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Rumortoid: NGP's RAM being cut to reduce price photo

We don't know the exact price of Sony's upcoming portable, the NGP, but it looks like something that will be expensive. It's a Sony device, after all. And like many other Sony gaming devices, it's probably expensive to make. The latest rumor says that Sony may be tweaking the NGP to make it a bit less expensive for them to make. Who knows if that will be reflected in the cost.

French website 01net has a solid rep for getting Sony news out early, says GamesIndustry. This source claims that the version of the NGP without 3G capabilities will only feature 256MB instead of 512MB RAM. The amount of VRAM graphics memory is reported to still be at 128MB. The same source says that the non-3G unit will not use flash memory, and will rely on a Memory Stick. They also report that the size of the system's operating system has been reduced. 

While we're throwing out unconfirmed items, here's what this source had for the price: $249. We'll see if this source is right next month at E3. I don't care how much RAM it has -- I just want one.








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Mist17's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:24
Mist17
I hope this stays a Rumor
RoMeRtHeGaMe's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:24
RoMeRtHeGaMe
Do want! Just hope it doesn't cost me as much as the PS4 apparently after reading the previous story.
terranwolf's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:27
terranwolf
I want my RAM ;_;
Live by the Sword's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:28
Live by the Sword
I guess the 3DS will reign portable gaming champ this generation.
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:31
B-Radicate
Personally, I think they should keep the RAM the same and if they want to cut costs, remove the storage. Flash memory is cheap enough nowadays as is.

Keeping the price at $249 will be a big selling point when going up against the 3DS. They'd be stupid to price anywhere above that.
sofik88's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:34
sofik88
who cares that GPU will still have 128 RAM when they reduced the amount of RAM for CPU by what 1/2 atleast? if they're cutting RAM and everything they can i doubt it's because they want to sell it for 250$ when they know Nintendo is selling their system for that much. it's probably 350-400$ right now(that screen alone is probably 100-150$).
GoodlyMike's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:34
GoodlyMike
@Live by the Sword
Nintendo has always come out on top with their portable systems. I had a PSP for almost 6 months and I was impressed by it, but it didn't have the same charm that the Nintendo DS had.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:35
Sexualchocolate
Don't care. Just want.

The kind of games you find on Sony consoles = AUTOSALE
phoebus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:35
phoebus
As long as people make loads of games for it...
Enzi's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:36
Enzi
Not good. Not good at all. Not having 3g or any other optional shit is okay, but making cuts in actual hardware? I don't believe this rumor is true. It would be too stupid, even for Sony.

I mean, Game A comes out and it's only at 30fps when you have the 3g version of NGP. If they do this, this thing will be dead before it's born.

@RoMeRtHeGaMe: What a hypnotic avatar.
Apokalipz's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:38
Apokalipz
@livebythesword
If the NGP is priced the same as 3DS, then Ninty is in trouble. The NGP will be significantly more powerful than 3DS. It'll be looked at as. A better value.
Icedus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:39
Icedus
Eh, okay. If that rumor about the price is right, I'm in.
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:40
Stealth
the source was actually 250- 300

I think 300
sofik88's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:40
sofik88
if they do this and pull dick move like Apple with newer versions of NGP having better hardware then it will result in future games being either unplayable on previous versions or seriously choppy.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:40
KingSigy
$250 for a gimped version is still quite a bit. Then again, the 3DS is $250.
wutang4ever's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:41
wutang4ever
they should've just made a system thats not much stronger than the psp that has 2 analog sticks. No need for other stuff. A portable device with 2 analog sticks is win win to me!
Strandli's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:41
Strandli
I call BS.
It would be weird for them to cut the memory only on one SKU, that would cause a bigger problem than the price I think :p
Temple's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:43
Temple
This rumor is beyond stupid, why would the WiFI and 3G versions have different amounts of RAM.

From a development standpoint it means that they would have to develop two versions of NGP games. And the price difference between 256MB and 512MB of RAM is only around $2-3.

http://www.dramexchange.com/

Its amazing how rumors like this spread throughout the internet, especially being it comes from a French site with a history of being wrong.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:44
Sexualchocolate
Yeah good point.

2 x Analogue sticks = AUTOSALE too.


I'm sooooo buying the shit out of this thing.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:44
The Silent Protagonist
The more I hear about these differing models, the leas I like about the differences.

First off, 3G is on its way out, so a 3G model is sort of foolish. A 4G model makes more sense. Secondly, why reduce the RAM for the version that isn't 3G?

Third, the thing needs to accept SANDISK cards, not Sony's proprietary Pro Duo format, which exists only for the sake of being expensive.

Finally, internal memory should be standard for either version of NGP. I can see getting by on what little interal memory 3DS has given the games will be pretty small. That and it accepts the market standard in flash memory, so I'll never be pressed for space with a larger card should I choose to get one.

As it stands even a 8GB card for PSP is pretty fucking pitiful since the games are so huge in terms of space. I'd expect at least 16GB internal for either model with SD card support for even more on the downloadable games.

But this is Sony we're talking about, 2 8MB memory cards for PS2 cost more than a 4GB SD card right now.
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:44
Stealth
The rumor said nothing about 250. It said 250-300. So at least more than 250

"If the NGP is priced the same as 3DS, then Ninty is in trouble."

hardly. Only once in the history of gaming has the higher priced system outsold its competitor.

So it wont matter what the price is.
El Conrado's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:44
El Conrado
Apokalipz
"If the NGP is priced the same as 3DS, then Ninty is in trouble."

If the NGP is priced the same ad a 3DS, Nintendo will cut it's price by at least $50 before the NGP even reaches the market.

The only reason the 3DS costs $250 is because Nintendo thought they would get away with it, and they openly admited it. They could drop the price for about $75 and would probably still see a profit on the hardware.
Fugly Duckling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:44
Fugly Duckling
Tech only gets you so far without games. Just ask the 3DS about that. I'll pick one up eventually, but I'm hesitant to buy day one, as Sony can't seem to support 2 systems at once.
CBunn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:45
CBunn
Damn, I just commented about that on the last post. Ram is so cheap, cut off other things.
But hey, they are Sony, they know what they are doing, right?

right?

Oh...
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:46
Stealth
"Tech only gets you so far without games. Just ask the 3DS about that. "


What you mean a system that hasnt even been out 5 months doesnt have 1000 game at retail yet?

What ever will they do?


Get real.
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:48
fetusmilk
remove the stupid touch pad on the back and save tons. its a gimmick like 3d and wont be worth it anyway.
3g? really? whos gonna provide the 3g service? and will that cost extra per month etc?

and if games are coming on SD cards or what ever. why have a internal HDD? i guess they need it for downloadable games. that would make sense.
Fugly Duckling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:55
Fugly Duckling
@Stealth

Well, it is a DS System, and I can't buy Imagine Ponyz for it yet...
Stigmeyer's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:57
Stigmeyer
I don't give a shit about the inner workings of the thing. I just want kick-ass games and that is what I presume I will be getting here. Of course, I made that mistake with the 3DS and have yet to purchase one, so let's see what the launch lineup looks like, shall we?
PEICanada7's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 09:57
PEICanada7
"If the NGP is priced the same as 3DS, then Ninty is in trouble. The NGP will be significantly more powerful than 3DS. It'll be looked at as. A better value."

Yeah because Nintendo can't just cut the price of the 3DS, right after the NGP comes out. There is no way the 3G model will be $250, so expect that version to be at least $300, or $350. This isn't Nintendo's first rodeo, they know what they're doing!
KwikPwn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 10:00
KwikPwn
Remove the touchpad on the back and swap out the OLED screen. Too much unneeded tech in this thing. Don't detract from the games because you saddled it with expensive tech.
Sæglópur's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 10:05
Sæglópur
Bad news. If true, NGP games won't look anything like PS3 games.
ManWithNoName's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 10:06
ManWithNoName
I doubt Sony will remove the RAM with the NGP launch date so close and games already in final stages of development, unless the ammount of RAM being 256mb was the plan since the beggining.

No matter what, Sony is in a impossible situation. If the NGP features too much tech it will be overpriced and if they cut tech to keep the costs down it will be not powerful enough. Only if Sony starts giving the thing for free everyone will be happy. To me? 250 for the wifi model is more than reasonable.
N-effect-human's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 10:09
N-effect-human
I guess I'll have a 3G device this christmas. Yay.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 10:19
mix
$@50-300 is a sale to this guy, so long as it runs smoothly.
Stinky's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 10:26
Stinky
Sony may as well walk away, they are broken.
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 10:36
LittleBigD
$250 would be sweet. I hope they're right. I'm due for a big gaming bender. At that price it'll fall right into my cart.
zod000's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 10:38
zod000
@The Silent Protagonist SD card != Sandisk. Sandisk is a company that makes flash memory (they even makes MS Pro Duo cards, I have one).
drewski's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 10:39
drewski
I don't know, considering RAM is pretty cheap, surely dropping the wanky things like reverse touch-screen and motion-sensing makes a lot more sense than hacking away at its core power. Especially since power was being used as its core selling point.

If Ninty is finally showing weakness in the handheld market, this may be finally be the time for Sony's previous tech-porn business model to work. Considering the low-fi cheaper gaming experiences with the 3DS and iOS systems, Sony may be lowering itself into even more competitive waters if it's planning to go for a lower-specced, lower-priced handheld.

Only time will tell...
drewski's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 10:45
drewski
Lack of edit button: by motion sensing, I was referring to the Six Axis-style motion control. No idea why I wrote motion sensing. Friday euphoria, I guess.
ricochetguro's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 10:56
ricochetguro
1st this is a rumor.

2nd, Sony never officially announced how much ram was in the system. I'm pretty sure they hinted that it was 256 mb but they might add more(at gdc) Well, their(possibly) not.

3rd, thats as much ram as the PS3 has. The video ram is a bit less but its powering a much smaller and less powerful system.

4th, systems are always cut before release. If they really did cut a bit, thats business as usual Read some Digital Foundry articles on the orignal 360 unit for example.
Gaspacho_One's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 11:01
Gaspacho_One
Dammit no!
brainderailment's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 11:02
brainderailment
Changing ram in the non 3g units only makes no sense. The games must play on all units, so they cant have disparity. Also, ram is one of the cheapest things in the device, why skimp on that? Smells like bulldicks.
Brettzies's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 11:06
Brettzies
"No one will ever need more then 640kb!" ~ famous last words.
Sid Of Bee's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 11:12
Sid Of Bee
256MB is still a decent amount of RAM for a dedicated handheld gaming system that does't have a lot of overhead with a heavy OS and multitasking. Still, I hate that manufacturers constantly sacrifice RAM before other features... RAM almost always ends up as the bottleneck for any gaming system. I would rather a smaller screen (slightly), no rear touchpad, or less built in storage as opposed to sacrificing RAM.
El Conrado's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 11:15
El Conrado
@Brettzies
""No one will ever need more then 640kb!" ~ famous last words"

Bill Gates is dead?
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 11:40
Retrofraction
its really not that big of a deal, now that would be differnet if they took the vram down to 64mb
TwinDad's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 11:40
TwinDad
The idea behind a console is a standard configuration. It makes no sense to have two different RAM configurations in a console. I can see having a model with no internal flash to save money, but not 2 different system configurations, developers would go crazy.
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 11:45
Jon B
Cutting the RAM for the NGP to 256MB is utterly foolish given how well Sony consoles handle things that aren't games. The amount of times my PSP has given me an "OUT OF MEMORY" error while using the browser I can't count on one hand, and that's compared to my 3 year old PHONE that doesn't have any issue with it.

And so help me god if they don't have MKV support...
Shino's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 11:55
Shino
Why are people bitching about this...

256M system RAM is what the PS3 has now!
128M video RAM is 1/2 of what the PS3 has... but you're not trying to push 720p (1280×720) either... you're trying to push 960x544... only 57% of the pixels of the PS3. Sure there's more to it than just pushing pixels, but my point is that the graphics can still look as good as PS3 with less power b/c the screen is smaller and a lower rez.

I don't see the issue.
It should be able to keep up.
Will it be the power of the PS3... probably not... but I would think it would be as close to the PS3 as the PSP was to the PS2... if not closer.

If they can get the price to $250, then I'm happy with the changes.
It won't really effect much if you're looking for PS3 level power.
FunkzillaBOT's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2011 12:03
FunkzillaBOT
Um... the internal RAM is very important if you want the dam thing to run well. Remove the flash memory -- but make sure the unit takes an SD card and NOTHING ELSE. $250 isn't too bad.
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