAVE to know that there is no way it will ever be contained.
Why ask them to "officially" take it offline? To cover their own asses. This way if, for some ungodly reason, this game causes any computer problems or leads some mentally unfit person to beat somebody over the head with a lead pipe in order to eat a turkey, SEGA can wash their hands of the game of any issues by claiming it isn't their work and it was ordered to be taken down.
SEGA had to do what they needed to do from a company perspective. SEGA DIDN'T have to allow the game to release at all, but they did. For that, I think they should get a little slack in this situation for allowing it to release in the first place.
Then again, if they were REALLY smart, they'd have made a deal with these guys to officially port it to current gen systems as a new downloadable title. Who knows? Maybe it's already happening behind the scenes, but to make the most impact the game has to be taken down.
I said it on the Sega forums. Buy the game, release it for XBLA/PSN, give the guys a cut. They worked on it for EIGHT YEARS!
The problem with this is not knowing the full story. Maybe SEGA was waiting to see just how much of a demand was there for a Streets of Rage before taking it down. Or maybe SEGA was all this time trying to figure out a way to not takedown the game. I hope the dust settles before anyone thinks of doing a Shinobi Remake.
I mean SEGA has a great catalog for remakes, but I only see them caring about a blue hedgehog that runs fast as hell...
I mean SEGA has a great catalog for remakes, but I only see them caring about a blue hedgehog that runs fast as hell...
It makes sense, they are still selling Streets of Rage games on their Ultimate Genesis Collection and for download on other platforms. People might not like it (I don't think it will cut into any of those sales) but I think sega is perfectly within their rights with this one.
This is the perfect result. SEGA allowed the game to be released, and now it's readily available to anyone who ants it. SEGA now issues this statement because it has to, for both its IP rights and its shareholders.
Why are people so fucking upset about this? Has anyone bitching actually tried to DL the game today? It's all over the place.
This really could not have gone better.
Why are people so fucking upset about this? Has anyone bitching actually tried to DL the game today? It's all over the place.
This really could not have gone better.
Someone should punish Sega for not making a SoR game this generation.
It's the sort of thing that PSN/XBL should be made for. Even Streets of Rage 2 HD with drop-in and out gameplay and a few additions (maybe some new specials, some sort of item-collection as currency for items, etc.) would be enough to make the tip of my dick explode in excitement.
It's the sort of thing that PSN/XBL should be made for. Even Streets of Rage 2 HD with drop-in and out gameplay and a few additions (maybe some new specials, some sort of item-collection as currency for items, etc.) would be enough to make the tip of my dick explode in excitement.
This is not a "dick move" by Sega. It is what is required by US IP law. If they do not actively protect their property they lose the ability to protect it in the future. This happens under a defence of Laches or equitable waiver. The judge will see that in legal terms they have "slumbered on their rights", which will preclude them from recovery.
You should be upset at US IP law, not Sega. However, there is nothing barring Sega from licensing the property to others or giving copies of the game away for free. They just can't let others do it.
You should be upset at US IP law, not Sega. However, there is nothing barring Sega from licensing the property to others or giving copies of the game away for free. They just can't let others do it.
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