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I am still trying to convince myself to get a Wii. :/
I knew way too many individuals who purchased a Wii and have not touched it in years, I keep hoping to get one off of one of them to play Last Story and Rhythm Heaven.
Back to the matter at hand, it really does not *matter* what the graphics will be like. However, one of the issues with the Wii was a lack of GOOD third party games. The Wii U is seeking to change that, but it has to convince the industry to take a chance on releasing a title for the system. If it does not have specs that are in the ballpark of next-gen consoles, then it may have a hard time picking up multi-plats. Now, I truly do NOT care about graphics, and I doubt this rumor is true, but Nintendo definitely needs to put a lot of thought into what it will take to capture more third party developers.
I knew way too many individuals who purchased a Wii and have not touched it in years, I keep hoping to get one off of one of them to play Last Story and Rhythm Heaven.
Back to the matter at hand, it really does not *matter* what the graphics will be like. However, one of the issues with the Wii was a lack of GOOD third party games. The Wii U is seeking to change that, but it has to convince the industry to take a chance on releasing a title for the system. If it does not have specs that are in the ballpark of next-gen consoles, then it may have a hard time picking up multi-plats. Now, I truly do NOT care about graphics, and I doubt this rumor is true, but Nintendo definitely needs to put a lot of thought into what it will take to capture more third party developers.
I love that we can clearly label a post as being a rumor, and that gets interpreted as reporting it as anything other than a rumor.
It would be one thing to post a rumor and present it as breaking news or a fact. I don't see anything wrong with passing on a rumor as long as it's clearly stated that it is a rumor.
It would be one thing to post a rumor and present it as breaking news or a fact. I don't see anything wrong with passing on a rumor as long as it's clearly stated that it is a rumor.
Everytime i hear a dev talking about a Nintendo console "not being powerful enough" my mind translates it to "I can't cover my game's design shortcomings with cool graphics".
At least there's no talk about having to be online all the time or it wont take used games, so not the worse rumor I've heard lately.
I 100% believe this rumor because cell phones produce better images on HDTV's than the Wii does. Nintendo has never, ever been about raw graphics or processing power and I do not see them changing this method.
Nintendo systems have always been a little weird and hard to gauge "power" wise... Nintendo likes taking cheap parts and combining them with weird tech to make them more capable than what hard specs alone would imply.
The 3ds, for instance, ha built in shader and fog tech. Adding relatively high tech fog lighting or shadow effects takes little horsepower and is easier to develop for.
Still, this rumor has very few things going for it in regards to its credibility.
The 3ds, for instance, ha built in shader and fog tech. Adding relatively high tech fog lighting or shadow effects takes little horsepower and is easier to develop for.
Still, this rumor has very few things going for it in regards to its credibility.
I was plannning to get a Wii U, But if these rumors are true, I rather wait and get a Xbox 720 or PS4. I don't want to buy a Wii U and not be able to play games from PS4 and xbox 720. Nintendo can rely on just first party any more,
The real question of whether the Wii will be successful isn't "How good the graphics are." but more along the lines of "Will the Wii maintain the software trajectory of the NES/SNES?" and not the software trajectory of the N64/GC. If the answer is to maintain the software trajectory of the N64/GC (which is to really emulate Sony and Microsoft in their software offerings), then the Wii U will see a N64/GC performance, much like the 3DS is right now (which cost Nintendo close to a billion dollars because of their gross overestimation of how much people gave a shit about N64/GC games in 3D and 3D output in general).
More than graphics, Nintendo needs to have a solid online store that allows people to buy and play their downloaded games on future Nintendo hardware (such as being able to play an NES game on both the 3DS and Wii U and any future hardware that comes out). Nintendo needs to put greater emphasis on internet play (doesn't just have to be multiplayer, can be other areas). And there needs to be less emphasis of making people use expensive hardware (in this case the Wii U controller which will probably be more expensive than the Wiimote) and shoving that hardware into games where it isn't needed or wanted.
The success of Nintendo's handhelds over the years can be attributed to them maintaining the NES/SNES software trajectory, while the N64/GC mostly strayed from it (the games most people still reflect fondly on from those two consoles tends to be games that adhere to arcade values). The DS was originally going to be a portable N64 with N64 likes games. When the PSP started outselling it Nintendo rebranded it as a portable SNES with SNES-like games. The system takes off (along with stuff like Brain Age and Nintendogs) and doesn't stop selling. The 3DS' software is all N64/GC, and 3D output, which nobody values. The 3DS games are so weak that Amazon is having a "Buy two get one free." sale for 3DS games. And unlike the DS where the game sparked mainstream appeal, the 3DS is pretty much ignored. The only way to reverse this is to strip out the 3D and focus on more NES/SNES type software.
Most people can't guess or understand Nintendo's success or failure because most people don't really understand gaming. But if we examine the market data, and Nintendo in general, there is definitely a pattern of success and failure that begins to emerge, and we now have enough data to say that "If Nintendo does X, Y will result."
Of course we'll just have to wait until E3 to learn if Nintendo has learned from their mistakes with the N64/GC/3DS
More than graphics, Nintendo needs to have a solid online store that allows people to buy and play their downloaded games on future Nintendo hardware (such as being able to play an NES game on both the 3DS and Wii U and any future hardware that comes out). Nintendo needs to put greater emphasis on internet play (doesn't just have to be multiplayer, can be other areas). And there needs to be less emphasis of making people use expensive hardware (in this case the Wii U controller which will probably be more expensive than the Wiimote) and shoving that hardware into games where it isn't needed or wanted.
The success of Nintendo's handhelds over the years can be attributed to them maintaining the NES/SNES software trajectory, while the N64/GC mostly strayed from it (the games most people still reflect fondly on from those two consoles tends to be games that adhere to arcade values). The DS was originally going to be a portable N64 with N64 likes games. When the PSP started outselling it Nintendo rebranded it as a portable SNES with SNES-like games. The system takes off (along with stuff like Brain Age and Nintendogs) and doesn't stop selling. The 3DS' software is all N64/GC, and 3D output, which nobody values. The 3DS games are so weak that Amazon is having a "Buy two get one free." sale for 3DS games. And unlike the DS where the game sparked mainstream appeal, the 3DS is pretty much ignored. The only way to reverse this is to strip out the 3D and focus on more NES/SNES type software.
Most people can't guess or understand Nintendo's success or failure because most people don't really understand gaming. But if we examine the market data, and Nintendo in general, there is definitely a pattern of success and failure that begins to emerge, and we now have enough data to say that "If Nintendo does X, Y will result."
Of course we'll just have to wait until E3 to learn if Nintendo has learned from their mistakes with the N64/GC/3DS
Damn, more rumors? Seems like every rumor that's been spoken of is just more nonsense about how next gen consoles aren't capable of living up to consumer standards. Almost as if the negatives are out weighting the positives at this point. Well, like someone said earlier, at least Nintendo isn't so much trying to affecting the gaming market compared to Sony or Microsoft. All the shit they're trying to put in motion for their upcoming consoles makes the Wii U's problems seem insignificant.
To say the WiiU will be on par with, or not as powerful as the current gen is stupid. Why would Nintendo go out of their way hunting down or custom building old parts when they can just get new stuff for the same price? Both the 360 and PS3 are hilariously outdated by Mid to low range computing standards, it would be silly of Nintendo not to aim at least a bit higher.
That's a shame. I was hoping the Wii U would be to the PS3 what the Wii was to the Xbox. On par or above the best the prior generation had to offer.
At the end of the day, if the Next Xbox and/or PS4 doesn't have universal online passes or always on DRM, I'll be getting one, if not both of them, and won't bother getting a Wii U (I've never owned a Nintendo console besides a SNES). If that's not the case, I'll get the Wii U, regardless of whether or not it's more powerful than a 360 or PS3.
Or I'll just get a decent gaming rig and take my Vita on the go. Come to think of it, that's probably my best option.
At the end of the day, if the Next Xbox and/or PS4 doesn't have universal online passes or always on DRM, I'll be getting one, if not both of them, and won't bother getting a Wii U (I've never owned a Nintendo console besides a SNES). If that's not the case, I'll get the Wii U, regardless of whether or not it's more powerful than a 360 or PS3.
Or I'll just get a decent gaming rig and take my Vita on the go. Come to think of it, that's probably my best option.
I think the lineup of games (and especially third party support) will ultimately decide the fate of Nintendo's next console, not the fucking system specs. N64 blew ass and failed hard thanks to unfriendliness to third parties, and the DS succeeded because it was made with developers in mind. The Wii is similarly in a good spot for developers on a tighter budget (though not necessarily quality third party devs, as all the best titles are first-party.)
Nintendo can appease both the graphics whores and the hardcore gamers by making use of current-generation parts and creating excellent new core IPs that make as little use of the new gimmicks as is humanly possible. They can't rely on casuals to buy the newest shiny Ninty toys with the new gimmicks, and they can't expect people without their fingers on the pulse of gaming to understand the need to upgrade, either.
Nintendo, I love you and you always innovate, but please be sure to innovate in the /right/ direction. For the Gods' sakes.
Nintendo can appease both the graphics whores and the hardcore gamers by making use of current-generation parts and creating excellent new core IPs that make as little use of the new gimmicks as is humanly possible. They can't rely on casuals to buy the newest shiny Ninty toys with the new gimmicks, and they can't expect people without their fingers on the pulse of gaming to understand the need to upgrade, either.
Nintendo, I love you and you always innovate, but please be sure to innovate in the /right/ direction. For the Gods' sakes.
Seen this yesterday, complete bull, how about when a developer from x company says so is when I'll believe it, not when an anonymous one does. Anyway as far as I'm concerned I'm not going to be playing multiplatform games on the dam thing considering I'll have my rig, all that nintendo needs to do is keep being nintendo, with maybe a better sense of localization.
@Chris Carter
So many things wrong. First off, you can't compare Vita and 3DS by graphics because you can't. The Vita is a handheld console, graphics-wise. I think the 3DS is the more logical step in handhelds graphically.
Also, your statement: "Mario will outsell most Sony franchises." Mario will factually outsell all Sony franchises. For example, NSMBWii has sold approximately 25.47 million copies as of December 2011, while Moderm Warfare 2 (touted as the one game that could outsell Mario) sold approximately 23 million copies as of August 2011.
Also, @guitarmy, and whoever else thinks Nintendo should become a third party developer, no. They will never because their fan base (which is massive, not counting casuals) is perfectly happy with their consoles and their franchises.
Wii U should please any Nintendo fan, while possibly bringing in a few more fans on the way (whether it be a first timer or a gamer from another system). Nintendo knows what they're doing, guys. Besides, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay itself.
So many things wrong. First off, you can't compare Vita and 3DS by graphics because you can't. The Vita is a handheld console, graphics-wise. I think the 3DS is the more logical step in handhelds graphically.
Also, your statement: "Mario will outsell most Sony franchises." Mario will factually outsell all Sony franchises. For example, NSMBWii has sold approximately 25.47 million copies as of December 2011, while Moderm Warfare 2 (touted as the one game that could outsell Mario) sold approximately 23 million copies as of August 2011.
Also, @guitarmy, and whoever else thinks Nintendo should become a third party developer, no. They will never because their fan base (which is massive, not counting casuals) is perfectly happy with their consoles and their franchises.
Wii U should please any Nintendo fan, while possibly bringing in a few more fans on the way (whether it be a first timer or a gamer from another system). Nintendo knows what they're doing, guys. Besides, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay itself.
@Chris Carter
So many things wrong. First off, you can't compare Vita and 3DS by graphics because you can't. The Vita is a handheld console, graphics-wise. I think the 3DS is the more logical step in handhelds graphically.
Also, your statement: "Mario will outsell most Sony franchises." Mario will factually outsell all Sony franchises. For example, NSMBWii has sold approximately 25.47 million copies as of December 2011, while Moderm Warfare 2 (touted as the one game that could outsell Mario) sold approximately 23 million copies as of August 2011.
Also, @guitarmy, and whoever else thinks Nintendo should become a third party developer, no. They will never because their fan base (which is massive, not counting casuals) is perfectly happy with their consoles and their franchises.
Wii U should please any Nintendo fan, while possibly bringing in a few more fans on the way (whether it be a first timer or a gamer from another system). Nintendo knows what they're doing, guys. Besides, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay itself.
So many things wrong. First off, you can't compare Vita and 3DS by graphics because you can't. The Vita is a handheld console, graphics-wise. I think the 3DS is the more logical step in handhelds graphically.
Also, your statement: "Mario will outsell most Sony franchises." Mario will factually outsell all Sony franchises. For example, NSMBWii has sold approximately 25.47 million copies as of December 2011, while Moderm Warfare 2 (touted as the one game that could outsell Mario) sold approximately 23 million copies as of August 2011.
Also, @guitarmy, and whoever else thinks Nintendo should become a third party developer, no. They will never because their fan base (which is massive, not counting casuals) is perfectly happy with their consoles and their franchises.
Wii U should please any Nintendo fan, while possibly bringing in a few more fans on the way (whether it be a first timer or a gamer from another system). Nintendo knows what they're doing, guys. Besides, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay itself.
Highly unlikely. Putting out a system that can't even meet this-gen's graphics would not be a wise move, and I don't think a "good controller" could fix that. Plus Nintendo thinks people are octopi when it comes to controllers.
People are fans of nostalgia. To me, I instantly think of playing my NES and N64 when I think of my childhood. Nintendo has almost become synonymous with nostalgia because they revive old series' and offer classic games. Most of us owe something back to Nintendo, which is why I think they always sell like hotcakes.
Kid Icarus, which I haven't played in, like, a billion years is now my favorite series due to Uprising.
Kid Icarus, which I haven't played in, like, a billion years is now my favorite series due to Uprising.
"The graphics are just not as powerful"
This guy REALLY sounds like he knows a lot about hardware...
"There aren't as many shaders, it's not as capable."
Again...this guy...no clue here. Shaders are irrelevant to how 'powerful' the hardware is. Its like saying a graphics card is more powerful because its compatible with directX#...pre-made shaders are just helpers. You can make your own and its again totally irrelevant to the capability of the hardware.
Thanks for the totally useless propaganda!
This guy REALLY sounds like he knows a lot about hardware...
"There aren't as many shaders, it's not as capable."
Again...this guy...no clue here. Shaders are irrelevant to how 'powerful' the hardware is. Its like saying a graphics card is more powerful because its compatible with directX#...pre-made shaders are just helpers. You can make your own and its again totally irrelevant to the capability of the hardware.
Thanks for the totally useless propaganda!
@Sexualchocolate:
"I very much doubt it will happen again and can see the WiiU being Nintendo's final home console. "
I can see the Wii U not doing well, but "Nintendo's last console"? What are you basing that on? Even the Gamecube made Nintendo craptonnes of money while it was lagging way back in third place against the PS2 and original Xbox.
I do believe that the Wii U could have pretty lackluster sales if they try to go after the same "shovelware" demographic that carried the Wii. On the other hand, the WiiU tablet is potentially one of the most exciting things to happen to "hardcore gaming" (I hate that term) if Nintendo handles it right and shows how that potential can be realized.
@SephirothX:
"I hope I detect sarcasm because otherwise this is the same Nintendo that put out a current gen system that was more or less on comparable to the PS2 and Xbox, and decided HD wasn't important enough. Nintendo is that stupid."
Anyone who takes an objective look can see that the Wii, while lagging far behind the 360 and PS3, is capable of way more than the original Xbox (tho Nintendo often makes the mistake of not showcasing their hardware's capabilities, allowing a false impression to form based on games like Wii Sports).
It's worth pointing out that we can see that the Xbox was capable of far better visuals than the PS2. The Gamecube was, too, for that matter, it was the PS2 that was the least visually impressive console of that generation, unless you count the Dreamcast but even the Dreamcast titles of the time were graphically superior to the early PS2 games (tho developers would eventually push the PS2 into producing graphics way better than the Dreamcast would have been capable of had it remained in the race), lagging far behind both the Gamecube and Xbox that generation (in terms of graphics, but by this generation it should be pretty clear that graphics aren't everything), which makes lumping the PS2 and Xbox together like that even more silly.
A big part of what made the Wii a success for Nintendo was its low cost compared to the PS3 and 360, I suspect Nintendo is going to be counting on Sony and Microsoft to price themselves well out of the average gamer's financial means a second time (which they will have to, to make serious visual strides beyond the current consoles).
Without the chasm of HD resolutions between themselves and the competition, even if the Wii U sports graphics merely "a bit better" than the current HD consoles, the gap between that and the other next gen consoles won't be nearly as stark as it was between the Wii compared to the 360/PS3.
If they can take advantage of that AND make a compelling case for their tablet controller AND bring the hardware to retailers well under the price of the competition, then they should be in pretty good shape.
Of course, they actually need to do all this, and only time will tell if they actually can. Plus there's also the hurdle of an online presence, which both Microsoft and Sony are still far and away better at than Nintendo, and that can really hurt them going forward.
"I very much doubt it will happen again and can see the WiiU being Nintendo's final home console. "
I can see the Wii U not doing well, but "Nintendo's last console"? What are you basing that on? Even the Gamecube made Nintendo craptonnes of money while it was lagging way back in third place against the PS2 and original Xbox.
I do believe that the Wii U could have pretty lackluster sales if they try to go after the same "shovelware" demographic that carried the Wii. On the other hand, the WiiU tablet is potentially one of the most exciting things to happen to "hardcore gaming" (I hate that term) if Nintendo handles it right and shows how that potential can be realized.
@SephirothX:
"I hope I detect sarcasm because otherwise this is the same Nintendo that put out a current gen system that was more or less on comparable to the PS2 and Xbox, and decided HD wasn't important enough. Nintendo is that stupid."
Anyone who takes an objective look can see that the Wii, while lagging far behind the 360 and PS3, is capable of way more than the original Xbox (tho Nintendo often makes the mistake of not showcasing their hardware's capabilities, allowing a false impression to form based on games like Wii Sports).
It's worth pointing out that we can see that the Xbox was capable of far better visuals than the PS2. The Gamecube was, too, for that matter, it was the PS2 that was the least visually impressive console of that generation, unless you count the Dreamcast but even the Dreamcast titles of the time were graphically superior to the early PS2 games (tho developers would eventually push the PS2 into producing graphics way better than the Dreamcast would have been capable of had it remained in the race), lagging far behind both the Gamecube and Xbox that generation (in terms of graphics, but by this generation it should be pretty clear that graphics aren't everything), which makes lumping the PS2 and Xbox together like that even more silly.
A big part of what made the Wii a success for Nintendo was its low cost compared to the PS3 and 360, I suspect Nintendo is going to be counting on Sony and Microsoft to price themselves well out of the average gamer's financial means a second time (which they will have to, to make serious visual strides beyond the current consoles).
Without the chasm of HD resolutions between themselves and the competition, even if the Wii U sports graphics merely "a bit better" than the current HD consoles, the gap between that and the other next gen consoles won't be nearly as stark as it was between the Wii compared to the 360/PS3.
If they can take advantage of that AND make a compelling case for their tablet controller AND bring the hardware to retailers well under the price of the competition, then they should be in pretty good shape.
Of course, they actually need to do all this, and only time will tell if they actually can. Plus there's also the hurdle of an online presence, which both Microsoft and Sony are still far and away better at than Nintendo, and that can really hurt them going forward.
@MrSnuffleupagus
In relation to your comment about Nintendo never becoming a third party developer: I've actually read a few interviews where Nintendo bigshots have said they'll quit video games entirely if they ever feel like they can't continue on their own.
In relation to your comment about Nintendo never becoming a third party developer: I've actually read a few interviews where Nintendo bigshots have said they'll quit video games entirely if they ever feel like they can't continue on their own.
Mario and Pokemon
As long as these two franchises are around, Nintendo has nothing to worry about. Sony and Microsoft wish they had anything half as long-lasting and popular. Whether you want to call them kids games or whatever, they always sell like crazy. And as long as they're only available on Nintendo systems, Nintendo won't have any trouble making money.
Whoa there internalized Nintendo-fanboy, how did you get out? Get back in there.
*mumbling sounds*
As long as these two franchises are around, Nintendo has nothing to worry about. Sony and Microsoft wish they had anything half as long-lasting and popular. Whether you want to call them kids games or whatever, they always sell like crazy. And as long as they're only available on Nintendo systems, Nintendo won't have any trouble making money.
Whoa there internalized Nintendo-fanboy, how did you get out? Get back in there.
*mumbling sounds*
The Wii has the second highest attach rate and sold the largest amount of software of this generation.
Just thought that Jinx and SexualChocolate should know how this "fluke" actually did.
Just thought that Jinx and SexualChocolate should know how this "fluke" actually did.
Even if the Wii-U is on par with 360 and PS3 that's not very impressive considering those are consoles from 2005 and 2007. On par doesn't cut it. It needs to be much better because Sony and Microsoft will have new consoles out too.
So long as they release some Star Fox and F zero games I won't mind if the graphics are a little less than on par with the PS3
@Shinkenmaru
Because the NES had to on par with Genesis. Or the SNES had to be on par with the 32X. Or the Wii had to be on par with the PS3/360. Or because the DS had to be on par with the PSP.
On par or not, this baseless rumor holds no water when it contradicts plenty of REPORTS involving quotes from big name publishers who said it was on par or (more prominently) suggested it was stronger. Epic Games and Crytek have both backed it. That's more than enough to prove to me that this rumor is definitely false.
Because the NES had to on par with Genesis. Or the SNES had to be on par with the 32X. Or the Wii had to be on par with the PS3/360. Or because the DS had to be on par with the PSP.
On par or not, this baseless rumor holds no water when it contradicts plenty of REPORTS involving quotes from big name publishers who said it was on par or (more prominently) suggested it was stronger. Epic Games and Crytek have both backed it. That's more than enough to prove to me that this rumor is definitely false.
These comments are hilarious.
Jim posts about a rumor, acknowledging that it's just a rumor and that it conflicts with what we've heard (and what they've reported) previously, and allows its audience to come to conclusions on their own. Y'know, like a real news site might do.
1st comment: Someone with a Nintendo-based avatar derides Jim for posting a rumor.
Y'know what people? Sometimes you're supposed to use your brain when you read and decide whether or not something is valid. Sometimes a news site will post a quotation not because it's true, but because it's newsworthy. The statements themselves may or may not be true, but the fact that someone said them IS true. You're free to think the statements aren't valid, but Destructoid is only the messenger, and they're doing their job by reporting the story here.
I don't want a news site to tell me what to think, and I appreciate when Destructoid gives me the information and allows me to decide on my own.
Jim posts about a rumor, acknowledging that it's just a rumor and that it conflicts with what we've heard (and what they've reported) previously, and allows its audience to come to conclusions on their own. Y'know, like a real news site might do.
1st comment: Someone with a Nintendo-based avatar derides Jim for posting a rumor.
Y'know what people? Sometimes you're supposed to use your brain when you read and decide whether or not something is valid. Sometimes a news site will post a quotation not because it's true, but because it's newsworthy. The statements themselves may or may not be true, but the fact that someone said them IS true. You're free to think the statements aren't valid, but Destructoid is only the messenger, and they're doing their job by reporting the story here.
I don't want a news site to tell me what to think, and I appreciate when Destructoid gives me the information and allows me to decide on my own.
I don't know, from the Zelda video and the animation demo, I'd have to say that what I've seen look at least as good as Xbox 360... if not better! If it is inferior, man we're splitting some mighty fine hairs. Anyway, as it is always said... graphics don't make the game (and they don't necessarily enhance the immersion on their own either).
I'm going to reiterate what I've said about this before. The console will sell out, because millions of little kids that weren't there for the wii's release or anemic sales life afterward, but grew up watching mom, dad, or their older sibling play on their cool tablets and tablet phones are going to scream and cry for this tablet based game console. It's inevitable, there are new gamers born every year.
I really liked the Wii. I can't wait pick up Xenoblade and Last Story. I also still have plenty of other games I have to finish including the recent Rythem Heaven game.
I can't wait to see what other games will come to the Wii-u. As far as third parties are concerned, they seem to be saying a lot of positive stuff the Wii-u's power. I'm not as concerned about this aspects as others. I rather hear more about the titles themselves, including that new Pikmin 3 :D
I can't wait to see what other games will come to the Wii-u. As far as third parties are concerned, they seem to be saying a lot of positive stuff the Wii-u's power. I'm not as concerned about this aspects as others. I rather hear more about the titles themselves, including that new Pikmin 3 :D
@Bakewell: I'll next gen your next gen until the next gen is all NEXT GEN'D!
I could really give a goddamn about the graphics details on the WiiU. I mean, sure, they ate their words with the Wii and HD. Ultimately, I only care about two things 1) Will they try to block used sales? and 2) Will they have a varied launch catalog (that includes 3rd Party games)?
As an extension of #2, they need to make their system easy to program for including keeping pace with current technology. I understand that programming concerns were a big deal for the PS3 in the early days.
I could really give a goddamn about the graphics details on the WiiU. I mean, sure, they ate their words with the Wii and HD. Ultimately, I only care about two things 1) Will they try to block used sales? and 2) Will they have a varied launch catalog (that includes 3rd Party games)?
As an extension of #2, they need to make their system easy to program for including keeping pace with current technology. I understand that programming concerns were a big deal for the PS3 in the early days.
@Chris Carter
So many things wrong. First off, you can't compare Vita and 3DS by graphics because you can't. The Vita is a handheld console, graphics-wise. I think the 3DS is the more logical step in handhelds graphically.
Also, your statement: "Mario will outsell most Sony franchises." Mario will factually outsell all Sony franchises. For example, NSMBWii has sold approximately 25.47 million copies as of December 2011, while Moderm Warfare 2 (touted as the one game that could outsell Mario) sold approximately 23 million copies as of August 2011.
Also, @guitarmy, and whoever else thinks Nintendo should become a third party developer, no. They will never because their fan base (which is massive, not counting casuals) is perfectly happy with their consoles and their franchises.
Wii U should please any Nintendo fan, while possibly bringing in a few more fans on the way (whether it be a first timer or a gamer from another system). Nintendo knows what they're doing, guys. Besides, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay itself.
So many things wrong. First off, you can't compare Vita and 3DS by graphics because you can't. The Vita is a handheld console, graphics-wise. I think the 3DS is the more logical step in handhelds graphically.
Also, your statement: "Mario will outsell most Sony franchises." Mario will factually outsell all Sony franchises. For example, NSMBWii has sold approximately 25.47 million copies as of December 2011, while Moderm Warfare 2 (touted as the one game that could outsell Mario) sold approximately 23 million copies as of August 2011.
Also, @guitarmy, and whoever else thinks Nintendo should become a third party developer, no. They will never because their fan base (which is massive, not counting casuals) is perfectly happy with their consoles and their franchises.
Wii U should please any Nintendo fan, while possibly bringing in a few more fans on the way (whether it be a first timer or a gamer from another system). Nintendo knows what they're doing, guys. Besides, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay itself.
@Chris Carter
So many things wrong. First off, you can't compare Vita and 3DS by graphics because you can't. The Vita is a handheld console, graphics-wise. I think the 3DS is the more logical step in handhelds graphically.
Also, your statement: "Mario will outsell most Sony franchises." Mario will factually outsell all Sony franchises. For example, NSMBWii has sold approximately 25.47 million copies as of December 2011, while Moderm Warfare 2 (touted as the one game that could outsell Mario) sold approximately 23 million copies as of August 2011.
Also, @guitarmy, and whoever else thinks Nintendo should become a third party developer, no. They will never because their fan base (which is massive, not counting casuals) is perfectly happy with their consoles and their franchises.
Wii U should please any Nintendo fan, while possibly bringing in a few more fans on the way (whether it be a first timer or a gamer from another system). Nintendo knows what they're doing, guys. Besides, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay itself.
So many things wrong. First off, you can't compare Vita and 3DS by graphics because you can't. The Vita is a handheld console, graphics-wise. I think the 3DS is the more logical step in handhelds graphically.
Also, your statement: "Mario will outsell most Sony franchises." Mario will factually outsell all Sony franchises. For example, NSMBWii has sold approximately 25.47 million copies as of December 2011, while Moderm Warfare 2 (touted as the one game that could outsell Mario) sold approximately 23 million copies as of August 2011.
Also, @guitarmy, and whoever else thinks Nintendo should become a third party developer, no. They will never because their fan base (which is massive, not counting casuals) is perfectly happy with their consoles and their franchises.
Wii U should please any Nintendo fan, while possibly bringing in a few more fans on the way (whether it be a first timer or a gamer from another system). Nintendo knows what they're doing, guys. Besides, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay itself.
@Chris Carter
So many things wrong. First off, you can't compare Vita and 3DS by graphics because you can't. The Vita is a handheld console, graphics-wise. I think the 3DS is the more logical step in handhelds graphically.
Also, your statement: "Mario will outsell most Sony franchises." Mario will factually outsell all Sony franchises. For example, NSMBWii has sold approximately 25.47 million copies as of December 2011, while Moderm Warfare 2 (touted as the one game that could outsell Mario) sold approximately 23 million copies as of August 2011.
Also, @guitarmy, and whoever else thinks Nintendo should become a third party developer, no. They will never because their fan base (which is massive, not counting casuals) is perfectly happy with their consoles and their franchises.
Wii U should please any Nintendo fan, while possibly bringing in a few more fans on the way (whether it be a first timer or a gamer from another system). Nintendo knows what they're doing, guys. Besides, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay itself.
So many things wrong. First off, you can't compare Vita and 3DS by graphics because you can't. The Vita is a handheld console, graphics-wise. I think the 3DS is the more logical step in handhelds graphically.
Also, your statement: "Mario will outsell most Sony franchises." Mario will factually outsell all Sony franchises. For example, NSMBWii has sold approximately 25.47 million copies as of December 2011, while Moderm Warfare 2 (touted as the one game that could outsell Mario) sold approximately 23 million copies as of August 2011.
Also, @guitarmy, and whoever else thinks Nintendo should become a third party developer, no. They will never because their fan base (which is massive, not counting casuals) is perfectly happy with their consoles and their franchises.
Wii U should please any Nintendo fan, while possibly bringing in a few more fans on the way (whether it be a first timer or a gamer from another system). Nintendo knows what they're doing, guys. Besides, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay itself.
"i love how some sites reports "rumors" from unknown "source" that we know is bullshit shits on Nintendo, all websites make news out of it yet when actual developers who work on Wii U titles are talking about Wii U's power it's not a news. from what some are saying that "anonymous source" are simply some internet trolls."
Exactly.
Exactly.
@MiraculousGarbage Realism and Skyrim said in the same sentence has to be a sin in some foreign culture i've never heard of.
after all these years Nintendo comes up with something just a little bit better than ps3/xbox360 (1/4 horse power of next gen?) is already ridiculously laughable. Now it's not even ps3/x360. LMFAO
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@Chris Carter
So many things wrong. First off, you can't compare Vita and 3DS by graphics because you can't. The Vita is a handheld console, graphics-wise. I think the 3DS is the more logical step in handhelds graphically.
Also, your statement: "Mario will outsell most Sony franchises." Mario will factually outsell all Sony franchises. For example, NSMBWii has sold approximately 25.47 million copies as of December 2011, while Moderm Warfare 2 (touted as the one game that could outsell Mario) sold approximately 23 million copies as of August 2011.
Also, @guitarmy, and whoever else thinks Nintendo should become a third party developer, no. They will never because their fan base (which is massive, not counting casuals) is perfectly happy with their consoles and their franchises.
Wii U should please any Nintendo fan, while possibly bringing in a few more fans on the way (whether it be a first timer or a gamer from another system). Nintendo knows what they're doing, guys. Besides, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay itself.
So many things wrong. First off, you can't compare Vita and 3DS by graphics because you can't. The Vita is a handheld console, graphics-wise. I think the 3DS is the more logical step in handhelds graphically.
Also, your statement: "Mario will outsell most Sony franchises." Mario will factually outsell all Sony franchises. For example, NSMBWii has sold approximately 25.47 million copies as of December 2011, while Moderm Warfare 2 (touted as the one game that could outsell Mario) sold approximately 23 million copies as of August 2011.
Also, @guitarmy, and whoever else thinks Nintendo should become a third party developer, no. They will never because their fan base (which is massive, not counting casuals) is perfectly happy with their consoles and their franchises.
Wii U should please any Nintendo fan, while possibly bringing in a few more fans on the way (whether it be a first timer or a gamer from another system). Nintendo knows what they're doing, guys. Besides, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay itself.
@Chris Carter
So many things wrong. First off, you can't compare Vita and 3DS by graphics because you can't. The Vita is a handheld console, graphics-wise. I think the 3DS is the more logical step in handhelds graphically.
Also, your statement: "Mario will outsell most Sony franchises." Mario will factually outsell all Sony franchises. For example, NSMBWii has sold approximately 25.47 million copies as of December 2011, while Moderm Warfare 2 (touted as the one game that could outsell Mario) sold approximately 23 million copies as of August 2011.
Also, @guitarmy, and whoever else thinks Nintendo should become a third party developer, no. They will never because their fan base (which is massive, not counting casuals) is perfectly happy with their consoles and their franchises.
Wii U should please any Nintendo fan, while possibly bringing in a few more fans on the way (whether it be a first timer or a gamer from another system). Nintendo knows what they're doing, guys. Besides, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay itself.
So many things wrong. First off, you can't compare Vita and 3DS by graphics because you can't. The Vita is a handheld console, graphics-wise. I think the 3DS is the more logical step in handhelds graphically.
Also, your statement: "Mario will outsell most Sony franchises." Mario will factually outsell all Sony franchises. For example, NSMBWii has sold approximately 25.47 million copies as of December 2011, while Moderm Warfare 2 (touted as the one game that could outsell Mario) sold approximately 23 million copies as of August 2011.
Also, @guitarmy, and whoever else thinks Nintendo should become a third party developer, no. They will never because their fan base (which is massive, not counting casuals) is perfectly happy with their consoles and their franchises.
Wii U should please any Nintendo fan, while possibly bringing in a few more fans on the way (whether it be a first timer or a gamer from another system). Nintendo knows what they're doing, guys. Besides, it's not the graphics that count, but the gameplay itself.
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