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Sakaguchi: The Last Story is not a Final Fantasy rehash photo

It's a case of handbags at dawn as two Japanese RPG developers got involved in a little verbal jousting over Mistwalker's upcoming Wii game, The Last Story. Mistwalker boss and Final Fantasy creator Hironobu Sakaguchi was mocked by Final Fantasy Gaiden director Takashi Tokida for "rehashing" the very series he built. While most likely in jest, Sakaguchi still took the opportunity to justify his game.

The debate started when Tokida asked Sakaguchi, "How about stopping with the Final Fantasy rehashes?" The accusations were carried on in a more serious tone by a simple fan, who stated that he felt The Last Story did indeed look like it was just recreating Square Enix's franchise. 

"I think you'll feel this once you've tried it. LS is not a rehash," stated the Mistwalker chief, defending his game.

Considering we haven't really seen anything of The Last Story yet, outside of some artwork and plot details, it's a little early to make accusations. I think most of the "rehash" comments come simply from the fact that it's called The Last Story, which of course sounds very similar to Final Fantasy. Just goes to show you how easy it is to influence perception with a few simple words.

Hironobu Sakaguchi: The Last Story Not a Final Fantasy Rehash [Andria Sang]








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Stephen De Carlo's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 18:03
Stephen De Carlo
Well, let's see here. Judging by the logo alone.... It certainly looks like Final Fantsay. and the name is even a bit of a synonym.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 18:06
KingSigy
Art style wise, it does remind me of Final Fantasy. But, it's just a simple fact with RPGs that they always try to recreate Final Fantasy. It's the most popular of any JRPG out there, why stop?
nicojay's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 18:09
nicojay
I want to make a game called Epilogue Tale.

Anyway, it's not the story being told that matters, but how you tell it.
Vargas's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 18:10
Vargas
I agree with Jim, it's stupid to accuse The Last Story as being a Final Fantasy rip-off since we basically don't know anything about the game yet.

But if you're gonna rip-off a Final Fantasy game, I hope something like Final Fantasy IX comes out of this. Just because I think it's the best FF ever and Sakaguchi himself said that IX is his personal favorite.
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 18:17
Shadowiii
Tokida's just mad because Lost Odyssey was better then anything Square has made since Sakaguchi left.
Seriously, that's just childish.
Prince Ghidorah's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 18:17
Prince Ghidorah
I'm all for more quality RPGs whatever the source of inspiration is and could care less if the title and cover art are lacking in originality.
Butternine's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 18:18
Butternine
Judging by Mistwalker's excellent releases so far, I think it might be better to say this might be what Final Fantasy should be.

That being said, I'm about 50 hours into Final Fantasy XIII,and I'm loving the hell out of it. But I think it would have gotten better reception if they named it something else since, aside from the story and characters, it plays completely different from what we've come to know. I also thought Final Fantasy XI should have been called Final Fantasy: Online and Final Fantasy XIV called Final Fantasy: O2, but what do I know?

Note: I'm not trying to start anything, it's just my opinion. :)
hyakushiki1234's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 18:28
hyakushiki1234
I really love the work of Mistwalker and Sakaguchi. I have loved their offerings because of the traditionality and the great story, especially Lost Odysssey which had many parallels to Final Fantasy (me and some friends even even jokingly referred to it on several occaisions as Final Fantasy: The Lost Odyssey. But what else do people expect from Sakaguchi? The man created Final Fantasy for god's sake, of course his games will be created in a similar style. Either way, Last Story stands a very good chance of being my persoonal GOTY, an accolade currently held by Yakuza 3.
Pumpkin King's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 18:28
Pumpkin King
@Sebastian
Haha, never even thought of that. It's pretty much the same title.
eduh's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 18:43
eduh
i never noticed the name similarities either o.o
Udir Arashikage's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 18:44
Udir Arashikage
Sakaguchi's games are how Final Fantasy would have evolved if he was still with Square. As far as I am concerned, he can call them whatever the hell he wants.
TheRemix's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 18:47
TheRemix
He's worked with Sakaguchi for so long, and is upset that the creator of one of their biggest franchises is making another game in a similar style? Unless it's constructive criticism, why even say something like that? I don't recall Capcom getting all pissy when Hideki Kamiya went on his own way and made Bayonetta...
absolofdoom's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 18:49
absolofdoom
Perhaps, if you don't want people to draw such connections...you shouldn't give it such a daft name?
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 18:56
EternalDeathSlayer
The logo, the title, the producer. It all adds up to what looks exactly like an FF rehash. Of course, perhaps Square should stop rehashing FF themselves.

13 main games and endless spin-offs are enough. They should really stop making these games, and they would if they had any respect for themselves or their fans.

Of course, their fans still haven't realized that practically every FF game is the same shit as the last one, so I guess more power to them.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 19:00
Dv8thwonder
It's on like Donkey Kong!
chibilola's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 19:17
chibilola
I think the context of this "verbal jousting" is sorta lost in translation.

The article states Tokida asking Sakaguchi , "How about stopping with the FF rehash?". The source article (with twitter screenshots) shows that it's Sakaguchi jokingly talking to Tokida about the remakes he's done.

The entire conversation is very friendly and you can tell it's a social conversation between the two designer. The whole twitter convo seems like Tokida was talking about wrestling, and Sakaguchi just came in and sorta taunted him about the remakes Tokida has done. In the tail end Sakaguchi even apologizes for the comment, and Tokida replies with "no prob, planning other things as well!!" That's where a fan tweet brought up Last Story.
RaunchyBulbasaur's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 19:17
RaunchyBulbasaur
If I wanted to play something unique and original I wouldn't be playing a JRPG.
Rhuno's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 19:25
Rhuno
@Shadowii

I agree 100%. Lost Odyssey was phenomenal; SE seems to have lost their touch.
HOLY TACO's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 19:29
HOLY TACO
What a dick, Sakaguchi should've decked the bastard. Dissing him for making games akin to the series/genre he created. smh
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 19:30
Dv8thwonder
Square peg, round hole.
HOLY TACO's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 19:32
HOLY TACO
Oh, this was taken out of context... No dissing was involved, well, maybe a little but it wasn't malicious.
kohelhunter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 19:35
kohelhunter
Thats funny from what I can tell Final Fantasy has sucked since he left.
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 19:38
Kyle MacGregor
So its a JRPG and has a similar type of name? STOP THE PRESSES!
Oishidesu's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 19:41
Oishidesu
Guys, of course this is not a Final Fantasy rehash! It's called Rasuto Sutori, not Fainaru Fantashi, GOSH!!!
Sæglópur's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 19:42
Sæglópur
I believe him. Lost Odyssey was definitely in the vein of Final Fantasy, but it had more heart, a better story, and better characters than any Final Fantasy can have these days. FFXIII was incredibly mediocre compared to Lost Odyssey. Sakaguchi still has it. Square Enix does not. Even the latest portable Kingdom Hearts games have been pretty much ass.
Mr Zurkon's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 19:44
Mr Zurkon
So rehash of rehash? Neither of these are in the position to whine about their IPs being plagiarized. Final Fantasy have been creatively bankrupt for several games now.
project2501's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 19:51
project2501
He says rehash like its a bad thing. FF13 strayed so far from what I enjoy in JRPGS that I'll gladly take a 'rehash' by the man who started them all. And rather than call it a rehash I will call it an 'homage' to a great game.
Salnax's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 20:13
Salnax
Which Final Fantasy is it a rehash of? Medieval style early/FF9 Final Fantasy? Gameplay oriented FF3/5 Final Fantasy? Steampunkish FF6 Final Fantasy? Cyberpunkish FF7/8 Final Fantasy? Post-apocalyptic FFX Final Fantasy? Magical Kingdom Ivalice Final Fantasy? Action-RPG dungeon crawling Crystal Chronicles Final Fantasy.

No matter how hard they try, people will find some way to compare the games.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 20:25
hpv
So 25 years from now we'll be seeing the release of The Last Story XIII going up against Final Fantasy XXVI?
Operative20's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 20:58
Operative20
Lost Odyssey had to be the only RPG that literally made me extremely close to crying near the ending... and another time early in the game when a certain character comes to an unexpected fate. (L****)

So please, make the Last Story just as Lost Odyssey was, with loveable characters and plot. And SOMETHING PLEASE!!!!! along the likes of the lost odyssey dreams. the music should be just as good if not better since the legend himself is doing the music. ;D
EdgyDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 21:09
EdgyDude
Wait, by this logic shouldn't all modern FPSs stop "rehashing" Return to Castle Wolfstein?.

Personally this game will win no matter what, if you consider the pedigree of the devs behind this if they create a new RPG formula it can only be awesome and if they go for an old school FF style formula they'll automatically grab the half of the market felt alienated by FF13, it's a WIN-WIN in any case.
EdgyDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 21:19
EdgyDude
@hpv: assuming S-E doesn't kill the franchise by then, yeah.

@Shadowiii: THIS!

@EternalDeathSlayer: "Of course, perhaps Square should stop rehashing FF themselves."

AND THIS TOO!

@project2501: You most definitely win it.
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 22:41
Retrofraction
dude it's his series he can do what ever he wants.
Pumpkin King's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 23:11
Pumpkin King
Wow. Final Fantasy, The Last Story, and Lost Odyssey. They all sound exactly the same.
D-503's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2010 23:15
D-503
Can't wait for The Last Story 2...then the irony begins...
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 00:24
Electrium
Sakaguchi is a JRPG genius. To question him is to question a superior being, which is foolish.
SBC Slam's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 00:31
SBC Slam
@D-503

"Increasingly Ineptly-named Video Game Series."
lastdual's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 00:57
lastdual
You know what? I'd love it to be like Final Fantasy, so long as it's more like FFVI and less like FF-everything-thereafter.

With the FF series trying overly hard to reinvent itself, I'm left in desperate need of a traditional, turn-based RPG that actually has decent production values, a story that isn't garbage, and a battle system that isn't tripping over itself to be "new and innovative".

Is that too much to ask?
Rhuno's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 06:18
Rhuno
This was already pointed out by Chibilola, but if you read the source article (and others) it was actually Sakaguchi who initially told SE to stop rehashing the FF games.

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/04/07/father-of-final-fantasy-stop-rehashing-final-fantasy/
Ubersuntzu's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 06:21
Ubersuntzu
I think it's ridiculous the question is being asked. It's a title. Final Fantasy, as a title, tells you absolutely nothing about the content of the game.

We don't know yet whether The Last Story is something that actually relates to the content of the game, but either way, rehashing a title is not the same thing as rehashing a game.

Labels =/= Reality
dogwin's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 11:53
dogwin
Better 'rehash' then 'copy'

But in all seriousness, I'm positive the name "The Last Story" is the ultimate marketing strategy. Instead of calling it "Lost Mana worlds" or something even more unnoticeable, Sakaguchi decided to put himself in the hot chair and 'thesaurus' Final Fantasy.

The chair is VERY hot: When the game debuts, it'll be good or bad, but most importantly the press is gonna eat it alive because of it's name.
Nice one Gooch!
Operative20's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 18:31
Operative20
THIS GAME IS AUTOMATICALLY GOOD BECAUSE THE MAN MADE LOST ODYSSEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I'm being dead serious. I was actually hoping this game would be Lost Odyssey 2 before it was announced, but I'm still excited.
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2010 11:17
Retrofraction
I think they are angery cause they are incapable of making a Final fantacy game on the wii that would be better.

I find it very halarious, and am exspecting the last story to be what Final fantacy has failed to be on a nintendo system for decades.
thedudeman's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2011 13:29
thedudeman
Why in the world would I care at all if it were a 'rehash?' Furthermore it's his artistic creation to begin with (Final Fantasy) why would he ever need to 'justify' continuing a series of *unrelated* fantasy stories whose style-in-games he authored? I say good for him, the new FF's are horrible compared to 1-10 it's why some legacy staff left during 10, and half of the legacy staff left during the middle of 12's production, some going straight to Mistwalker.

It's all really retarded when you think about it, I mean would you walk up to him and say this equivalence "Dude, Sakaguchi, why are you rehashing the Sakaguchi style man?" Better yet it's like resurrecting Stradivarius, have him making violins, then complain that he's just rehashing the violin maker's Andrzej Swietlinski's present Stradivarius copies and variations.
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