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"I could be wrong here, but I think Alan Wake is the new Silent Hill, so Silent Hill needs to be the new Condemned."
Which would make Condemned the new Peggle.
"I could be wrong here, but I think Alan Wake is the new Silent Hill, so Silent Hill needs to be the new Condemned."
Which would make Condemned the new Peggle.
FPS can tell a compelling story - System Shock 2 is a fine example. Dead Space Extraction is an okay example of a rail shooter doing the same.
So it's not impossible - it's just questionable. Silent Hills 0-4 had a perfectly good formula that was excellent for telling a story. I think the fans want that formula back, and the solution to making a great Silent Hill game is to innovate in terms of the game's art, presentation, and narrative, not to try overhauling the game mechanics yet again.
I liked Shattered Memories, but really Konami needs to stop with the external developers' genre-bending stuff and assemble a new creative team for their IP.
So it's not impossible - it's just questionable. Silent Hills 0-4 had a perfectly good formula that was excellent for telling a story. I think the fans want that formula back, and the solution to making a great Silent Hill game is to innovate in terms of the game's art, presentation, and narrative, not to try overhauling the game mechanics yet again.
I liked Shattered Memories, but really Konami needs to stop with the external developers' genre-bending stuff and assemble a new creative team for their IP.
The best Silent Hill I've ever played was Shattered Memories and that didn't have any combat, whatsoever.
So yeah, I'd rather they stick to the third-person.
So yeah, I'd rather they stick to the third-person.
I am approximately 379% more likely to play the next Silent hill game if it is a FPS game rather than a 3rd-person adventurey type of game.
Too bad, I really liked the direction they were taking the series with Shattered Memories. Probably because it didn't require combat with horrible controls like all of the previous games.
It could work, but it needs to be more Project Zero style first person than Doom 3 first person.
On a side note, Shattered Memories was brilliant, it is now my second favorite in the series and was a good direction to take it in. The main ctiticism I saw, that the disorientating running away segments were frustrating, is kinda true, but the game is still brilliant. TI read a number of 'professional' reviews (specifically the print reviews in EDGE and game in the UK) and they stunk of a superficial view, as if they were written by people who had only sunk an hour or two in, certainly not completed it.
On a side note, Shattered Memories was brilliant, it is now my second favorite in the series and was a good direction to take it in. The main ctiticism I saw, that the disorientating running away segments were frustrating, is kinda true, but the game is still brilliant. TI read a number of 'professional' reviews (specifically the print reviews in EDGE and game in the UK) and they stunk of a superficial view, as if they were written by people who had only sunk an hour or two in, certainly not completed it.
Being in first or third person won't matter if the story and acting are junk, not for a game like Silent Hill.
Seeing as I played every game in the series and only walked away with number 2 being great (they really need to add new charaters to the world, not just more of the same old ones), it'll take a lot more than a changed camera angle to excite me this time.
Seeing as I played every game in the series and only walked away with number 2 being great (they really need to add new charaters to the world, not just more of the same old ones), it'll take a lot more than a changed camera angle to excite me this time.
If this turns out to be true i'd like to see the final result first before bitching/ranting, i learned this after i first heard about Shattered Memories and it's "ditching combat in favor of a psychological terror approach" and thought it was BS at the time, now after having played the game i've completely changed my mind.
@litrock / @garethxxgod - I agree.
It takes talent and luck to continually create psy-horror because of the ambiguous nature of the fear response.
It's a complex puzzle for writer/designers to create that experience - and I can't imagine how they don't suffer burnout from that.
But replacing that with the exceedingly ubiquitous and simplistic puzzle 'shoot ghost gun'? And still call it silent hill?
That would be a VanHagar moment.
It takes talent and luck to continually create psy-horror because of the ambiguous nature of the fear response.
It's a complex puzzle for writer/designers to create that experience - and I can't imagine how they don't suffer burnout from that.
But replacing that with the exceedingly ubiquitous and simplistic puzzle 'shoot ghost gun'? And still call it silent hill?
That would be a VanHagar moment.
FPS's aren't psychological nor are they horrifying. There's far too much of a disconnect going on there because you don't know the character you're playing as and even pretending it's "you" often just results in stupidity. If Silent Hill wanted to continue doing something different (like it already has been) it should've stuck with Shattered Memories style adventure gameplay, but fixed the non-combat running sections so that they were better integrated into the game.
In my mind Silent Hill will always take second place to Resident Evil. However, its nice that they're trying new things to improve. I keep almost picking up Shattered Memories and then decide that I can play what's on been sitting on my shelf for months...even years already and wait for it to come down in price.
The first person perspective offers a lot of interesting opportunities for some legit frights. Considering Silent Hill 2 is easily the most frightening game I've ever played, I'd love to see what they do with it. My only concern is how the new perspective would change the way you see the town. The third-person perspective really gave you a good look at the intimidating and ominous community. That would definitely be narrowed by a first-person perspective.
Yeah, a first person perspective doesn't necessarily mean "nuking the fridge" so to speak......
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If it's just a spinoff and not a lightgun game, I'm okay with that. An FPS with a creepy atmosphere and freaky enemies? Well, since there's no chance in hell of seeing a sequel to Undying, I'll take a SH shooter, provided we can still get a decent traditional SH game as well somewhere down the line.
Considering how many enemies you have to face in a typical Silent Hill game, it's only fair that they finally give us some firepower. Going through Silent Hill Homecoming was like trying to play through Halo 3 using only melee attacks.
Vatra can make this game however they want, JUST DON'T FUCK IT UP! All I want to do is play a good Silent Hill game again. :c
At first I was a little worried, but the more I get to thinking about it...yeah, it could work. Whether you liked them or not, it definitely worked with F.E.A.R. and Condemned. Granted, different studio, budget, etc., but it COULD work. Then again, there was the god-awful Silent Hill 4...though to be fair, that wasn't originally a Silent Hill game.
Personally, I think it could work. And really, it couldn't hurt at this point.
Personally, I think it could work. And really, it couldn't hurt at this point.
If they remove the "S" from "FPS" I'll be interested. A first person Silent Hill game could be pretty awesome. Some of the best moments in Shattered Memories were in first person.
I'm really tired of them "reamping" the series. I loved Shattered Memories, because it had no crappy combat and it focused on the psychological aspect. We need more psychological games, not FPS. There's already enough of those. Adventure-esque games are becoming seriously scarce and I am very disappointed. I would love it if they just did another Shattered Memories, but with a greater variety of monsters.
I remember there was a rumor way back after the 4th game came out that the 5th would be first person
F*** you Konami, f*** you! First you killed it, then you mutilated its corpse, now you're dancing on its grave singing 'Yippie ki yay!'
Having also killed its two fighting game franchises (and potentially Castlevania too - please prove me wrong, Kojima), my only remaining hope lies with Metal Gear!
Having also killed its two fighting game franchises (and potentially Castlevania too - please prove me wrong, Kojima), my only remaining hope lies with Metal Gear!
it makes me worry a lot. As much as it raises my curiosity at what these developers would do with a survival horror fps, it has a big risk. It would probably sell a lot more, since fps games are some kind of soma for gamers. Halo and modern warfare fans would destroy it for us. All of the following iterations of SH could become a FPS, if they sell enough.
I'm afraid it will follow the RE pattern: A great set of first games which were a genre of its own, original, clunky, uncomfortable and beautiful, and then a tutti-frutti mush of action and explosions suitable for all the family. That was a sad loss.
Atmosphere, on the other hand, would be cut in half.
For example, One of the great things about the 3rd person view on silent hill was that you oculd get all this great twisted camera angles which added a LOT. (remember the first walk through the alley on SH 1? or the spiky roof on the house of horrors on SH3?) a camera on harry's helmet, moved by stiff mouse movements, would kill that. Also, weaponry would change, making harry some sort of space marine on subconscious-land.
that's what i think. And yes, i'm having a crappy english day. Don't blame me, it's cold here on argentina.
I'm afraid it will follow the RE pattern: A great set of first games which were a genre of its own, original, clunky, uncomfortable and beautiful, and then a tutti-frutti mush of action and explosions suitable for all the family. That was a sad loss.
Atmosphere, on the other hand, would be cut in half.
For example, One of the great things about the 3rd person view on silent hill was that you oculd get all this great twisted camera angles which added a LOT. (remember the first walk through the alley on SH 1? or the spiky roof on the house of horrors on SH3?) a camera on harry's helmet, moved by stiff mouse movements, would kill that. Also, weaponry would change, making harry some sort of space marine on subconscious-land.
that's what i think. And yes, i'm having a crappy english day. Don't blame me, it's cold here on argentina.
Not exactly a bad idea for it to be in first person but as a shooter, doesn't really seem too good. My idea for making the game work as a shooter, running and gunning decreases accuracy and staying still and being somewhat close increases it (even if gun isn't too strong). Clicking on a puzzle activates solving mode (if the puzzle involves collecting then bringing up inventory and dragging item to spot). Also, using resources in inventory and combining some to make weapons.
honestly i would rather it not. they just need to find a good intriguing story and make it like they used to. foggy streets and loads puzzles. anything like a fps will just make the series stander-eds fall more then they have. plus if they go from no combat to full fps what does that really say about the series.
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