Killzone 2 was excellent as it was. It doesnt need any of these bullshit gimmicks to sell. It doesnt need Arc support and it doesnt need headache inducing 3D. For fucks sake, what happened to just making games fun instead of gimmicky. I hope this stays a rumor.

I'd love to watch someone playing this game, while wearing 3D glasses and waving the Wand around. How cool would THAT look?

The answer is "really goddamn cool".

Bad idea to release this alongside the behemoth Reach, especially with motion controls..

No not motion control!!!!!

I tried FPS on the Wii and found it terrible, no competition at all for a mouse. I am eager to see if Microsoft or Sony can do better.

Well, I think IR pointing is a great control scheme for a shooter. So long as the 3D is optional (Of course it is... right?) then I'm actually pretty excited about this!

Yeah... apparently the "surprise game" isn't Killzone 3. It's SOCOM. Fucking YAWN.

Oh and:

The comparison of Wii motion ctrl to PS3 motion ctrl is probably like comparing old 3D to new 3D technology. I am positive the PS3 Arc or whatever is in a whole different ballpark than the wiimote

joystiq sez the reveal is SOCOM 4.................YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

As long as the motion control and 3D keywords remain "support" and not "required" they can do whatever they wantas far as I'm concerned.

@ViciousBoston

"The controls were fine except the scoping in."

Sure, but in a cover-based FPS (where you spend most of your time scoped in), it gets kind of annoying by like the middle of the first level...

Sony Wiimote + 3d = Vomit....people were complaining about how Avatar made them feel sick to their stomachs...

If it has controls similar to the Conduit I will be so happy.

Sony, believe it or not, is pouring MAJOR resources into 3D. On the movie front they are pressuring Movie theaters, along with other rajor film companies, to upgrade their screens to digital to handle the new 3d. They are pushing their 3d Tv's like there is no tomorrow, and they Ripped off a patent my boss hold for a 3d filming technology called Circlescan to mass produce 3d movies. They currently are in a legal battle with Sony... So yea, I'd say Sony has put its life in 3d and is making people like it, weather they want to or not is a different story.

Why in the hell are people complaning about motion controls? It's the P-S-Fucking-3. Do you REALLY think they'll be required? If you don't like them then don't use them. Problem solved.

Also, what games are people playing where the aiming is bad on the Wii? The Conduit, Metroid Prime 3, even Call of Duty - Those were all great when it came to aiming. Not perfect, but not merritting people going batshit crazy over the concept, either.

Motion control? Uh-oh. It better work this time. I'm enjoying Heavy Rain, but I get frustrated by the QTE's that require you to move the controller because six-axis just plain doesn't work.

More complaining about controls and whatnot. I'm really sorry not every single game completely suits your personal taste. We will fire everybody of the dev-team and call you for consult first.

I'd prefer if they kept the controls heavy.

Also, I'd prefer if this 3D motion controlling garbage wasn't mandatory. If I can turn it off, then I shall remain a satisfied costumer.

@Takeshi

I, for one, am not complaining just because the controls weren't exactly like [insert game here] (or whatever the common misconception is), but rather that it was way harder than it should have been to simultaneously press all the buttons required to crouch behind cover, zoom, aim, and fire your weapon. For a game that encourages/forces you to use both the cover system and the iron sights (which I am fine with), they really should have just allowed you to lock into cover. (And yes, I know control options were better for multiplayer, but my beef is with single player.)

I certainly didn't feel that it was game breaking by any means, it was just really fucking annoying when it clearly didn't have to be. (This is about the time someone should link to Jim's "fans need to STFU" blog...)

Either way, as a consumer, it is my right to complain. I paid $60 of my hard-earned money for their product, and if I am in any way unsatisfied, the developer owes it to me customers to listen.

They should just feel lucky I'm not complaining with my wallet...

Anyway, regardless of what happens with the default controls in Killzone 3, GG (as well as pretty much every other console-only developer on the planet) should really allow more controller customization options in their games. Why? Because not everybody plays games the same way, and we shouldn't be forced too. If it increases my enjoyment of their game to be able to remap controls, it's to their benefit to let me do so.

Besides, it can't be that hard. PC developers have been doing it since the dawn of Wolfenstein.

I'd put motion control in the "don't know until I try" box. I like the way Metroid Prime 3, but that's not a conventual fps.

One of the things I dislike about 3D is when you've got out of focus objects sticking out in the foreground, drawing attention to themselves. Putting that it Killzone would make me want to rip my character's arms off.

Killzone 2 showed off the level of graphics the PS3 can push out. It did that well but didn't do much else. Mysteriously, they intentionally gave the game bad controls. They admitted they intentionally did that. That zapped the fun right out of the game that no amount of graphics can put back in. I'll demo KZ3, but one Killzone title is probably enough for me.

@mrandydixon

I think you need to look at the bigger picture. You think Guerrilla Games needs to listen to you (which wouldn't be such a bad thing, since you're not one the mindless complainers I was referring to). However I didn't have any problems with the controls, in fact, I like them. So if they'd listen to you, they could ruin the game for me. Then it's my turn to complain and they will have to listen to me. Do that with the owners of all the 2.21m copies sold and hell will break loose. And I'm not even talking about the people who haven't even touched, seen or played the game but still are complaining.

That's what I meant with my comment. A game will never ever be 100% suited to your personal taste. Gamers nowadays are complaining about everything. Even though the game in question got a damn solid score. Let's say a 9 which Dtoid gave it if I recall correctly. Gamers will keep complaining about the 1 point it didn't get. That one point might be the thing you want Guerrilla Games to change. We can stick to talking about that and whine away OR we would talk about the other 9 points it got.

I'm not talking about being critical. Everybody can have their opinion on something but when stating an opinions people should keep in mind that there are also other opinions. Saying "I would love to have some more controller customization options" is something completely different than "Fix the controls, they suck". The latter happens too often nowadays. People think they're the only one who play a certain game and therefore devs should listen to them and them alone.

Sure, if you don't like the game you should let your wallet speak. Nobody is forcing you to buy the game, just as nobody is forcing you to like the game. You can even check it out beforehand. The Demo had the exact same controls as the full game (well, before they patched in even more customization options that is). So saying you've got the right to complain because you paid 60 bucks sounds weird to me.

And to be honest, I changed the controls to match all my other FPS's because there are controller customization options in Killzone 2.

Well, none of this is mandatory, so as long as it's just supporting them, giving you the option of choosing the lesser of 2 evil, I'm fine with it. If the PMC works well, then great, if not you can always play with a regular controller. No harm done

@Mrandydixon

Thanks, yeah, I do agree that would be rather nice.