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I'm almost glad Metroid isn't out in the UK for a bit yet, so I have time to complete Bioshock.
Almost.
Almost.
Rainbow Six Vegas is more hardcore than Gears, in my opinion.. but Metroid used to be REALLY hardcore. It's sad that a game with 20 years to gain an fan base, has been almost overthrown by a newcomer first person shooter on (suprise) the 360, that doesn't need online.
I think thats why there's such a comparison, because both games claim there is no need for multiplayer.
I'm a Gears kid.
I think thats why there's such a comparison, because both games claim there is no need for multiplayer.
I'm a Gears kid.
Now that I've beaten bioshock twice, I can finally buy this.
And gears is not hardcore. It's fun, and awesome, and one of the best games of the year, but it's not hardcore.
And I'm not too surprised that it might beat out Bioshock. Metroid has the name that Bioshock doesn't. I know people that were obsessed with System Shock 2, and didn't even know Bioshock was already released.
And gears is not hardcore. It's fun, and awesome, and one of the best games of the year, but it's not hardcore.
And I'm not too surprised that it might beat out Bioshock. Metroid has the name that Bioshock doesn't. I know people that were obsessed with System Shock 2, and didn't even know Bioshock was already released.
Hardcore? Yawn. Who cares?
And for every grandma/toddler gamer, you know there's like 50,000 "hardcore" gamers that own a Wii. Don't base your conception of the system on what Nintendo would LIKE you to believe.
And for every grandma/toddler gamer, you know there's like 50,000 "hardcore" gamers that own a Wii. Don't base your conception of the system on what Nintendo would LIKE you to believe.
I don't think install base has anything to do with it. The Wii barely has more market share than the 360 at this point.
It's more name than anything. This is a game that a lot of people with Wiis have been waiting for. Aside from those people, plenty of others needed an excuse to dust off their Wiis, and Samus provides a very valid one.
When you consider how many people didn't expect Bioshock (ie people who have had their heads burried in the sand), and when you consider how many Halo fans absolutely refuse to acknowledge any other FPS franchise (go to Bnet and see how many people have said "Bioshock sucks"), it's not all that surprising.
Give credit where credit is due, though. Well done, Ms. Aran.
It's more name than anything. This is a game that a lot of people with Wiis have been waiting for. Aside from those people, plenty of others needed an excuse to dust off their Wiis, and Samus provides a very valid one.
When you consider how many people didn't expect Bioshock (ie people who have had their heads burried in the sand), and when you consider how many Halo fans absolutely refuse to acknowledge any other FPS franchise (go to Bnet and see how many people have said "Bioshock sucks"), it's not all that surprising.
Give credit where credit is due, though. Well done, Ms. Aran.
Haven't heard anyone mention Deus Ex in a long time. I had a lot of fun with the PC version a couple years back; definitely one of my favorite games.
I'm not sure it's important for the "hardcore" gamers to label a game as being "hardcore", so much as the casual gamers and Grandmas who are scared of anything that moves quickly and has an average sit-down-and-play time of 4-5 hours.
That's the way I've always thought of it, a label that was placed on gamers who take their shit a little more seriously by gamers who don't take that shit all that seriously.
I've avoided the Wii up to this point because there haven't really been any games that appeal to me. I'm a big JRPG guy (I enjoy tedium), a genre which has been ill-represented thus far in this generation. Though I'm aware that it's a genre that usually takes a little while to take off in each generation. Metroid isn't an RPG by any means, but it offers exploration on the same level as an RPG, which is one of the things I love most about the genre.
So this will probably be the game to put me over the edge. I know games like this for the Wii will probably be few and far between in the beginning (looking forward to No More Heroes!), but given that its installed base is roughly 10 hojillion already, I think they'll start to trickle down, just like they did with the PS2.
I'm not sure it's important for the "hardcore" gamers to label a game as being "hardcore", so much as the casual gamers and Grandmas who are scared of anything that moves quickly and has an average sit-down-and-play time of 4-5 hours.
That's the way I've always thought of it, a label that was placed on gamers who take their shit a little more seriously by gamers who don't take that shit all that seriously.
I've avoided the Wii up to this point because there haven't really been any games that appeal to me. I'm a big JRPG guy (I enjoy tedium), a genre which has been ill-represented thus far in this generation. Though I'm aware that it's a genre that usually takes a little while to take off in each generation. Metroid isn't an RPG by any means, but it offers exploration on the same level as an RPG, which is one of the things I love most about the genre.
So this will probably be the game to put me over the edge. I know games like this for the Wii will probably be few and far between in the beginning (looking forward to No More Heroes!), but given that its installed base is roughly 10 hojillion already, I think they'll start to trickle down, just like they did with the PS2.
I don't believe you can just say it has to do with the name.
If you look at the sales for Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, they were far less than Metroid Prime, and only sold 490,000 within the first two months. (Wikipedia)
This has to do with the name and the fact that everyone has said it is a damn good game. And word of mouth carries.
If you look at the sales for Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, they were far less than Metroid Prime, and only sold 490,000 within the first two months. (Wikipedia)
This has to do with the name and the fact that everyone has said it is a damn good game. And word of mouth carries.
@gregmoney
I'm in the Boston area too and I was just casually looking for it this weekend and didn't see any copies anywhere. Though I don't shop at EBStop anymore, where I'm sure I could find 7 used copies for $3 off the new price and one "new" copy that every employee in the store has run the train on.
I'm in the Boston area too and I was just casually looking for it this weekend and didn't see any copies anywhere. Though I don't shop at EBStop anymore, where I'm sure I could find 7 used copies for $3 off the new price and one "new" copy that every employee in the store has run the train on.
haha, EBnazistop didn't even have the soiled reshrink wrapped train copy! i bet a new batch will come in tonite, i probably shoulda waited... but Bioshock is pretty sick so not a big loss.
@RoyRP216: No, you're not. I love my little white box.
The term 'Hardcore gamer' is thrown around a lot, with nobody really knowing what it is, only basing their use of the term on what they think it means. There is no real set meaning for it.
I think a real hardcore gamer plays anything and everything, so long as it's good. A hardcore gamer doesn't have blinders on and is in no way a fanboy, although he may have an affinity for one system over another, he won't absolutely write of any other system and any other game because of that. Sometimes, he'll dust off the ol' Atari 2600 or Colecovision and give that a go. That's what a hardcore gamer signifies to me.
And Samus, sweetheart, you can be on top any time, but why won't you call me back?
The term 'Hardcore gamer' is thrown around a lot, with nobody really knowing what it is, only basing their use of the term on what they think it means. There is no real set meaning for it.
I think a real hardcore gamer plays anything and everything, so long as it's good. A hardcore gamer doesn't have blinders on and is in no way a fanboy, although he may have an affinity for one system over another, he won't absolutely write of any other system and any other game because of that. Sometimes, he'll dust off the ol' Atari 2600 or Colecovision and give that a go. That's what a hardcore gamer signifies to me.
And Samus, sweetheart, you can be on top any time, but why won't you call me back?
It is nice to see more games coming out for the Wii that I might drop $50 for. Somehow, I bought my Wii and my mom and sister are getting more play time on it then I am. Of course I blame Madden and COD4 Beta for all my attention.
It is nice to see more games coming out for the Wii that I might drop $50 for. Somehow, I bought my Wii and my mom and sister are getting more play time on it then I am. Of course I blame Madden and COD4 Beta for all my attention.
I don't see how Metroid is not hardcore!
If Metroid was on the 360 or PS3MO, people would call it hardcore but since it is on the Wii it is not considered hardcore. Metroid is not a game that a Grandma or older lady would pick up. It is a game that a lot of teens and adults will pick up. There is nothing kiddy about it. Sure, no one's head gets blown off or anything but that doesn't make it any less hardcore. Did Okami have head blow offs? I never played it but isn't that game considered hardcore?
I bet if Okami came out on the Wii, people would say it was casual cause it didn't have chainsaws or whatever.
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption is hardcore, just cause it is on a "friendly" console doesn't mean it isn't hardcore. Resident Evil 4 was remade for this console, does that make it less hardcore?
If Metroid was on the 360 or PS3MO, people would call it hardcore but since it is on the Wii it is not considered hardcore. Metroid is not a game that a Grandma or older lady would pick up. It is a game that a lot of teens and adults will pick up. There is nothing kiddy about it. Sure, no one's head gets blown off or anything but that doesn't make it any less hardcore. Did Okami have head blow offs? I never played it but isn't that game considered hardcore?
I bet if Okami came out on the Wii, people would say it was casual cause it didn't have chainsaws or whatever.
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption is hardcore, just cause it is on a "friendly" console doesn't mean it isn't hardcore. Resident Evil 4 was remade for this console, does that make it less hardcore?
Yes Blindside, and always will be.
Leigh, for the love of god, I hope Hardcore is never defined through the buying patterns! Oh lawdy..
But I agree : You commit yourself to a website that is pertaining to your dedicated hobby = Hardcore. 4lyfe.
Leigh, for the love of god, I hope Hardcore is never defined through the buying patterns! Oh lawdy..
But I agree : You commit yourself to a website that is pertaining to your dedicated hobby = Hardcore. 4lyfe.
I love Destructoid because it's a big system love fest. Anywhere else a post like this would be filled with hate on the Wii or the Gears or whatever. Flame wars ensue. Here we all yell "Hey! I play all my games and systmes even if I can't afford a PS3! I just want quality!" like we're indignant the very idea that someone would think to not play all the games readily availalbe to them.
So awesome.
So awesome.
I dont really care about all that hardcore/casual discussion, I just care that MP3 so far has been a blast, rollin around all ball like and blastering the hell out of a giant teradactyl space pirate that shoots laser beams from his head. Bioshock is top priority, but MP3 is calling soon....
This game is probabaly the only decent thing on the Wii, well apart from the VC.....oh and maybe Wii sports...
Ive never really been a 3D metriod fan though, however you can bet your bottom dollar ninty will bring out every franchise they have out!! Hardcore or not, you will see em, if they fit in the hardcore catogory then so be it, if not they dont care.money money money its what makes the world go around......oh and the sun....
cant wait for f-zero....
Ive never really been a 3D metriod fan though, however you can bet your bottom dollar ninty will bring out every franchise they have out!! Hardcore or not, you will see em, if they fit in the hardcore catogory then so be it, if not they dont care.money money money its what makes the world go around......oh and the sun....
cant wait for f-zero....
Yeah, it makes sense since there are a huge amount of Metroid fans!
I think the term "hardcore" gets abused enough. A good game is a good game, keep it at that.
I think the term "hardcore" gets abused enough. A good game is a good game, keep it at that.
I for one am glad that both games are selling great, and don't give a damn which one ultimately sells more. Both have been getting great reviews, and it makes me happy when critically acclaimed games make monies instead of getting ignored by consumers.
Metroid is not hardcore. It's a first party Nintendo game. It's no wonder Metroid beat out BioShock in sales. What else has the Wii had? Honestly, who really cares. This doesn't mean that MP3 is a better game than BioShock. It just means the Wii targets a larger audience. Done and done.
@Leigh Alexander
First off, good job on lulz. Makes the morning easier.
Second off, I think Metroid outselling Bioshock is a little different in terms of an equal comparison. Can't really put such a well known inviting female badass with the phatest l00t since Naxxramas that has had previous sequels to a sucessful series such as this to a game like Bioshock. Just not the same.
Triple off, you bring up a very valid point, but Resident Evil did it better. Resident Evil 4 was actually worth buying than that shitty PS2 port, but it also was fun and very smooth in terms of game play. Now would a game like Gears of War work as well? Probably not, but it's also engineered towards the 360 controller. That and Metroid Prime Triple have opened up that "hardcore" possibility.
Lolfoghat4u.
First off, good job on lulz. Makes the morning easier.
Second off, I think Metroid outselling Bioshock is a little different in terms of an equal comparison. Can't really put such a well known inviting female badass with the phatest l00t since Naxxramas that has had previous sequels to a sucessful series such as this to a game like Bioshock. Just not the same.
Triple off, you bring up a very valid point, but Resident Evil did it better. Resident Evil 4 was actually worth buying than that shitty PS2 port, but it also was fun and very smooth in terms of game play. Now would a game like Gears of War work as well? Probably not, but it's also engineered towards the 360 controller. That and Metroid Prime Triple have opened up that "hardcore" possibility.
Lolfoghat4u.
@Leigh. Can't we have another term other than 'hardcore'. It has extremely negative connotations outside of gaming and describes a certain set of people who play games as their major pastime. I play a lot of games, but I'd never go Halo or PGR online because I'm simply not a good enough player. These are 'hardcore' games. Now, if I was to go online on Fight Night Round 3, then I'd stand a chance of showing some fancy moves, but this game is not 'hardcore' in the proper sense of the word.
Can we not have a term like 'hobbyist' or 'serious' gamer? It's not romantic or sexy, but it perhaps shows gamers in a better light, i.e., as someone who takes it seriously without all the negative BS that makes up being 'hardcore'. After all, how many people, when meeting someone they do not know A9and not on WoW or a forum) would say 'Hi I'm Alex, and I'm a hardcore gamer'? Not many, but I bet they would still admit to playing games.
Can we not have a term like 'hobbyist' or 'serious' gamer? It's not romantic or sexy, but it perhaps shows gamers in a better light, i.e., as someone who takes it seriously without all the negative BS that makes up being 'hardcore'. After all, how many people, when meeting someone they do not know A9and not on WoW or a forum) would say 'Hi I'm Alex, and I'm a hardcore gamer'? Not many, but I bet they would still admit to playing games.
@Leigh Alexander
hardcore games and gamers are a bunch of bullshit they just say because they think they are better than people who only play mario and sonic cause they play bioshock.
A good game is a good game.
@Zac Bentz
I agree 100%
hardcore games and gamers are a bunch of bullshit they just say because they think they are better than people who only play mario and sonic cause they play bioshock.
A good game is a good game.
@Zac Bentz
I agree 100%
Hardcore this hardcore that. A good game is a good game, and this is one. Can't really say it's better then BioShock though, but like you said the install base is much bigger and vast.
I think it is universally agreed that, while BioShock is brilliant in almost every way, it is way too easy. Can it still be Hardcore? The developers went out of their way to make it as accessible as possible... Unfortunately one way that they accomplish this was by making it a joke to complete (apparently even on Hard). Hardcore to me means that the game requires a high level of dedication to master.
@philonius
"Unfortunately one way that they accomplish this was by making it a joke to complete (apparently even on Hard). Hardcore to me means that the game requires a high level of dedication to master."
I can attest to Bioshock being way too easy, even on hard. I actually decided to play it on hard based on reviews I had read stating it was too easy. I think a majority of it was because of vita chambers which basically removed any penalty for dying, thus removing any need for strategy.
I can see how they would want to hit a larger target market by making the game more accessible to chumps, but to be fair, Devil May Cry 3 is arguably the hardest fucking game (Battletoads notwithstanding) in the universe, and it sold really well. I dunno, maybe Japanese developers can get away with it...
And based on your avatar, I can understand why your definition of hardcore is what it is. SMT FTW!!
"Unfortunately one way that they accomplish this was by making it a joke to complete (apparently even on Hard). Hardcore to me means that the game requires a high level of dedication to master."
I can attest to Bioshock being way too easy, even on hard. I actually decided to play it on hard based on reviews I had read stating it was too easy. I think a majority of it was because of vita chambers which basically removed any penalty for dying, thus removing any need for strategy.
I can see how they would want to hit a larger target market by making the game more accessible to chumps, but to be fair, Devil May Cry 3 is arguably the hardest fucking game (Battletoads notwithstanding) in the universe, and it sold really well. I dunno, maybe Japanese developers can get away with it...
And based on your avatar, I can understand why your definition of hardcore is what it is. SMT FTW!!
I think that it is fair to say that anyone who takes the time out of the day to register on a forum and debate the definition of a "hardcore" gamer, is hardcore. Really, does the definition really matter? It is just a way for us to feel better about ourselves as some "elite" class of gamers, as if that amounts to anything.
With that said, there is no litmus test we can apply as to whether a game is hardcore. If enough gamers on sites like these like it, then it must be hardcore, whether our personal preferences lean towards its style or not.
With that said, there is no litmus test we can apply as to whether a game is hardcore. If enough gamers on sites like these like it, then it must be hardcore, whether our personal preferences lean towards its style or not.
Gears and Deus players on the PC, the PC would say this isn't hardcore. Let me put something rather simply, if you're playing a shooter without Wii controls on a console, you're not hardcore. It's like you don't want to hit your target or something.
In any case, beat Prime 3 on hard mode and then you can tell me that it's not hardcore.
Last point, it's a strange thing to see really. Bioshock and Metroid are VERY similar games when you think about it. The stories are primarily told through scanning/picking up tape recordings, you're alone through most of the story.
It feels like with the huge responses that both games got that this is the magical formula for a good shooter and I like it.
In any case, beat Prime 3 on hard mode and then you can tell me that it's not hardcore.
Last point, it's a strange thing to see really. Bioshock and Metroid are VERY similar games when you think about it. The stories are primarily told through scanning/picking up tape recordings, you're alone through most of the story.
It feels like with the huge responses that both games got that this is the magical formula for a good shooter and I like it.
Leigh, I still haven't been given a good reason on why Strikers Charged doesn't count. I demand answers.
I don't know why I haven't picked up Prime 3 yet.
I have no definition of hardcore, but here's a good litmus test: if you've heard of Ikaruga and know what genre it is, then you are probably hardcore.
I have no definition of hardcore, but here's a good litmus test: if you've heard of Ikaruga and know what genre it is, then you are probably hardcore.
@Oni - this is exactly what I think of when I hear "hardcore gamer". I guess a hardcore gamer is anyone that isn't a casual gamer, although they may play casual games just for the heck of it.
I don't like to think that difficulty makes one hardcore. I, for one, like to enjoy my games, not get frustrated out of my mind. Hence, I usually play on the "Normal" or default settings of all of my games. I may not be legendary but I still have fun.
I don't like to think that difficulty makes one hardcore. I, for one, like to enjoy my games, not get frustrated out of my mind. Hence, I usually play on the "Normal" or default settings of all of my games. I may not be legendary but I still have fun.
I got my wii around june
i havent stopped playing it since, havent even touched my 360 since then, except for recently for blue dragon
i dont understand why i keep reading "dust off your wii" in every review of a wii game
and if they keep saying it for every game? wouldnt that mean that its in use?
i dont know about everyone else, but with a job and a family its not like i can beat zelda, RE4, metroid prime 3 etc in a day.. so my wii still gets plenty of play and when company comes over they love to check out wii sports and raving rabbids
i havent stopped playing it since, havent even touched my 360 since then, except for recently for blue dragon
i dont understand why i keep reading "dust off your wii" in every review of a wii game
and if they keep saying it for every game? wouldnt that mean that its in use?
i dont know about everyone else, but with a job and a family its not like i can beat zelda, RE4, metroid prime 3 etc in a day.. so my wii still gets plenty of play and when company comes over they love to check out wii sports and raving rabbids
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