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It's bullshit. However, if it isn't and actually does come true then guess I'll be skipping the Xbox 720/Next-box. I'm not interested in Halo, Gears of War, Forza, etc., Alan Wake is now rightfully on the PC, and multiplats will be available on the PS3 and PC so I wouldn't miss it.
Well, I would miss Twisted Pixel. *sigh*
Well, I would miss Twisted Pixel. *sigh*
Makes sense when you think about it. I can't imagine a new console still using plain old DVDs, and I can't imagine Microsoft licensing proprietary Sony technology. So... what option does that leave?
I don't see them completly ditching backwards comp. I do see them making dollars off digital only 360 backwards compatibility. But to cut out DVD or bluray play would undermine the last two or so years of making it an entertainment hub. Then again streaming and zune. Hrmmmm. Boners.
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I am very close friends with a software engineer at Microsoft, and last week she explained something exactly like this to me over dinner. What she told me was that they will be using a kind of thin memory card with incredibly high speeds of transfer.
These cards will sport thin OLED screen on them that will double as a kind of modern day VMU. Once the game has been beaten a preset number of times, a number dictated by a tiered pricing plan for all future games, the OLED screen on the front of the card will display hardcore all male sex scenes, making them impossible to resell. Apparently, Microsoft is finally embracing its bigoted fan base by using these anti gay sentiments to curtail used sales.
This is where those anti-used game hardware rumors originated a month ago.
These cards will sport thin OLED screen on them that will double as a kind of modern day VMU. Once the game has been beaten a preset number of times, a number dictated by a tiered pricing plan for all future games, the OLED screen on the front of the card will display hardcore all male sex scenes, making them impossible to resell. Apparently, Microsoft is finally embracing its bigoted fan base by using these anti gay sentiments to curtail used sales.
This is where those anti-used game hardware rumors originated a month ago.
Doubt it, it seems that jim himself can vouch for the internet not being good enough to suport that.
Imagine how much larger the new games will be in size and then how long it would take to download.
Imagine how much larger the new games will be in size and then how long it would take to download.
I'm really not sure how I feel about this. They would have to make their prices more in line with Steam. Also My gamertag and fake points need to roll over as well. Anyways I'm sure I will not jump on any next get console until it has been out for a couple years anyways.
No DVD's, they will be using blu-ray instead!
If they scrap it and go online only then they are beyond stupid as not everyone has a solid and constant internet connection.
If they scrap it and go online only then they are beyond stupid as not everyone has a solid and constant internet connection.
I'd honestly be surprised if this DIDN'T happen.
If it does, they'd better ship the fucker with at least a 1TB HDD...
If it does, they'd better ship the fucker with at least a 1TB HDD...
I'd be more excited for this if it wasn't for the fact that Microsoft has proved time and time again that they are fucking clueless when it comes to their digital market side of things.
Digital Distribution is the future and it's a goddamn sweet one if Steam is anything to go by. However it's not a future that will be good under Microsoft.
Digital Distribution is the future and it's a goddamn sweet one if Steam is anything to go by. However it's not a future that will be good under Microsoft.
I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to try to get in on the Digital Distro cash cow. I also wouldn't put it past Microsoft to completely miss the point like they are already doing with Games on Demand. $40 for a five year old game? Go fuck yourselves Microsoft.
First off, I love that scene in Jason Takes Manhattan.
Secondly, A discless system would, as Andy pointed out, require a much larger hard drive. I don't know if I want a purely digital system. Maybe if there was a price drop but dammit I like my cases and my discs and my shelves with things on it. We shall see. At the very least they will be moving forward with more digital content on the next system.
Secondly, A discless system would, as Andy pointed out, require a much larger hard drive. I don't know if I want a purely digital system. Maybe if there was a price drop but dammit I like my cases and my discs and my shelves with things on it. We shall see. At the very least they will be moving forward with more digital content on the next system.
No, not a chance.
SSD or other alternatives are way too expensive to print in high numbers. They can push out BluRays with 50gb capacity way faster for under a dollar each.
SSD or other alternatives are way too expensive to print in high numbers. They can push out BluRays with 50gb capacity way faster for under a dollar each.
Well, if the next Xbox is digital only and the PS4 is Bluray, that makes it a really easy decision for me. You hear that, Sony?
This has me a bit worried. If Microsoft is the only distributor, doesn't that mean that they alone can set prices? Would that qualify as a monopoly? At least on PC, Steam has competition from D2D, Gamersgate, and the like because Valve doesn't make your computer. Well, unless that Steambox thing becomes a reality...
@OneRed
You just won the internet.
@OneRed
You just won the internet.
Yeah this'll work because EVERYBODY in the USA has high-speed broadband connection. No, they don't. A lot of people do, but not all. This rumor is just absolutely ridiculous and stupid.
Nice 2 see some of the dtoid o.g.s here.. getting sick of all the whiny noobs... oh shit.. too late.
@Tristrix
Blue Ray is not proprietary Sony tech, it started as a joint venture between Sony, Phillips, and Pioneer. Sony was the first to release a prototype, but there were like 8 companies involved in its development initially. The BDA "owns" the Blue Ray tech.
Besides that, Sony and Microsoft have long been partners. They're not often in direct competition outside of gaming, I'm pretty sure all of the Windows 7 commercials prominently displayed Vaio computers.
Blue Ray is not proprietary Sony tech, it started as a joint venture between Sony, Phillips, and Pioneer. Sony was the first to release a prototype, but there were like 8 companies involved in its development initially. The BDA "owns" the Blue Ray tech.
Besides that, Sony and Microsoft have long been partners. They're not often in direct competition outside of gaming, I'm pretty sure all of the Windows 7 commercials prominently displayed Vaio computers.
Digital in the console market will be bullocks. Do not want and, as has been mentioned every time a digital only system is brought, such infrastructure for the vast majority of gamers does NOT exist.
Even Steam still supports setting up disc based versions of games onto their system.
MS wouldn't be able to pull this off in a way that would (or at least should) make people actually want to own their system. They're already charging people for an online component that should be entirely free. Do they honestly think people will roll over and allow them to take out the used game market in one sweep of the arm?
I really hope humanity hasn't fallen quite that far into the tar pit of stupidity just yet.
Even Steam still supports setting up disc based versions of games onto their system.
MS wouldn't be able to pull this off in a way that would (or at least should) make people actually want to own their system. They're already charging people for an online component that should be entirely free. Do they honestly think people will roll over and allow them to take out the used game market in one sweep of the arm?
I really hope humanity hasn't fallen quite that far into the tar pit of stupidity just yet.
I'd be very surprised if SOMEONE didn't go towards an all-digital console at some point. And this WOULD explain those "no used games" rumors about the 720 from a while ago.
And honestly, I wouldn't really have a problem with it so long as they managed to run it the way that Valve runs Steam. I mean, if the digital pricing was handled in the same stupid manor that it is now by MS, I wouldn't ever even CONSIDER buying one as I would literally have to cut down the number of games I buy by about half.
At the same time, I can't ever say I've been left wanting for games on Steam. Reasonably priced games are a dime a dozen and sales are plentiful. Worst case scenario with their model is that I wait a month or two to buy a new game.
And honestly, I wouldn't really have a problem with it so long as they managed to run it the way that Valve runs Steam. I mean, if the digital pricing was handled in the same stupid manor that it is now by MS, I wouldn't ever even CONSIDER buying one as I would literally have to cut down the number of games I buy by about half.
At the same time, I can't ever say I've been left wanting for games on Steam. Reasonably priced games are a dime a dozen and sales are plentiful. Worst case scenario with their model is that I wait a month or two to buy a new game.
Also, we may be forgetting the rather large, silent portion of Xbox owners who do not connect their consoles to the internet.
To disregard those consumers would be a very, very stupid decision on Microsoft's part.
To disregard those consumers would be a very, very stupid decision on Microsoft's part.
Apple does it and no one bitches and moans. It's high time the rest figured that's the way to go. All digital by 2020!!
I really can't see this as true. I have heard rumors that there will be two versions of the next Xbox and the cheap one will have no disc drive whilst the top tier one will have a blu ray. That makes more sense to me. I really just do not think it feasible to go all digital with the craptastic caps ISP's have and how slow they can be.
However, if the next Xbox does turns out to be all digital, it can kiss my monkey ass! :D
However, if the next Xbox does turns out to be all digital, it can kiss my monkey ass! :D
... these rumours have been floating around for quite awhile now with no outright denials, so I would give them credence.
It also makes sense. I don't think anyone doubts we'll eventually be seeing entirely digital sales at some future point (similar to the fate of PC games) and having some form of portable digital storage device in the interim makes sense for those with poor internet connections or bandwidth caps.
It also makes sense. I don't think anyone doubts we'll eventually be seeing entirely digital sales at some future point (similar to the fate of PC games) and having some form of portable digital storage device in the interim makes sense for those with poor internet connections or bandwidth caps.
The saddest state of affairs. The loss of physical property. Well, that and of-course the fact that industry is just a rotted corpse of what it once was. I used to be a advocate of rig gaming, but could not stand the usual community (or rather mob.) Left to console gaming just to have the industry turn on it's supporters, and consumers. Raping them all while the in-fighting between console gamers, and rig gamers continues on. Then you have petty squables between console owners, and it just continues on. Sort of like a game of "Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock." This, and that. I'm honestly at a point anymore that asociating myself as a "gamer" is emberassing, and as the days roll on I just find myself hating the hobby I used to love. This will just end up being another nail in the coffin. At this point I am just waiting for them to fill in the hole, and be done with it. Atleast I have books still, and writing. Two mediums that will continue on long after "games" die a horrible and tragic death it would seem by this point. Though considering how, conditioned the "average" person (or gamer) is into blindly throwing money at anything within the industry I am sure it will be an utterly slow death. Too bad the industry has so many nulls at their disposle.
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I'd prefer a solid state storage solution anyway. Discs are far too easy to damage and there's no noise!
It better at LEAST be backwards compatible. I'm tired of companies dropping their previous systems like some kind of ex-girlfriend.
DVD9 is no longer a viable storage medium. MS will use something else, but it's anyone's guess as to what.
I wouldnt mind going back to carts so long as I can still buy and play games without needing an internet connection, but if they go full-digital count me out.
The only way this would happen is if they came up with another format that Walmart/Best Buy/ECT could sell. About 80% of game sales go through the big retailers, therefore you DO NOT want to piss them off. I can't see Microsoft making such a foolish move.
@Trist
Hard to say because I'm hardly an expert on such things but Blu-ray was developed by a consortium, it wasn't simply only Sony's bag of tricks.. Yeah, they came to the market with it first, and they;re amongst its founders, but they're hardly the only company at the table. So, Microsoft can still very well use Blu-ray discs and it doesn't have to be Sony's technology.
@Andy
Yeah, thats what I was going to say, and I'll add that the HDD better not tack on $300 simply because they can...
Hard to say because I'm hardly an expert on such things but Blu-ray was developed by a consortium, it wasn't simply only Sony's bag of tricks.. Yeah, they came to the market with it first, and they;re amongst its founders, but they're hardly the only company at the table. So, Microsoft can still very well use Blu-ray discs and it doesn't have to be Sony's technology.
@Andy
Yeah, thats what I was going to say, and I'll add that the HDD better not tack on $300 simply because they can...
DanielCampbell,
You would have thought that in the past, but as the industry has proven they only care about what money they can coerce from the buyer. They have excuses and will continue to use them such as "piracy" as just one example. While a problem granted it is and always has been largely blown w-a-y out of proportion. If you have not noticed with digital distribution outside of Steam like say from both Sony Entertainment Network, or Microsofts own Xbox Live - they price gouge just for the sake of making money. Even though there is no physical property or material the digital distributed product is usually higher in cost, and even slower to decrease in said price too. Honestly if the industry is willing to bite the many hands that feed them such as GameStop, and other like stores, and corperations that dabble in used, and third market products; then one must be willing to see they will do as they wish without concern of the consequences. They simply do not care as long they are free to rape the consumer of both money, and rights. Well, that and the fact that ElectronicArts has willingly stated they are conditioning their buyers to buy "new" only, and they even aim to bring an end to phsyical distribution. They are a devious, and manupilative organization, and should never be trusted.
Oh, well. Not like anyone will listen to the truth.
You would have thought that in the past, but as the industry has proven they only care about what money they can coerce from the buyer. They have excuses and will continue to use them such as "piracy" as just one example. While a problem granted it is and always has been largely blown w-a-y out of proportion. If you have not noticed with digital distribution outside of Steam like say from both Sony Entertainment Network, or Microsofts own Xbox Live - they price gouge just for the sake of making money. Even though there is no physical property or material the digital distributed product is usually higher in cost, and even slower to decrease in said price too. Honestly if the industry is willing to bite the many hands that feed them such as GameStop, and other like stores, and corperations that dabble in used, and third market products; then one must be willing to see they will do as they wish without concern of the consequences. They simply do not care as long they are free to rape the consumer of both money, and rights. Well, that and the fact that ElectronicArts has willingly stated they are conditioning their buyers to buy "new" only, and they even aim to bring an end to phsyical distribution. They are a devious, and manupilative organization, and should never be trusted.
Oh, well. Not like anyone will listen to the truth.
How is it the loss of property of you haven't bought it yet?
Different terms apply to lots of business models when you purchase something.
There's the simple solution, its called not buying it. That way you lose nothing.
Incidentally, do you OWN a game if you download it off Steam? If Steam hit the wall would you have anything to show fur your money?
Different terms apply to lots of business models when you purchase something.
There's the simple solution, its called not buying it. That way you lose nothing.
Incidentally, do you OWN a game if you download it off Steam? If Steam hit the wall would you have anything to show fur your money?
@Corduroy Turtle
Like who, with what system? Only ones I see that have remotely done that recently has been Sony with the Vita, and they still give you an opinion at getting many of your PSP games back, its just not in a way people want that system to work. Last time I remember seeing a real lack of backwards compatibility that I can remember was when Nintendo jumped to a disc format on the gamecube. Those N64 carts never stood a chance...
I've said it before (maybe not here, but elsewhere): Backwards compatibility is a privilege, not a right. They don't have to bother with it at all. I mean, look whats the first thing to go when companies make the "next iteration" everyone claims they want more then the first gen, and it gets cut out due to "engineering space and project budget" to make it cheaper and smaller. If you didn't get in on that first generation of any given system then too bad: its either backwards compatibility or a price cut.
Like who, with what system? Only ones I see that have remotely done that recently has been Sony with the Vita, and they still give you an opinion at getting many of your PSP games back, its just not in a way people want that system to work. Last time I remember seeing a real lack of backwards compatibility that I can remember was when Nintendo jumped to a disc format on the gamecube. Those N64 carts never stood a chance...
I've said it before (maybe not here, but elsewhere): Backwards compatibility is a privilege, not a right. They don't have to bother with it at all. I mean, look whats the first thing to go when companies make the "next iteration" everyone claims they want more then the first gen, and it gets cut out due to "engineering space and project budget" to make it cheaper and smaller. If you didn't get in on that first generation of any given system then too bad: its either backwards compatibility or a price cut.
This could definitely work but they'll need to price the games right. I think Microsoft's biggest concern is to get more first party studios. Because if they don't, they will be pounded by Sony and Nintendo this time around.
@BomberJacket
I don't know if you're just acting stupid or you forgetting that Microsoft has steeper competion than any of those digital providers you've mentioned. As long as they're are third party studios and Sony/Nintendo are around, MS can't have a monopoly.
@BomberJacket
I don't know if you're just acting stupid or you forgetting that Microsoft has steeper competion than any of those digital providers you've mentioned. As long as they're are third party studios and Sony/Nintendo are around, MS can't have a monopoly.
I seriously hope digital only isn't in the future. Not everybody has 10mb internet (we can't even go past 1.5). I'll probably stick with Sony and blu-ray anyways.
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