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Sega pushed for Dreamcast compatiblity with the Xbox photo

Of course, it didn't happen, but that would have been fantastic. The story goes that SEGA Chairman Isao Okawa visited Microsoft to push his agenda. He wanted his Dreamcast games to be compatible with Microsoft's then shiny new Xbox. Okawa said that it would be a sort of upgrade path for current Dreamcast owners. It would also possibly help save a dying console.

Microsoft didn't bite. Okawa wanted his games to have the fancy online capability that MS was pushing. Microsoft only wanted online for their games. SEGA was handing over customers, but I'm sure Microsoft didn't want to have to pay to retool their game system for this compatibility.

I wonder if Microsoft would have done differently today, looking back. This would surely have helped them out in the Japanese market.

If you're anything like me, you still look at your Dreamcast fondly. I wonder if this would have helped Sega hold on longer or even succeed. Up for a little Shenmue 2 on Xbox, anyone?

How Xbox Could Have Helped The Dreamcast Survive [Kotaku]








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free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 13:24
free touch
Well, the ps3 dreamcast stuff can't happen fast enough now.
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 13:27
RenegadePanda
WTF MICROSOFT?

Out of all the things to turn down, you turn down this? I loved the Xbox, I loved the Dreamcast, the two together...? It could have been such a beautiful little illegitimate love child.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 13:29
Mr Andy Dixon
Never owned a Sega console, but this still saddens me.

Microsoft could have totally killed Sony's "everything" ad, too: "Oh yeah? But does it play... Dreamcast games?!?"
Draxxlith's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 13:32
Draxxlith
But I'm sure the legal fun with all the people who made games for the Dreamcast and not the Xbox affected that, as well as Xbox Live integration, since online was mentioned. Still though, would have been plain amazing.
Chase Strickland's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 13:33
Chase Strickland
And after all these years, that controller still pisses me off.

@ RenegadePanda

Curious, what dreamcast game would you be playing over last-gen xbox games?? I personally choose Halo over Chu Chu Rocket any day.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 13:34
The Silent Protagonist
Sony kills their "everything ads." It only does everything... but play PS2 games.

Also, Shenmue 2 [b[was[/b[ on the Xbox. Not enough people came out to support it or any of the games that were really a legacy to Dreamcast - Gun Valkyrie, Jet Set Radio Future, Crazy Taxi 3 or Panzer Dragoon Orta.
zer0faults's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 13:35
zer0faults
Rival School!!
free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 13:38
free touch
Chase: that's your opinion. congrats.

There is a huge catalog of Fighters on the dreamcast.

The inclusion of DC games on XBL like Rez and Ikaruga should tell you there is a market for the games.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 13:38
Xzyliac
Awmigod. Xbox that plays Dreamcast?

*heart attack*
Czech Monster's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 13:42
Czech Monster
Thank God they didn't do it.
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 13:44
RenegadePanda
@Chase Strickland

If I didn't have a Dreamcast, I'd be playing a lot of games in addition to the Xbox library. Namely Jet Set Radio, Skies of Arcadia, Grandia 2, Space Channel 5, Shenmue, Virtual On etc. There are at least 2 dozen games I loved for DC that would have complemented the (imo) excellent Xbox catalog of games.
CharleyTony's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 13:53
CharleyTony
wow considering how the dreamcast stuff has stayed in the mind of gamers all those years, if Microsoft did make DC games work on the original xbox ( or xbox 360), everybody would have gone crazy...

really sad it didn't work out.
martinine's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 14:02
martinine
Panzer Dragoon Orta was the jam... I still want to play Shenmue on my Xbox. Just be certain that's Shenmue 3 on Xbox 360. I can dream can't I?
angry midgits's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 14:06
angry midgits
I only look back on my Dreamcast thinking to myself...
"God I can't believe I wasted 300 bucks on that"

I do agree that maybe with how hard it has been for them to breach the market in Japan they maybe would have taken the offer if they had a time machine or some shit...

I do remember having a lot of fun playing Sonic on that thing though.
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 14:06
Arttemis
Wow, this is depressing news. I knew Microsoft had a hand in developing the Dreamcast software, but I never knew of any plea to combine the platform with Microsoft's official system. If only it had gone through... I'm sure there would have been games continuing to be developed for that system by at least some 3rd party developers.

We need more integration. We're on the "seventh" generation of consoles, for Christ's sake! What the hell is with this push toward making people buy half a dozen consoles to play their software library, when the hardware needed to emulate is readily available, and the parts needed for other backwards compatibility is still being mass produced.

Fuck, I really hate this industry sometimes.
pl0x kthanxbai's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 14:09
pl0x kthanxbai
SEE XBOX? THATS WHY YOU LOST!!!!


altough the ps2 is my favorite console of all time due to its endless library of must-own titles (from which i dont even have one tenth of it) and the fact it exists in a theorical time-space void explaining its apparent immortality


i must admit that before that i was quite fond of the dremcast, afterall no other console has managed to create a fighting game as fucking amazing as powerstone 2
psycho terror2's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 14:14
psycho terror2
DC > XBOX

that said, if this had happened there wouldn't have been much reason to own a DC so i don't see how they were intended to co-exist.

at face value it seems like M$ made the smart move and helped kill off a rival, but IMO they would have been WAY better off adding the DC back catalogue to XBOX if only to compete with sony's massive PS1 collection.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 14:14
Xzyliac
Okay I'm back. As an ex-Dreamcast AND Xbox fanboy I'm sure I would've been in heaven.
Frohike's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 14:26
Frohike
I'll stick with the import version of Shenmue 2 on Dreamcast.

In any case, if this had gone down, we might be playing Shenmue IV now :(
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 14:34
HEL105
I am displeased that this didn't happen. Luckily, I still have a tidy collection of the best Dreamcast games, and my DC still purrs like a kitten, all these years later.
Czech Monster's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 14:35
Czech Monster
If Dreamcast was such a kick ass system why the hell did it fail and didn't sell better? Help me understand.

@ pl0x kthanxbai,

you and the SDF are a reason why I hate to turn my PS3 on.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 14:42
Excel-2011
This sounds like an incredibly implausible idea. I don't know much about the internals of the Xbox and the Dreamcast, but the Xbox might have to have been even bigger if this were to pass. Not to mention that the DVD drive would have to be modified to read Dreamcast discs as well. I just want to know how they planned to emulate the VMU.

How many Dreamcast games were based on Windows CE, anyway?
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 14:43
RenegadePanda
@Czech Monster

Dreamcast failed for several reasons, the biggest was failure to market and competition from Nintendo and Sony. By the time Dreamcast came out, a lot of people had lost faith in SEGA as a company and never gave their products a second look. Because of all that, third party support was lacking as well, not to mention the console was a bit too ambitious for it's time. A lot of features that people simply didn't understand or know about. In short, it was a victim of it's own innovation.
free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 14:43
free touch
Czech: if xbox is such a great system, why does it still not sell in japan?

Dreamcast is still big enough in japan that companies are still releasing independent titles for the system.

Can you claim that for any last gen system here?
jay section's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 14:52
jay section
Do want!
Touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 14:58
Touch
@Frohike: Ain't that the truth! I can't believe that in many ways we have Microsoft to blame for the demise of the Shenmue series....
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 15:07
RenegadePanda
@Touch

It's Microsoft's fault the DC didn't sell? Where is the logic in that. If anything, the Xbox is the only reason the US even saw Shenmue 2. It would have come to Dreamcast if SEGA had held strong and managed to sell their console. You should be happy we even got Shenmue 2. And as stated, Japan still supported the DC long after it died here, so they could have easily kept it going.
Rhuno's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 15:11
Rhuno
I always thought of the xbox as the spiritual dreamcast successor anyway. A lot of great sega games came out on it such as Panzer Dragoon, Jet Set Radio Future (my favorite), Shenmue 2 and others.
BS3 Owner's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 15:11
BS3 Owner
No wonder SEGA makes more exclusives for PS3.
e.i. ( Yakuza & Valkyrie Chronicles )

& 360 Only, Ports e.i. ( Bayonetta )
adam wolf's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 15:27
adam wolf
Really? People are still using M$?
adam wolf's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 15:34
adam wolf
And by that I mean M$ as an abbreviation for Microsoft not the products themselves.

On topic: I would love any opportunity to play some of my favorite DC games on any system.
Paroxysm's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 15:34
Paroxysm
If this had happened I would have bought an xbox. Oh well it's all done now.
atastysammich's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 15:46
atastysammich
Of course my Dreamcast is still valuable. Anybody who tells you that Radirgy came out on any other system is a liar.
LikeaRollingStone's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 15:47
LikeaRollingStone
The Xbox would have probably cost even more if they did this. (If I remember correctly, the Xbox costed an arm and a leg when it came out. They then made it cheaper, but they making a loss.)

It's a shame though. It would have kept the Dreamcast going for a little longer.
Monte's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 16:05
Monte
I forget, wasn't there a rumor or something going around about DC games on PS3. I recall something like a list of topics or something for things Sony was discussing, and i think one of them was DC emulation on the PS3... Ya still hoping on that happening.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 16:15
Excel-2011
@atastysammich:
You're calling the developers of one of your favorite games liars?
Reginald's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 16:18
Reginald
The Xbox basically WAS a dreamcast 1.5, at least for the beginning of its lifecycle. lots of games that were originally planned for release on the DC were canceled, bought by MS, and then transferred over to the Xbox. Jet set radio future, shenmue 2, and several others. I've always resented that.
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 16:21
Kyle MacGregor
When are they going to put Dreamcast games on the PS3?
Red TheHaze Veron's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 16:21
Red TheHaze Veron
I've heard rumors before from some games journalists from 1up who've mentioned that somewhere out there was an actual dev xbox running dreamcast games. I think that conversation had something to do with the release of the original Soul Calibur on XBLA.
lewness's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 16:38
lewness
Could they try to pitch this somewhere else since MS passed? Sony? Nintendo?
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 16:50
Xzyliac
@lewness
I think he means the original Xbox which would imply it's a long dead idea.

However the recent news of DC games coming to PSN and XBLX kinda reboot those ideas albeit through digital means. In my perfect world they actually release an emulator instead of titles for $60 and you can play Dreamcast disc.

Mmm...
RitualNet's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 16:56
RitualNet
I'd love to see more support for the Dreamcast
ehs xc 08's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 17:09
ehs xc 08
@ Dale
Once you said Shenmue 2 for Xbox, I decided to go look for it cause that was the first game my parents got me (for the Xbox).
Happy to say, I found it. Time for an extended weekend of nostalgia :)
fulldamage's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 17:21
fulldamage
On the bottom shelf of my entertainment center, my Dreamcast is gathering dust, stacked precariously on top of the non-flat surface of my original Xbox. They huddle together there in the dark, partners in a dream that never was. *single tear fall, shakuhachi blows in the distance*
Berkowitz1337's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 17:30
Berkowitz1337
It's universally known that the Xbox was Microsoft's foot in the door. They knew they were going to lose money and that they would get it back with their next console. It wouldn't have made much sense to throw away more money to keep a rival alive.
Fatalmuzza's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 17:33
Fatalmuzza
Under my 60" plasma sit : Xbox 360, PS3, Xbox1 for XBMC and House of the Dead 3 with Topgun2 and.......my Dreamcast with VGA input for 480p!
Touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 19:10
Touch
@RenagadePanda: My point is that the first Shenmue game could have reached a much wider audience if the X box had been given DC compatibility. Then it might not have been such a financial disaster for Sega and they might have greenlit the rest of the game. But instead, they just ported Shenmue 2, which always struck me as odd....

My comment was kinda tongue-in-cheek, too...
WarZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2010 22:06
WarZombie
Damn, of all the things to fucking turn down. This would've definitely helped them out in Japan, because Sega's games would've been the only thing Japanese about the Xbox. Damn, MS, you disappoint me so damn much.
Z0L0's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/15/2010 05:22
Z0L0
Sega 'Mr all-powerful Microsoft, pretty please could you give our Dreamcast kiss of life on your brick-like new console?'. Microsoft 'Kiss of life? No way we're kissing another dude- be gone!'
LsTr Of SmG's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/15/2010 06:26
LsTr Of SmG
Stupid decision on Microsoft's part. SEGA had great brand loyalty, particularly in Japan and this would have helped them to no end.

Can you imagine if they had? The 360 would be doing better now had the original Xbox made this token gesture towards Japanese fans.

Not to mention it would mean I didn't have to replace my Dreamcast for the third time just last week...
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