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I'm definitely down with this. I'm so fucking tired of wanting to get something for $15 and having to drop $20.
I bet they'll still be imposing arbitrary "units" that you can add as funds.
eg, game costs £8 - you can only put £10 or £20 onto your account.
It's a dick move aimed at taking more money than you want to spend and coercing you into spending even more later on. It's one of the main reasons I buy very little from XBL.
MS points, or real cash, either way let us buy like we do on PSN, a £5 minimum is fine, but let us add funds to the exact amount of the item we want to purchase.
but like i say, I doubt it will actually happen like that.
eg, game costs £8 - you can only put £10 or £20 onto your account.
It's a dick move aimed at taking more money than you want to spend and coercing you into spending even more later on. It's one of the main reasons I buy very little from XBL.
MS points, or real cash, either way let us buy like we do on PSN, a £5 minimum is fine, but let us add funds to the exact amount of the item we want to purchase.
but like i say, I doubt it will actually happen like that.
So would we then be forced to use our credit cards. Cause if that is the case, I would have to say goodbye to XBLA. No way am I putting that on there
@KingSigy - Even with cash values, they rig it to be that way on $20 cards.
And I actually do prefer the cards. I'm just not comfortable storing my credit card information on anything.
And I actually do prefer the cards. I'm just not comfortable storing my credit card information on anything.
Of course the most sensible route here is to keep the MSP system in place as a choice for customers who prefer to use pre-paid cards.
The cards are great. I never pay full price for their equivalent point value. Abolishing points would mean the end of these sorts of sales.
I admit they can be annoying when you only need 200points.
I admit they can be annoying when you only need 200points.
Yes. Please.
This would fit well with all the retail shops around here selling out the points cards at discount prices now actually.
This would fit well with all the retail shops around here selling out the points cards at discount prices now actually.
I know people that are not going to like this as they can now buy point card for considerably less than 1.20€ for 100 points and when m$ is going to remove the points they will have to pay the fully price.
For Europe it may actually be a bad thing.
For Europe it may actually be a bad thing.
No! No! No! Bad! At least for Poland... You can get get those for 3/4 of what's they're "worth". This'll hurt my wallet.
No, please. People without credit card, like me, wont be able to buy MSP anymore.
Unless they mean to change the currency to something similar to PSN. If that is the case I don't really care.
Unless they mean to change the currency to something similar to PSN. If that is the case I don't really care.
If this is true, many people that prefer to use pre-paid cards rather than credit cards are gonna get a hard time. Because PSN uses real money as its currency of choice, the customer has to pay tax on some items. So if I wanted to buy Darksiders off of PSN for the advertised $19.99, it would also charge me $1.35 for tax. So I would basically have to buy TWO $20 cards just to buy ONE $20 game. That's some weak bullshit.
@Zero
I'm 99% sure they won't miss out on the giant market of people/kids who don't have credit cards.
It'll be just like the PSN and the Wii.
I'm 99% sure they won't miss out on the giant market of people/kids who don't have credit cards.
It'll be just like the PSN and the Wii.
If they do it, coutries without xbox support such as mine would not be able to buy stuff from xbox live.
I don't buy anything or play online at all, but it's an issue for the ones who do.
I don't buy anything or play online at all, but it's an issue for the ones who do.
Is... Is that logic? Well we can rule out that possibility then.
@Street Flighter I was hoping to hold a sophomoric grudge against you, but you've melted my heart with Mrs Doyle.
@Street Flighter I was hoping to hold a sophomoric grudge against you, but you've melted my heart with Mrs Doyle.
NO! This is terrible news. I regularly purchase points cards for less than the actual monetary value.
I really hope this is true. I absolutely hate the MSP system. As far as I'm concerned, it's a blatant rip-off. Being forced to overpay for something and the remainder being useless is like being forced to leave a tip. Of course it's your choice to to not buy games and add-ons from XBL, but that really limits what you can do with your games.
I wanna know how Tojax gets his less then full price. Perhaps he buys them from people that have hacked into others accounts and uses their cards to buy MSP only to sell overseas cheaper.
Some how, one of my friends has "such and such" and ONE Microsoft Points. He was no idea where that 1 point came from, so now, he's always got that extra point that he can't spend...
Not so sure how I feel about this. I often buy a shitload of points when they go on sale. Real money never goes 'on sale'.
Would you like some Itchy and Scratchy money? It works just like regular money but it’s more.....fun.
It would be a little awkward if their Bing Rewards and Xbox LIVE Rewards programs suddenly declined to award points right before a payout was due.
I don't get the whole "Credit Card Information" arguement. Aren't you paying for your XBL subscription on a credit/debit card?
@MikenJello
You can use a 12 month prepaid subscription card for those(which is what I use) besides the credit/debit card route
You can use a 12 month prepaid subscription card for those(which is what I use) besides the credit/debit card route
I hate math... and I hate doing Microsoft math just to figure out the price of an item. (well... it's either do Microsoft math or do credit card roulette and buy the thing only to see the surprise cost later on the bill!)
... real money makes sense.
... real money makes sense.
They don't have to get rid of the points system just fix it so it makes sense.
10 bucks is 1000 Wii points, this means 1 dollar is 100 points, makes sense.
Here 10 bucks is 800 points, either there're trying to screw us out of money or somebody sucks at math, it needs to change either way.
10 bucks is 1000 Wii points, this means 1 dollar is 100 points, makes sense.
Here 10 bucks is 800 points, either there're trying to screw us out of money or somebody sucks at math, it needs to change either way.
The girls in the header pic just used their credit cards to download Hurdle Turtle AND the expansion pack.
If I were given the choice, I'd prefer to have the ability to purchase only exactly as many Microsoft Points as I want over converting to real money but maintaining the system in which we constantly have to overpay and leave a small chunk of our money in videogame limbo.
So, in case this is real, everyone remember that $1 is 80msp. Cause I can see a wave of people coming (even if it isn't us) who'll say "how much will I get then?!".. Take your amount, divide by 80, thats how much money you'll get in dollars and change.
While this would be a nice move to help us figure out exactly how much we're buying and spending, I'm with everyone else who's saying we're still going to have certain unit amounts imposed on us. So we're still going to have the issue of having left overs that Microsoft gets to keep -THAT needs to stop.
I know people have a shit-fit over Microsoft doing that and the way they do it, but the worst is actually the 3DS eShop.
eShop makes you pay tax on every item you buy depending on your state, but instead of taxing the funds you put INTO your account, which wouldn't effect your funds because you'd be paying the tax separate based on what your putting in, they tax you when you make your game purchase. So if a game costs $8 and you think you're going to have $2 left, think again, because you'll really have $.80 left (just a wild guestiment, not a real transaction no matter how similar it might be) because the game was taxed. So it forces you to not only buy more currency sooner, but it forces you into having loose change that you'll never get rid of, that Nintendo gets to keep, under the guise of "oh, we're following state tax laws".
If Microsoft -or anyone one else- does that shit, I'll be pissed.
While this would be a nice move to help us figure out exactly how much we're buying and spending, I'm with everyone else who's saying we're still going to have certain unit amounts imposed on us. So we're still going to have the issue of having left overs that Microsoft gets to keep -THAT needs to stop.
I know people have a shit-fit over Microsoft doing that and the way they do it, but the worst is actually the 3DS eShop.
eShop makes you pay tax on every item you buy depending on your state, but instead of taxing the funds you put INTO your account, which wouldn't effect your funds because you'd be paying the tax separate based on what your putting in, they tax you when you make your game purchase. So if a game costs $8 and you think you're going to have $2 left, think again, because you'll really have $.80 left (just a wild guestiment, not a real transaction no matter how similar it might be) because the game was taxed. So it forces you to not only buy more currency sooner, but it forces you into having loose change that you'll never get rid of, that Nintendo gets to keep, under the guise of "oh, we're following state tax laws".
If Microsoft -or anyone one else- does that shit, I'll be pissed.
So Nintendo can keep doing it without anyone complaining, just because their division is slightly easier than Microsofts?
Nintendo Points always leave me with leftover points, but unlike XBL, there's nothing for a dollar on the eShop, so I still have 100 points just floating around. On PSN I have something like 3 cents that just sits there, doing nothing.
You can buy MS points in $5 quantities through XBL, same as PSN. You can buy cards in store at $20 or $50 quantites, just like PSN. The only difference seems to be that people somehow can't remember the basic math that 800 points = $10. If you can't divide or multiply that by 2, then our educational system has severely failed.
Nintendo Points always leave me with leftover points, but unlike XBL, there's nothing for a dollar on the eShop, so I still have 100 points just floating around. On PSN I have something like 3 cents that just sits there, doing nothing.
You can buy MS points in $5 quantities through XBL, same as PSN. You can buy cards in store at $20 or $50 quantites, just like PSN. The only difference seems to be that people somehow can't remember the basic math that 800 points = $10. If you can't divide or multiply that by 2, then our educational system has severely failed.
Yeah I think sexualChocolate has it right. MS will indeed change their funds to actual money, but you will probably still be forced to only add certain amounts that dont fit in with the general pricing of games, so there will always be scraps left over. It will be the same as the MS points!
Its the same with PSN, with its minimum of $10 for credit cards, then $20, $30, etc, with no middle ground.
Its the same with PSN, with its minimum of $10 for credit cards, then $20, $30, etc, with no middle ground.
This would be great. Not only are MS Points silly, and Microsoft would be the last company to continue using made up currency (even Nintendo uses real money for the 3DS), it would also be more convenient for me. I don't want to give MS my credit card info, so I always end up buying the points cards. However, where I live (Canada), 20 dollars gets you 1400 points instead of 1600. I'm hoping that if they switch it to real money, they won't be able to do that anymore.
You think this would be a good idea but its not (for me in the UK anyway). Because of Microsoft points I pay the same amount for DLC as USA XBL members. For PSN I pay more money for DLC then USA PSN members
Would deft be down for this. Makes a lot more sense than $20 for 1600 points when I just need to expend $6 for what I want it.
This would be a fantastic change. I hope they do it and get a lot of positive attention for it, maybe it would help push Nintendo to do the same.
I remember back in 07 right before I got a xbox I thought your gamer score translated into microsoft points lol would have been awsome.
The ms points are such bs, you always end up with odd amounts of points that cant buy anything.
The ms points are such bs, you always end up with odd amounts of points that cant buy anything.
I just want the ability to purchase custom amounts of points. I love how the 3DS allows you to purchase the exact funds you need for individual software, even if it doesn't use points. The fact that Xbox DOES use points should make that even more of a given.
They'll lose my money if they do, I don't have a credit card, so the points system is the only way I can buy from Live or indeed PSN, as some others have stated, even if I did have a credit card, I wouldn't want my details stored on their servers anyway, give people options is the only way!
Sounds nice but how am I going to pay with a credit card? They would need to replace the points cards with ones similar to what Sony is using.
Never understood the hatred on this one. It's really not that complicated is it?
I understand why MS chose this system, as it was meant to unify game prices across Xbox Live globally.
I guess some people aren't happy unless they've got something to bitch about.
I understand why MS chose this system, as it was meant to unify game prices across Xbox Live globally.
I guess some people aren't happy unless they've got something to bitch about.
@JamnOnTheOne
"NO! This is terrible news. I regularly purchase points cards for less than the actual monetary value."
THIS! Really glad I'm not the only one who sees at least some benefits of MSP.
Sure, the conversion rate is annoying, but the MSP system itself can really work to your advantage if you know how to use it. For example:
1) I earn about 10 MSP a day just for searching for random shit with Bing. I literally just type in a random word (usually something sexual) and click "related searches" a bunch of times until I've earned 10 "Bing" points for the day. Then, once every week or so, I cash in my 125 Bing points for 100 MSP. It takes about a minute out of my day total, and it equates to about a free $1.00 worth of MSP every week.
2) I earn free MSP for being a Xbox Rewards member. If you use Xbox LIVE and you haven't signed up for (free) Gold Rewards then you're just silly. You earn points or pretty much everything you're already doing on XBLA -- buying games, renewing Gold, etc. It basically equates to cash back for purchases made, and requires zero effort on your part. (Unless you want to take part in the monthly survey, which gives you another free 20 MSP.) In the year or so since I signed up I've earned 1610 MSP (about $20), and other than the 30 second monthly survey I do every month, it's required literally ZERO effort on my part.
3) Like JamnOnTheOne said, MSP cards are on sale ALL THE TIME. Buying a 1600 MSP card for $15 (a common sale on Amazon) equates to $5 free dollars worth of MSP. IT'S LIKE FREE FUCKING MONEY.
TL;DR - The Microsoft Points system may have its annoying caveats, but if you know how to take advantage of the system, it's well worth the effort.
"NO! This is terrible news. I regularly purchase points cards for less than the actual monetary value."
THIS! Really glad I'm not the only one who sees at least some benefits of MSP.
Sure, the conversion rate is annoying, but the MSP system itself can really work to your advantage if you know how to use it. For example:
1) I earn about 10 MSP a day just for searching for random shit with Bing. I literally just type in a random word (usually something sexual) and click "related searches" a bunch of times until I've earned 10 "Bing" points for the day. Then, once every week or so, I cash in my 125 Bing points for 100 MSP. It takes about a minute out of my day total, and it equates to about a free $1.00 worth of MSP every week.
2) I earn free MSP for being a Xbox Rewards member. If you use Xbox LIVE and you haven't signed up for (free) Gold Rewards then you're just silly. You earn points or pretty much everything you're already doing on XBLA -- buying games, renewing Gold, etc. It basically equates to cash back for purchases made, and requires zero effort on your part. (Unless you want to take part in the monthly survey, which gives you another free 20 MSP.) In the year or so since I signed up I've earned 1610 MSP (about $20), and other than the 30 second monthly survey I do every month, it's required literally ZERO effort on my part.
3) Like JamnOnTheOne said, MSP cards are on sale ALL THE TIME. Buying a 1600 MSP card for $15 (a common sale on Amazon) equates to $5 free dollars worth of MSP. IT'S LIKE FREE FUCKING MONEY.
TL;DR - The Microsoft Points system may have its annoying caveats, but if you know how to take advantage of the system, it's well worth the effort.
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