Like spoilers? Speculation? Hacking? Super Smash Bros. Brawl? If so, this story may be for you.
Deep inside the humongous, informative, yet never completely reliable Brawl spoilers page on NeoGaf, there is a link to a page claiming to be the complete list of files on the Brawl game DVD. Those willing to attempt to decipher the wall of text this list presents will find more potential spoilers than even those in Reaprar's world famous Brawl spoilers C-blog.
For the record, I've tried all day to authenticate the list and the super weird site it was found on. The list itself was taken down from the host's site hours ago and replaced with yucky-ness, but luckily I saved myself a copy and included it in the gallery of this post. It's a huge list, and had to be split up into seven parts. Even then it turns out the list is not compete. It ends with the words "movi", not the way these sorts of ISO data dumps lists usually end. Anything, the inclusion of more characters, moves, movies, information on anything could follow word "movi" in the text dump. We may never know.
The super weird site's owner, the person likely responsible for the original data dump and the corresponding list, is thus far unreachable for comment. So stick all this info firmly in your "rumors" file for now.
My findings after the jump.
[Via Brawl spoilers page at NeoGaf]
There is a lot to be deciphered from this list of file names, but I'm just going to stick with what I found most interesting; the potential for more playable characters.
Hope and potential can be found from the list's fighter\ef directories. There is such a directory for each of the thus far confirmed characters, plus a few extras. Those extras include Dr Mario, Dixie, MewTwo, Pra_Mai(?), Roy, Toon Sheik, Toon Zelda, Zako Ball, Zako Boy, Zako Child, and Zako Girl. Sorry folks, no Mega Man.
All these files chalk in at a size of 128 each. It doesn't specify 128MB or GB, so we'll just have to guess that it's 128 somethings. More importantly, 128 somethings is much smaller than most other character's fighters\ef files. For example, Peach's fighter\ef file comes in at "size:113280". The smaller file size for the fighter\ef directories designated to so far unseen characters implies that these directories may represent unfinished or otherwise unusable data.
However, there are four characters confirmed to be playable in Brawl that have these small 128 sized fighter\ef directories. Those characters are GKoopa (presumably Giga Bowser), Warioman, Nana (one half of the Ice Climbers team), and Mr Game and Watch. So what can we infer from that? Well, I take it to mean that fighter\ef files 128 somethings in size are for alternate polygon sets for other potentially playable characters.
The Zako series of files likely represent the Fighting Alloy team, are of whom are known to solely use other character's animations. Nana uses identical animations as her Ice Climbing partner Popo. As for Warioman and Giga Bowser, they are the alternate polygon sets for the final smashes of Wario and Bowser, and have no unique animations of their own. And since Game and Watch technically has no animations, just a series of texture maps cycled in specific orders to give the illusion of animation, it can safely be deducted that fighter\ef files must only be for character models and textures, and not for animations in any way.
So what more can we assume from all this? I don't know about you, but I'm taking this info to mean that maybe, just maybe, Dr. Mario, Dixie Kong, MewTwo, Roy, Toon Sheik, and Toon Zelda are potentially unlockable alternate character models for other currently confirmed characters in Brawl. I'm sure hoards of Wii hackers are already on the case, trying to confirm or deny this rumor. I for one was a little disappointed that the above characters from Melee were cut from Brawl, and would be delighted see them made available for the game via WiiConenct 24, tournaments, or other methods.
But more so, I'd like to think that all of Brawl's secrets couldn't be unlocked mere days after it's release in Japan. That would just be too anti-climactic for a game that's had it's secrets talked about for five years running.
Don't think me naive. I've been around. I am aware that this list could be fake, and even if it's not, that nearly every game has unusable data still on the disk. This could all be much ado about nothing. That doesn't mean I can't hope that the Brawl equivalent to GTA: San Andreas' Hot Coffee mod is a MewTwo, Dixie Kong, Toon Sheik and Dr Mario battle-orgy of epic proportions.
Anyone else out there want to get on board my hope train?
Dang. I always know that the hype train is going full speed when someone gets a hold of the game and checks all the files on the disc.
w00t!! MewTwo ROCKS!!
OMG! Tell me this is real:
\effect\fighter\ef_toonlink.pac, size:102048 off:2ADA6600
\effect\fighter\ef_toon_sheik.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF4A0
\effect\fighter\ef_toon_zelda.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF520
Toon Sheik and Zelda? Where's Ganon!
Roy is back too?
\effect\fighter\ef_roy.pac, size:128 off:2AD02780
And what's that?
\effect\fighter\ef_zakoball.pac, size:128 off:2AE03900
\effect\fighter\ef_zakoboy.pac, size:128 off:2AE03980
\effect\fighter\ef_zakochild.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A00
\effect\fighter\ef_zakogirl.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A80
Please tell me they didn't WASTE precious hidden character space on two Wind Waker versions of Zelda...
Hmm. My opinion of this is firmly centered on "fake", but who knows?
Yeah, looks like fake, farther in the file list, you can see there's no folders for characters such as Mewtwo, Roy, ToonZelda, but one for the Zako thing...
I guess there was few pieces of the old code of melee that wasn't deleted from Brawl, or someone tried to create some hype with a few extra filenames...
Anyway, I don't see where they could fit more extra characters into that tiny selection screen :P
That's pretty interesting there. Quite nice.
Theres a program out there that will dump Wii DVDs, so this is entirely plausible, if it is true its always neat to take a look at the extra code that developers forget to fully take out that doesn't make the final cut.
It's probably unlikely but maybe this is how Nintendo plans to do DLC. The charterers are already in the game but you have to pay to be able to access them, sort of like that one Katamari game.
Super Smash Matlockery!
\effect\assist\ef_shadow.pac, size:67840 off:2A1E1020
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
All I can say is this had better be fake. If they wasted time to put Toon Zelda, Toon Sheik, Dixie, and Dr. Mario into the game when they could have given Ganondorf an original moveset and made Ridley playable, I'm bombing Sakurai and The Studio's headquarters.
\effect\assist\ef_shadow.pac, size:67840 off:2A1E1020
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Elgemusio- Read my extended post for explinations of the Zako files.
And if by "farther in the file list" you mean the files for character's final smashes and other bits, I'm guessing that there is just one file for those sorts of things per character, not per polygon set.
For instance, there is not final\ef file for Sheik, just one for Zelda, as they have the same final smash.
This means that is the alt character model rumor is true, that Dr Mario would have Mario's final smash, MewTwo would have Lucario's, ect.
As for the character\fit files even further down, I have no idea about those. Sound effects maybe?
Again, there is no confirmation of any of this yet, so we'll jsut have to wait and see.
\fighter\Kyrstal\FitKrystal.pac, size:471840 off:C07B72F8
\fighter\Krystal\FitKrystal00.pac, size:1329088 off:C082A618
\fighter\Krystal\FitKrystal00.pcs, size:723473 off:C096EDD8
Wow, the prospect of Shadow being in this game was so bad, it posted itself again.
TINGLE! ...is an assist trophy
I bet they're all assist trophies.
Is there any particular reason why this blog and others (Joystiq, Kotaku etc) are so protective of this game when you regularly post game-spoiling information about other titles?
Well, whatever units 128 has, it certainly isn’t gigabytes — a dual-layer DVD can only hold 8.5 GB of data. My guess is that it’s in kilobytes — so the confirmed characters that have 113280 as their size, if we assume that the units are kilobytes, would each be 110.625 MB in size. That would leave the other as-yet-unconfirmed characters to have sizes of 128 KB, which really isn’t much unless they’re all clones of other characters, but even that doesn’t seem possible.
The assumption that each character is 110 MB is likely the best one, since 35 × 110 MB = 3.87 GB, which is nearly half of a full DVD-9. So if we go down three orders of magnitude and assume that the size is quoted in bytes, then each character would instead have a 110.625-kilobyte file, and the others would weigh in at a measly 128 bytes (1/8 of a kilobyte) each. I can’t see that being the case, because then the 35 confirmed playable characters would only amount to 3.87 MB total, and that’s nothing on a DVD-ROM. Who knows, though?
Newly discovered!
Reggie Fils-Aime an unlockable character in Brawl!
@Orionsaint: Ha, that’s great! But he should be about as big as DK.
wow i never really got the whole smash bros thing. it just seemed like a corny simple punch people of screen game with loads of nintendo characters.. nothing more. i cant believe the amount of boners being sprung for this news..lol
I think that this is like those games on the Xbox 360 where you download content that is in small MB or Kilobites and is already on the disk hidden somewhere, but all it does is unlock it. Probably the characters are already there hidden, but all you need to do is download some content to unlock them. I think this is going to be the first game to have downloadable content on the Nintendo Wii. But only time can tell.
Man that would be neat to have alt costumes as Toon zelda and toon sheik. But I gotta wonder if this is the case, then why take a spot for Toon link, just make him an alt costume. Anyone know if Toon Link is a clone of Link??
Rumors are an easy way to excite people on the internet: CONFIRMED!
\effect\assist\master_chief.pac, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
OMG!!!
Confirmed, SPOILERS!!!!!
Interesting
\effect\fighter\ef_cracked_out_amy_winehouse.pac, size:128 off:2AB67459
\effect\fighter\ef_meta_shigeru.pac, size:128 off:2BC67467
\effect\fighter\ef_ham_sandwich.pac, size:128 off:2CD67463
\effect\fighter\ef_cdi_link_excuuuuuse_me_princess.pac, size:128 off:2DE67441
\effect\fighter\ef_ham_sandwich.pac, size:128 off:2EF67499
This game is starting to look... weird.
Also, the original dsbx-file.txt is offline now.
OH SHI!
Wtfno, there can't be more spoilers than my blog, I WILL EXPAND IT, WE CAN REBUILD IT, MAKER IT STRONGER, HARDER AND FASTER, GOD DAMN IT.
\effect\fighter\ef_nights.pac, size:128 off:2AD02780
Please Dr. Mario be playable, kthxbye.
That link redirected me to 2girls1cup.
Thanks.
What? For real?
I heard it went down since I posted this.
Luckily, I'm ready to upload it to my own site provided it doesn't get me in any legal trouble.
@Novakaine: I'm with you.
Why does the file list the American title and not the Japanese title?
Pra Mai is purasuru and mainan. Those are the jap names for Plusle and Minun.
also, for Sour Grapes, there's no problem with filling up the disk. It's a dual layer DVD, there's more than enough room. The problem is development time. These 128kb trash files of characters and skins and assist trophies they might put in later and characters that they scrapped early and didn't bother taking out didn't stop your super special favorite character from getting in. Practicalness did.
Plusle and Minion? I wonder if they would be alt skins for Pikachu?
Notice that there is no Pichu fighter\ef file. He was likely never even vaguely considered for Brawl.
If this is true, it would be amazing. I mean, expect tons of bitching about more clones, but I would certainly like the options. That said, I'm not getting my hopes up. Besides, all I really wanted was Dr. Mario in there.
At this point, I'm as sure that this list is legit as am sure of anything. Having it taken down so quickly is all the proof I need.
The real question is if those 128 files are just trash they didn't bother to take out of if they usable game data.
Still working on getting the list back up.
@Jonathan Holmes: The real question is if those 128 files are just trash they didn't bother to take out of if they usable game data.
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking as well. A lot of times, developers just leave unused code/files on the disc instead of going to the trouble of removing it, and that might be what we’re seeing here.
Maxvest
effect\fighter\ef_cdi_link_excuuuuuse_me_princess.pac, size:128 off:2DE67441
CD-i Link and "excuuuuuse me princess" Link from the Saturday cartoon are two different things.
You want something like,
effect\fighter\ef_cdi_link_bomb_some_dodongos.pac, size:128 off:2DE67441
HAY GUYZ MSTER CHEEF IN SOOPER SMASHH BROZE!!!!11SIHFT
If there was a Toon Zelda, I would think she would turn into Tetra, not Toon Sheik.
Unlock a Alternate Version of Lucario that is Mewtwo?
Ill have to tell my friend
Man, a toon Zelda with a Tetra transformation would have been awesome.
Curse you, Johnathan-Holmes, and your crafty workaround that is sure to not get you in any danger of hacking.
By all means, The-Excel, post it on your site as well.
You deserve the attention.
http://whatistheexcel.com/upload/D.txt
Enjoy it while you can because for my safety it's going down within 48 hours.
This game was built off of Melee.
Actually, those characters never made it into the game. There only 35. There's an event(#21) where you fight each character. There' only 35. Look it up on YouTube.
Excel format. It's so damn literal!
As the late Mitch-Hedberg would say.
Then again I hope no one's forgotten that there's always the hope for North American-exclusive content to live for.
So I took a glance through there, intresting to see that they have sega characters as assist trophys as well as metal gear characters.
Just so you guys know, this is a real dump of the files list. Crediar is a fairly well-known guy within the Wii hacking/development community and the reason that the list was cut off at the end was because the current Wii-disc-dumping tools don't yet support dual-layer DVDs. This is why there are no SSBB Isos or whatever up on the various warez sites.
Personally, I think they're probably unlockable alternate costumes -- like the 'original wario' alt costume of Wario.
Then again, maybe it's wishful thinking. I hope it's not trash data, though, 'cause that would be bad sucky.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
P.S. As an aside, the sound track of brawl consists of 314 tracks! It's over a gigabyte! Pretty insane.
first off, the DVD is only 7.5 GB, so 128 probably refers to kilobytes. Game and watch should not take too much space since he is just a bunch of images, requiring no textures or 3d modeling which takes up the most space. If anything, the extra "hidden" characters might be model change clones, but I'm leaning towards cut characters. Most likely? This is a hoax of some kind. I'm thinking there are a few more hidden characters since all the unlockables seem to have been unlocked in SSE, and if that's the case, well, lame sauce. And one more thing, stop asking for ridley as a playable character. Yes ridley is awesome, but he makes no sense as a playable character. He's way too big, seriously, how does playing as him make any sense at all.
@ Timmet: Game and Watch is actually just the cross-section of a 3d model. Or - at least - he was in Melee. It's interesting to see the various bits of his geometry when you give him a different character's moveset with an Action Replay. He goes through all the unrestrained motion that the other characters would, and so you get really strange effects where parts of his body change size and shape and stuff.
As for Ridley: Look at Charizard. He's a large dragon, too. They handled him alright. I'm sure that The Brawl team would have no trouble scaling him down to size, anyway. They scaled kirby up -- he's meant to be 8 inches tall.
Anyway, it's all useless, because he's not in Brawl outside of a Boss character.
Whats with two seperate mentions of Koopa? (One being GKoopa or something rather)
Giga Bowser and Bowser.
Geez, is my writing that avoidable?
Didn't they come out and say on the Dojo that Diddy kong's alt-costume is Dixie Kong?
He was lovingly referred to as "Tranny kong" for a while. Maybe some alt-costume characters were scrapped in dev but left on the disk? That'd be pretty cool.
and if they're full characters thats even better. However there's one thing I'm pretty sure of, and that the file list is probably legit. That doesn't mean much for sure, however.
Wow, so I was proven wrong on my previous call. However, what the files are named and what they actually are can be two completely different things, as some people have already pointed out. Alt. skins would be a kickass addition, but I think we would've heard about that option before now if it was actually included. >.>
So it's moved up from "fake" to "irrelevant".
Livin' on a prayer for mewtwo still, that challenges screen w/ his tile left me wondering....
if lucario fights similar to mewtwo then i guess he could be an alt costume idk myself though....
one thing that sorta made me sad if that it appears that ganondorf is still a clone and all the star fox characters control the same meaning not just one clone of fox but 2.....
and they all get the same final smash making them even less unique...at least cap'n falc'n and ganondorf get different ones....
I'll go on this last note...
"Don't stop belivin', hold on to that feeling"
There is no alt mewtwo costume for Lucario. Mewtwo is not playable. Lucario is better anyway. There is a pink costume for Diddy.
My favorite is this string...
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
\landmaster\landmaster\land_master.lms, size:67840 off:2C1E1040
that was relevant to my intrest, thank you.
^^^ when good typing goes bad ^^^
ah well... kinda figured bout the costumes.
still maD bout the star fox clones and there landmasters w. slightly different colors wasting space...no offense to star fox, but it deserves at least an alternate play style, krystal or slippy for sum variety,
i'm going on the limb here assuming will plays the same since he looks like fox and falco in many ways including final smash. If I'm wrong, then shoop da whoop on me.
megaman woulda been nice to find on there, giving the 3rd party another nod, but e/e.. clones or not new characters are kinda cool....
metroid deserves some more love than it gets. a metroid assist trophy woulda been kickass :P
Antwhan...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CuKH8mfM9Yc
^Metroid assist trophy, you're welcome. :D
ShadeWithin, U've made me o so happy.
And even more anxious for brawl. Drill dozer is also a surprise.
and this morning's dojo was about assist trophies http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist15.html
what are the odds? lol
Newly discovered!
Reggie Fils-Aime an unlockable character in Brawl!
Even tho that was a joke would I not be surprised to see that? I mean they put pokemon trainer in...why not THE REG!!!
Cool.