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I was just talking about this the other day with a friend of mine, I went a step further and said that, in many cases, the graphics made the whole genre less interesting.
I remember pre rendered backgrounds, how every scene in the game was hand crafted and unique. You were always seeing something new and interesting, as opposed to the monotony of modern JRPGs. I'm not saying it would be feasible to go back to that style of design, but it is nice to hear the godfather of JRPGs himself say that maybe the graphics should be taking a back seat.
I remember pre rendered backgrounds, how every scene in the game was hand crafted and unique. You were always seeing something new and interesting, as opposed to the monotony of modern JRPGs. I'm not saying it would be feasible to go back to that style of design, but it is nice to hear the godfather of JRPGs himself say that maybe the graphics should be taking a back seat.
hahahahahahahahahahah holy shit
maybe the japanese should learn how to make a halfway decent-looking game on modern hardware, just fucking one, before they start whining about "excess"
maybe the japanese should learn how to make a halfway decent-looking game on modern hardware, just fucking one, before they start whining about "excess"
I'd rather have a good playing game than a great, real looking game!
You can make a turd look as clean and polished as you want but it's still a turd if you don't play with it right
You can make a turd look as clean and polished as you want but it's still a turd if you don't play with it right
He's got a point.
Demand for higher visuals means more development costs means more control by publishers means less developer creativity and freedom.
Simple breakdown: Graphics are making games too expensive and heavily contributing to the death of originality.
Still, the Wii burns my eyes. That was too much in the other direction.
@OneRed
REmake still looks better than a wide majority of "modern" games in my opinion. Those backgrounds were beautiful.
Demand for higher visuals means more development costs means more control by publishers means less developer creativity and freedom.
Simple breakdown: Graphics are making games too expensive and heavily contributing to the death of originality.
Still, the Wii burns my eyes. That was too much in the other direction.
@OneRed
REmake still looks better than a wide majority of "modern" games in my opinion. Those backgrounds were beautiful.
My Dreamcast binge, as of late, leads me to want to agree with him. Its almost sad when a game over 10 years old has better FPS swordplay than Skyrim (Maken X)
I think in terms of JRPGs, there's no need to go all out on the graphics, because you need to focus as much as you can on making a great story and a great battle system and offering as much content as possible. FFXIII is the most obvious example - great looking game with shallow everything else. I don't want that in a JRPG, so whatever they have to do to make sure that doesn't happen, I'm all for it.
Sakaguchis last FF was actually FFXI's first arc. You can tell because the characters in the story contrast as brilliantly as prior installments.
It's apparently a feat Kitase can't pull off by himself, because then we got FFXIII.
It's apparently a feat Kitase can't pull off by himself, because then we got FFXIII.
Sounds like another developer trying to break it to gamers that graphics have gone as far as $600 consoles and $60 games are going to take it. Motion controls and 3D seem like two failed attempts at getting people excited for future technology and I am sure that the Wii U controller screen is going to fall just as flat. The next generation of consoles will most likely resemble a mid grade to high grade video card swap. Only the Pixel Junkies who install high res mods in PC games will really appreciate it.
It was a fun ride. The next great video game graphical advancement had always given me something to get excited about while growing up, even in the worst times. I honestly think that time is over, we have gone as far as we can go and we can all look forward to low budget gems like Bastion, Castle Crashers and the like for the lion's share of games, Yearly versions of AAA blockbusters that look no different than the year before and then subscription games.
I honestly think that this has already dawned on everyone in the industry and no one really knows how to introduce this truth to the consumer.
It was a fun ride. The next great video game graphical advancement had always given me something to get excited about while growing up, even in the worst times. I honestly think that time is over, we have gone as far as we can go and we can all look forward to low budget gems like Bastion, Castle Crashers and the like for the lion's share of games, Yearly versions of AAA blockbusters that look no different than the year before and then subscription games.
I honestly think that this has already dawned on everyone in the industry and no one really knows how to introduce this truth to the consumer.
Sakaguchi always makes perfect sense. The big players in the videogame industry are turning games into one big retarded michael bay film: everything explodes and all of a sudden you're mashing your fingers in some lame QTE that ends in...yet another boring explosion.
@Hateful Steve
That was absolutely atrocious trolling, I can't think of any way for it to be more obvious. Just wow ... Seriously there are 3-year-olds out there who can troll better than you.
OT: The man makes perfect sense and says what a lot of people have being saying for quite a time now. Make the graphics fidelity plateau, stop investing in the newest tech, get your gameplay, AI, narrative, sound design, etc to the next level. We've seen the latest and greatest in graphics, can we just move on now?
That was absolutely atrocious trolling, I can't think of any way for it to be more obvious. Just wow ... Seriously there are 3-year-olds out there who can troll better than you.
OT: The man makes perfect sense and says what a lot of people have being saying for quite a time now. Make the graphics fidelity plateau, stop investing in the newest tech, get your gameplay, AI, narrative, sound design, etc to the next level. We've seen the latest and greatest in graphics, can we just move on now?
I spent most of my time this gen playing last gen games or Wii games so I agree with him. Right now I'm playing Jet Set Radio Future, and it's awesome.
@Karavision
I highly doubt the next Playstation and Xbox will resemble a mid grade to high grade video card swap like in a PC. DirectX 11 for one thing has so much potential that is being held back by current consoles. There are other graphical enchantments such as Ray traced lighting (although admittedly that probably won't be for another generation or two) and a lot of developers complain about there not being enough ram on current consoles. How about 1080p native resolution for all games and not just some. That's just the tip of the iceberg of where graphics could go next gen. I personally think as long as developers continue to demand more from consoles the tech will exist. However I do hope as we go into the next generation developers start concentrating more on game play again and less on graphics as stated in the article, and if it was to the point where graphics had to be scaled back to the sort of incrementation you described, I'd be happily pleased and surprised.
I highly doubt the next Playstation and Xbox will resemble a mid grade to high grade video card swap like in a PC. DirectX 11 for one thing has so much potential that is being held back by current consoles. There are other graphical enchantments such as Ray traced lighting (although admittedly that probably won't be for another generation or two) and a lot of developers complain about there not being enough ram on current consoles. How about 1080p native resolution for all games and not just some. That's just the tip of the iceberg of where graphics could go next gen. I personally think as long as developers continue to demand more from consoles the tech will exist. However I do hope as we go into the next generation developers start concentrating more on game play again and less on graphics as stated in the article, and if it was to the point where graphics had to be scaled back to the sort of incrementation you described, I'd be happily pleased and surprised.
It is nice to see some people in the industry who think like I do.
@kara
Nintendo figured this out ages ago, and the mentality behind the wii/ds was their solution. And seeing as how they are the leaders this gen by a vast margin, I think it worked out quite nicely for them. ^_^
@kara
Nintendo figured this out ages ago, and the mentality behind the wii/ds was their solution. And seeing as how they are the leaders this gen by a vast margin, I think it worked out quite nicely for them. ^_^
But...but....some people need to see every drop of sweat pour out of each little miniscule pore and such in sports games.
Without the highest level of detail, how could they see a football player's testicles rupture and truly feel it(either the testicular explosion or the testicle)with any degree of verisimilitude?! That's why Japan is lagging behind the West in terms of sports games.
That and they don't really make Western sports games, like, at all.
That's just an excuse, though.
Would he want video game adaptations of Princess Nine or Eyeshield 21 to settle for graphics that only look as good as the manga/anime which spawned them?!
Without the highest level of detail, how could they see a football player's testicles rupture and truly feel it(either the testicular explosion or the testicle)with any degree of verisimilitude?! That's why Japan is lagging behind the West in terms of sports games.
That and they don't really make Western sports games, like, at all.
That's just an excuse, though.
Would he want video game adaptations of Princess Nine or Eyeshield 21 to settle for graphics that only look as good as the manga/anime which spawned them?!
I've been having more fun playing retro-chic games like Terraria, the Radium games, and Puppygames a lot more than most of the blockbusters because they were made as Sakaguchi said:
Make a solid, fun, and enjoyable experience.
THEN make it look good.
Make a solid, fun, and enjoyable experience.
THEN make it look good.
On one hand he's referring to the development process for Last Story. On the other hand it makes me significantly less hopeful that the adjustments made to the Wii U hardware involved improving upon what's visually capable.
This, fucking this. I'm currently playing Persona 3 and 4 with graphics that can't hold a torch to many current gen games. However, the amount of fun, and the rich experience they offer is overwhelming.
If this was the stance he took on The Last Story, then I'm sure we're in for a wonderful gaming experience.
<3 Sakaguchi
If this was the stance he took on The Last Story, then I'm sure we're in for a wonderful gaming experience.
<3 Sakaguchi
I miss the days developers actually had to try to work within the limits of a system rather than cry for the next big shiny piece of hardware. I think we still could have gotten a lot more out of the PS2, Xbox and Gamecube than we did.
When you play something like MGS3 or RE4, you kind of start to see how poor some "current gen" efforts really are.
Its only games like Portal 2 or Skyrim where I think we're really pushing meeting the potential of this generation and there are already developers all-too-eager to jump onto the next big thing.
Remember how Nintendo kept pushing the SNES til the very end? We ended up with stuff on SNES that was competing with the earliest Saturn and PSX games in terms of visuals, all because they thought out of the box.
When you play something like MGS3 or RE4, you kind of start to see how poor some "current gen" efforts really are.
Its only games like Portal 2 or Skyrim where I think we're really pushing meeting the potential of this generation and there are already developers all-too-eager to jump onto the next big thing.
Remember how Nintendo kept pushing the SNES til the very end? We ended up with stuff on SNES that was competing with the earliest Saturn and PSX games in terms of visuals, all because they thought out of the box.
@The Silent Protagonist
The one area where I think "crying for the next big shiny piece of hardware" is justified is in the RAM and processor limits, those affect *all* elements of a game, not just the shiny bits.
Of course then again if many of the "AAA" devs weren't so desperate to squeeze every last ounce of bloom out of the system, they might have more performance space to improve the rest.
As far as the final paragraph, hell for a recent example look at GTA. San Andreas was a vast, rich world with tons of things to do, whereas in 4 the visuals were put ahead of everything else and we were left with a dull experience after the story's conclusion.
Game developers and *especially* the publishers have their priorities completely screwed up this generation. Whereas it used to be about fun and variety is now all about shiny objects, squeezing every last nickel out of DLC and "if our game doesn't kill Call of Duty it's a waste of space".
The one area where I think "crying for the next big shiny piece of hardware" is justified is in the RAM and processor limits, those affect *all* elements of a game, not just the shiny bits.
Of course then again if many of the "AAA" devs weren't so desperate to squeeze every last ounce of bloom out of the system, they might have more performance space to improve the rest.
As far as the final paragraph, hell for a recent example look at GTA. San Andreas was a vast, rich world with tons of things to do, whereas in 4 the visuals were put ahead of everything else and we were left with a dull experience after the story's conclusion.
Game developers and *especially* the publishers have their priorities completely screwed up this generation. Whereas it used to be about fun and variety is now all about shiny objects, squeezing every last nickel out of DLC and "if our game doesn't kill Call of Duty it's a waste of space".
Yeah higher and higher graphic definition is a pointless advancment at this point. The best looking games i know are Everybody loves katamari and team fortress 2. Perfect clear visuals.
Its a damn shame that that we cant have games like The Last Story and Xenoblade Chronicles on HD consoles. Having played both of em on dolphin I can confirm that the textures and models hold up pretty damn well on HD TV's.
The people that like these types of games dont give a flying fuck about graphics as long as the art design is consistent and appealing.
The people that like these types of games dont give a flying fuck about graphics as long as the art design is consistent and appealing.
On a side note, you know what game's graphics I might like maybe top 3 this gen? Mirrors Edge. It was just so clean, so crisp. They could have gone the gritty route, but they went with that calm cool sterility that you would expect from a setting like the one used.
The aesthetic reminded me a lot of Half Life 2's city sections. Nothing was shiny, everything had that dull finish to it, and it was just so clean. I feel like if devs and publishers alike stopped confusing pleasing graphics for a pleasing aesthetic, there would be many more examples of what Mirrors Edge did.
The aesthetic reminded me a lot of Half Life 2's city sections. Nothing was shiny, everything had that dull finish to it, and it was just so clean. I feel like if devs and publishers alike stopped confusing pleasing graphics for a pleasing aesthetic, there would be many more examples of what Mirrors Edge did.
I definitely agree with Sakaguchi on this one. However, I should also state that I'm a huge Sakaguchi fanboy and that man can do no wrong by me. :P
Honestly, I would love it if Mistwalker started developing rich mobile JRPGS that used 16-bit graphics. The SNES really hit that sweet spot of sufficient graphical power to look timeless pretty while still imposing enough constraints to make developers really pull out some ingenious tricks to convey amazing story with rich gameplay.
Honestly, I would love it if Mistwalker started developing rich mobile JRPGS that used 16-bit graphics. The SNES really hit that sweet spot of sufficient graphical power to look timeless pretty while still imposing enough constraints to make developers really pull out some ingenious tricks to convey amazing story with rich gameplay.
"monotony of modern JRPGs"
If anything I have seen more differentiation this gen than any other from rpgs on all systems
If anything I have seen more differentiation this gen than any other from rpgs on all systems
@MuddBstrd
"Honestly, I would love it if Mistwalker started developing rich mobile JRPGS that used 16-bit graphics."
blue dragon 2,3 ash archaic, which were all fairly successful
"Honestly, I would love it if Mistwalker started developing rich mobile JRPGS that used 16-bit graphics."
blue dragon 2,3 ash archaic, which were all fairly successful
The best graphics have a style all their own that enhances the experience. Rayman Origins, Kirby's Epic Yarn and House of The Dead Overkill certainly don't have the most technically powerful engines powering them, but they look distinct and the graphics compliment and immerse instead of defining the experience.
Graphics aren't the enemy. It's the excessive developers who are the enemy.
Graphics aren't the enemy. It's the excessive developers who are the enemy.
Excessively pretty graphics tricks millions of gamers to buy shitting western FPS games every year without changing hardly anything at all each time.
But your average american fucktard will bitch about JRPG and act like they aren't hypocrites.
Gamers need to learn to play EVERYTHING, and be HAPPY about it. This tunnel vision gaming is awful.
But your average american fucktard will bitch about JRPG and act like they aren't hypocrites.
Gamers need to learn to play EVERYTHING, and be HAPPY about it. This tunnel vision gaming is awful.
While Sakaguchi makes some good points I still have to point out that Blue Dragon was absolutely rubbish in all of the areas - graphics, story and gameplay...
Did you know?...
GameSpot called Xenoblade as their Wii GOTY of 2011 and a serious Overall GOTY 2011 candidate...
GameSpot called Xenoblade as their Wii GOTY of 2011 and a serious Overall GOTY 2011 candidate...
I agree, a couple of years back we had a nice mixture between realistic looking games and games with original, artistic look. Nowadays everything is trying to go into the realistic poligonic realm and we continue to see fewer games that take an original artistic look. And in a way the wii,handleds and downloadable games take those limitations as an advantage to bring new styles to the table. If this trend continues in the future it will be hard to see another okami, muramasa, little kings story, xenoblade, rayman origins etc.
I seriously couldn't agree more. I have a Super PC, PS3, 360 and a lot of the newest games. I often find myself going back to my PS 2, though, to play great RPGs.
I'm just so in love with FF12 right now. Hands down best FF created and it shits on 13, 13-2 in every way.
The gameplay is what makes me go back to the older games. Graphics are nice, but everyone knows gameplay is what sells a game.
I'm just so in love with FF12 right now. Hands down best FF created and it shits on 13, 13-2 in every way.
The gameplay is what makes me go back to the older games. Graphics are nice, but everyone knows gameplay is what sells a game.
I don't agree with this. I like HD graphics, and this gen gave birth to a bunch of games with great graphics and awesome gameplay.
The Witcher II, Uncharted, Batman: Arkham Asylum or City, Dragon Age: Origins, INFAMOUS, Mortal Kombat 2011, Metal Gear Solid 4, Bayonetta, Vanquish, Crysis. There's so many.
I just don't agree with it.
The Witcher II, Uncharted, Batman: Arkham Asylum or City, Dragon Age: Origins, INFAMOUS, Mortal Kombat 2011, Metal Gear Solid 4, Bayonetta, Vanquish, Crysis. There's so many.
I just don't agree with it.
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