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Rumor: Natal to launch with new Microsoft system photo

So Natal is a big deal, or it hopefully will be for Microsoft's sake. But I bet you didn't think it could become an even bigger deal, did you? How big a deal? How about new console big. Rumor now has it that Natal won't just be an add on for the 360, but will launch with an entirely new Microsoft console as well. Yea, not a new SKU of the 360, a new console with new features and a new name.

The guys at 1Up have talked about what they've heard around the metaphorical water cooler and evidently this will be an upgraded system that will focus heavily towards the expanded crowd the Wii has claimed. It's not a major jump in technology like past console generation leaps, but instead something more like what the Wii did with a simple upgraded GameCube that sold not on new graphics, but creative control and design. The system is not intended to be a 360 killer though, with all games developed being for both the 360 and the Natal system, but some games using the extra muscle and features of the Natal system, much like games on the DSi will start using DSi only functions. The rumored system will be able to play games designed for both better on the new system than the 360 too thanks to the added muscle. 

With developers complaining that they've maxed out the 360, and Nintendo still rumored to be releasing a Wii HD this could be a major move for Microsoft to truly try to catch up to the Wii. Then again it does lend a lot of credence to Sony's early claims that the PS3 was the long term system for gamers. Remember, before you go all crazy, this is a very, very big rumor, but that being said the system could be announced at GDC 2010.








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Wintersocks's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:03
Wintersocks
All comes down to the price.

If it's over 250, casuals won't buy.
eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:03
eternalplayer2345
Screw different SKUs it's time for different systems because history has show us that this will work without a doubt. Oh wait
Wintersocks's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:04
Wintersocks
@eternalplayer2345

I liked the sega Cd...
mOnion's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:07
mOnion
comparing this to sega is SO off track

i think this could work well, b/c microsoft is the only company with only ONE console out, and has been for a long time

Nintendo always has a home console and a handheld
Sony caught on and did the PSP
Microsoft could do a similar thing, except with a hardcore console and a casual consol

i like this...ohhhhh boy! i cant wait to see how this works!!!
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:08
Chris Carter
If something can compete with the Wii, and give us a higher ratio of core/better games, I'll be stoked. It'll be the ultimate "win" system for everyone: no sad casuals like with the 360/PS3, and no sad cores like with the Wii.

Oh wait, the DS already achieves this, and is portable! ;D
eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:11
eternalplayer2345
@m0nion
I am simply pointing out a company have never been truly successful supporting multiple systems.
mOnion's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:13
mOnion
@eternal

nah i didnt mean it as a jab at you, i know what you mean

but maybe with the new technology this could work out X X fingers crossed
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:14
GoldenGamerXero
I bet this is going to be what kills the causual gaming crowd. They're a simple bunch and alll they require is flashing object and a faux sense of skill and they'll be all right BUT WAIT! We've all gone and screwed it up by giving them choice! OH NOES! They've all gone and sold their consoles for iPhones...

@Magnalon

Ain't gonna happen. If motion controls get there you can bet your ass that shovelware will follow. Maybe this time in the shape of poorly designed shooters but shovelware all the same (Shovelware isn't just minigames you know?)
mOnion's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:20
mOnion
also: whats the best part about project natal?

possibility for HEY YOU, PIKACHU 2!!!

plx plx plx plx plx plxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Discarded Couch Sandwich's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:23
Discarded Couch Sandwich
As long as this doesn't make previous owners feel like they're being shafted with a weaker console, this might be a good idea. One thing I definetly don't want is the thought at the back of my mind, telling me that there's yet another console I need to buy to get the best out of my games..
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:25
Chris Carter
@Golden
But Microsoft has infinitely more third party developers at their disposal. Sure, there will be tons of shovelware, but you can bet your ass there will be more quality titles. Case and point: The Nintendo DS. For every "Learn to Cook!" by Ubisoft, there's a "Knights in the Nightmare" by STING.
dmgi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:28
dmgi
I'd rather it be an add on, like the Sega CD, rather than a completely new console. That way they won't split the community and game designers with a new console but still be able to add something non-trivial to the console.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:28
hpv
That'd certainly fit with Microsoft's SOP. I hope they don't force another generation of consoles early again. Especially not for something as stupid as EyeToy Plus.
AKK's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:32
AKK
This is a console version of the DSi. It's an older system with more power and a camera.

Way to rip off Nintendo, Microsoft!

Or something.
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:33
garison
Uuuuum, as long as the D-Pad isn't shit, I'm down.
Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:37
Justice
I highly doubt there'll be a WiiHD, even Iwata said it's not happening.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:37
pedrovay2003
I see a casual Microsoft console coming.

Also, maybe this new system will actually, I don't know, function this time around. :P
CBunn's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:40
CBunn
As the casuals bought the wii as a "Wii sports station" I can see they buying it if bundled with some killer application
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:50
Monodi
What Garison said.

Also, backwards compability. It is one of the best things game consoles can offer ever.
RawwrBag's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:54
RawwrBag
I'm calling bullshit on this one.
Caffeine Knight's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:55
Caffeine Knight
I don't like the idea of this one bit. I say release it as an accessory that will work with the 360 and their next system to come. Forward compatibility is where it's at these days - at least, that's what the kids are saying.
whowhatwherehow's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 15:58
whowhatwherehow
Xbox Fit, anyone?
WarZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 16:32
WarZombie
I just really hope that this doesn't turn into a new Wii, in the sense that over half the console's library is shovelware shit. I know there will be shovelware, but at least MS has the resources (Third-Party support) to really make something unique with Natal. Whether they do it or not is a different story.
KoKoO Psy's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 16:41
KoKoO Psy
If i can get a 360 for LIVE Arcade games ONLY, NO DISC TRAY. I would be a happy camper. Because i only want a 360 for the Arcade Games

That dream however, will remain a dream. But they made every other SKU, so why not?
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 17:03
DeusPayne
So... because someone said it, it's a rumor now? Both Nintendo has gone on record of no plans for a WiiHD, and every bit of PR for Natal has been bragging about how it won't require a new system to use, and can work with current 360. Add in the long term plans for this console generation, and you're just spewing crap out of your ass worse than Patcher...
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 17:03
Corak
I'm going to call bullshit too. However, I can see this being an added accessory to existing 360 consoles and will work just fine. At the same time I can possibly see a slimmed down 360, you know smaller, lack of HD etc, for the same price as the Wii with this packaged in.
HiddenAHB's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 17:07
HiddenAHB
Maybe a powered down 360, focusing the causal people.
If this rumor turn out to be true this is going to be the year of the 360!
Natal, a new console, and a shitload of exclusive good games...
Go MS go!
KoKoO Psy's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 17:19
KoKoO Psy
360 Arcade is already cheaper then wii, isn't it?
Holiday's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 17:22
Holiday
What I figure is that NATAL will require more processing power than what the current Xbox 360 can provide. Not for simple Pong like games but to get something close to Milo and Kate most certainly. Seems like Microsoft is gonna hype this new tech like they hyped "next-gen" graphics in order to sell new hardware and games.

10 years from now we'll be paying $2000 + for a Holo-gaming console.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 17:28
pedrovay2003
@KoKoO

Yeah, it is, but it's not worth it compared to what you get in the Pro bundle. Plus, it only comes with a 256mb memory card, which you'll fill up in less than a day.
wlodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 17:52
wlodi
What about Xii or something like that?
Windmill's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 18:13
Windmill
Sounds like a terrible idea.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 18:20
Black Nexus
A new system, well that wont piss of alot of people, especially as I recall them saying the 360 was only half way through its lifecycle and they have no plans for a new console because people dont wanna buy a a new console every 5 years( checks june issue of game informer) yep thats what they said.

I guess this isn't impossible considering everyone hitting dvds limits, but is this console a replacement for the 360 or a casual console.

bah whatever I'm calling BS for now.
habslove's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 18:23
habslove
I have a feeling it might end up like the DS and PSP, how Nintendo has such a strong hold over the handheld crowd...they've also got a pretty good hold over the casual gamers. It would be interesting to see how it would all turn out
Xonticus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 18:51
Xonticus
I can wait to play Natal on my new Laser Television in 2011 on my new slimline xbox 360!!

http://www.amazon.com/Mitsubishi-L65A90-65-Inch-LaserVue-Projection/dp/B001IAAD3K
mrplow8's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 20:12
mrplow8
This is smart of them, if it's true. Natal can't compete with Wii if it's just a 360 peripheral. But if the dedicate an entire console to it and market it well then Nintendo may have some competition.
Dimly's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 21:15
Dimly
This does not bode well
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 21:16
whormongr
natal is for babies
ZombiePlatypus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 23:11
ZombiePlatypus
I absolutely hate shit like this. It's bad enough with handhelds churning out slightly different "upgrades" for years, and the multiple SKUs that are rampant this gen with Sony and MS, this'd just piss me off even more. I hope this rumor is bullshit.
Spork's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/13/2009 23:43
Spork
I refuse to pay for yet another bloody console. It's too soon for new systems.
Kent's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2009 02:37
Kent
Maybe it will come packaged with a core system. Like a bundle. That makes WAY more sense than a new console within a year.
Rosseh's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2009 06:50
Rosseh
My own 360 has been gathering a lot of dust lately. I've been drifting off to the PC more and more, especially when a lot of the 360 releases are coming out for PC these days. If they're going to release slightly upgraded systems from now on (jumping to conclusions!) then I'd rather have control over those components.
wonky360's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2009 08:39
wonky360
I heard NATAL was a going to be able to detect when you were sad and email the Samaritans on your behalf. Yawn.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2009 19:51
Darren Nakamura
I don't believe it, but I could be wrong...
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/15/2009 04:26
Sexualchocolate
XBOX Wii60 anyone? Perhaps a Fwii60?

"We'll release a new Xbox the day after Sony release a new Playstation" anyone remember that MS quote?

PS3 is long term, 10 year life cycle. Let alone 10 year hardware survival - a couple of things Microshaft could do with reading up on.

£150 for a console that's gonna last a year tops, and will be replaced by a new, waggle friendly, version in 5 years (after you've bought / had repaired 4/5 of them) or £300 for a console that will last 10 years?

Hmmmmmmmm.

I think this whole plan will fail, and not from a fanboy standpoint, from a consumer standpoint. Myself and a couple of buddies, we bought Wii's, enjoyed them for about a month, then got bored, gave them to parents / siblings and bought PS3's. Taking that into account, i can imagine millions of people bought Wii's and got bored of them, sure it still looks good on the Wii sales, but when MS release their "Wii60" they're not going to get the whole "ooh it's the new thing" sales that Nintendo did. They're going to suffer from "oh, it's like a Wii but a bit better? But i never play my Wii anymore" meh-ness.

Or even the casual gamers response of "i've already got a Wii, why would i need a Wii60?"

It's going to take some very very clever marketing to get people who bought the Wii to upgrade to a Wii60, specially as a whole lot of those people have probably lost interest in their Wii's.
ChaosTeaCup's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/15/2009 11:53
ChaosTeaCup
" I wonder if they'll slim the console down and add a slot loading disk drive that glows green."

"If i can get a 360 for LIVE Arcade games ONLY, NO DISC TRAY"

I don't know if this has been rectified in recent history, but I can recall when I bought my car stereo, a little line in the literature that came with it, something along the lines of: We recommend you make copies of your favourite cds to play in the car, as it has been shown that over time front-loading cd systems are liable to scratch the discs.

Don't know if this is still relevant, and front-loaders are nice asthetically, but I would prefer not to get the scratches.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/15/2009 12:26
Holyetheline
Huge rumor is huge. Wow.
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