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Rumor: Gamespot fires editor to appease Eidos: W.R. Hearst rolls in grave
Nex11.29.08 - 10:05 PM 222 comments

Rumor: Gamespot fires editor to appease Eidos: W.R. Hearst rolls in grave screenshot

Ladies and gentlemen, I would advise you to all to duck as there will almost certainly be a large amount of splatter coming from every fan near you as a result of the news I have to share.

Primotech has a story up claiming insider information regarding the firing of Gamespot reviewer Jeff Gerstmann. Mr. Gerstmann recently awarded Eidos' Kane & Lynch: Dead Men a 6.0 score while Eidos was pumping a large amount of advertising cash into Gamespot, and shockingly this pissed off some of the higher-ups. In a much less sarcastic instance of the word "shocking" instead of merely admonishing him -- which would have been unethical in its own right -- the powers that be fired Mr. Gerstmann (and may have slapped his wife). Here's a quote from Primotech:

According to a fellow Gamespot contributor and close friend of Gerstmann who wished to remain anonymous, the editor was fired Wednesday morning because of his negative review of the game, which he awarded a 6.0.

While there is no official confirmation on this issue, it's unlikely that Gamespot is going to publicly admit they canned a reviewer for honesty based on advertiser pressure. Though, if they do I'd be willing to bet that they themselves would be sacked moments later. That move, of course, will go without any public comment for fear of further commentary causing even more sacking, and the endless cycle of Pythonian sacking jokes that would inevitably ensue.

(Side Note: This upcoming Penny Arcade comic is either strikingly prescient or strikingly something else smart-sounding that means whatever I'm trying to say. -- Nex) 

[UPDATE: Don't trust me or Primotech? How about Penny Arcade's Gabriel Whateverhislastnameis? Comment #18, if you're inclined. Props to power-glove for pointing this thread out. -- Neximo]

[UPDATE DEUX: Thanks to tehuberone, here's a link to the Youtube of the now-removed video review Mr. Gerstmann created for Kane & Lynch. -- Tyrannosaurus Nex] 

[UPDATE TROIS: Thanks to topgeargorilla and Vegas, there's also word that Gamespot editor Tim Tracy is leaving the site as well. Is it related? Will Greg Oden help the Blazer's playoff hopes? Who shot J.R.? More news as it becomes available. -- Oedipus Nex] 

Now please start a firestorm of public outcry in the comments or Niero might fire me to appease whoever the hell it is that funds this place. 

[Publisher's Note: Nex, you're promoted!  I hereby crown you as our new senior editor of news about Gamespot, but only on the condition that you say nice things.  On a serious note, Jeff was at GS for ten years and has the reviewer's portfolio equivalent of War and Peace -- this is a pretty big deal. I cannot wait to see the tapdance their PR people are brewing up tonight.  In the meantime, check out Destructoid's Kane and Lynch review -- proudly unfiltered.

Ron also informed me that he's supposed to represent them at the Spike TV awards... so next week should be interesting. Nex, Destructoid is funded on my hopes, dreams, and tall deck of credit cards so nobody is going to get fired here for speaking their mind. Linde does reserve the right to stab you, though. -Niero]

[FURTHER UPDATERY: It seems like more info comes to light by the minute and according to a piece by Wired's Susan "Voice of Reason" Arendt things may not be as the Internet assumes. Here's a quote from a Gamespot insider:

The ads went up and the Eidos brouhaha was settled over two weeks ago. Jeff got fired yesterday. Furthermore, I'd heard a few people tell that he'd already been skating on thin ice for "unprofessional reviews and review practices." I don't know much about that, though, so I can't say one way or the other. My gut tells me that he got canned for larger reasons.

I suppose we won't really know what happened until Mr. Gerstmann himself settles the rumors, but at this point the cat is out of the bag, running around the living room and clawing the hell out of Eidos' leg, regardless of whether the cat is an invention of conspiracy theorists or not. -- Reality Nex]

(Photo courtesy of The Lonestranger Network



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okfoxtrot's Avatar
okfoxtrot at 11/29/2007 22:04

Fuckin' crazy
power-glove's Avatar
power-glove at 11/29/2007 22:04

http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?p=3689682#post3689682
Read Comment 18
Gabe says its true.
Teta's Avatar
Teta at 11/29/2007 22:04

Poor fat guy.
Aerox's Avatar
Aerox at 11/29/2007 22:04

I AM SO OUTRAGED
Nex's Avatar
Nex at 11/29/2007 22:05

Dammit p-g! I just updated with a note saying that and giving you props for pointing it out in your blog! Redundancy!!!!!
Spykron's Avatar
Spykron at 11/29/2007 22:06

he reminds me of butternut jelly. and if this is true, then we are living in epic times.
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Y0j1mb0 at 11/29/2007 22:08

Has it come to this for game journalists? If it has then this is a telling tale of how reviews in general are not just beyond suspect but practically a glorified PR Spinned Advertisement for the highest bidder.
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power-glove at 11/29/2007 22:08

My comment was done before the update Nex
Sorry about that
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liam2015 at 11/29/2007 22:10

This makes me angry to a degree where I want to promote an independent gamng blog website, full of great editors, interesting bloggers, and FUN. And best of all, it's totally free! So join up today, an express your rage!







...Please
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BahamutZero at 11/29/2007 22:11

I thought you guys were funded by that whole hobo-murder insurance fraud thing. Or was I not supposed to mention that...? shit. Ron's gonna kill me.
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Bulrog at 11/29/2007 22:13

I just saw this on the gamespot forums. Its bullshit that the guy gets fired for giving his own opinion on a game. I mean gamerankings has given Kane and Lynch an average in the the upper 60's so he wasn't that far off from the norm. Now I can't take gamespot seriously anymore lol. Sucks though to see this in the industry.

Side note though I never really though Gerstman was a good reviewer.
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timtheterrible at 11/29/2007 22:13

6.0 for that game was nothing out of the ordinary. This is strange. I wonder why he seems unable to talk about the matter, as Jeff himself would probably be the best one to clear this all up. Oh, and the denizens of the Gamespot forums seem to be cancelling subscriptions in droves http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/kanelynchdeadmen/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-39859258&pid=934403
whilst Gamedespot[sic] thinks they can quell the fires by locking all Jeff related threads http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_topics.php?board_id=314159282&page=2.
This is shaping up to be a cat 5 shit storm.
liam2015's Avatar
liam2015 at 11/29/2007 22:14

Did I forget to mention how hobos are a useless nuisance, and if you find any dead bodies, just ignore and go about your day, blogging and what not? Just a reminder.
BahamutZero's Avatar
BahamutZero at 11/29/2007 22:14

OK let's all go invade gamespot and tell them to join dtoid. ready.... BREAK
BahamutZero's Avatar
BahamutZero at 11/29/2007 22:15

OK let's all go invade gamespot and tell them to join dtoid. ready.... BREAK
taumpytears's Avatar
taumpytears at 11/29/2007 22:17

We should take all their best members like some kind of community vampire.
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Jim Sterling at 11/29/2007 22:18

I'd say it's a sad time for games journalism, but honestly? No, it's a GREAT time for games blogging, is what it is.

We're the only fuckers worth listening to.
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GonzoJoe at 11/29/2007 22:18

Sad but unsurprising...

An unprecedented number of "10s" being handed out by top magazines... I love, and I mean LOVE Mass Effect and Bioshock, but reading most of the reviews for these games has been like reading glorified press releases.

I think games are suffering from the stigma of being a province of the young, and I honestly think larger media thinks that the gamer audience is naive enough to buy reviews that blatantly shirk all kinds of journalistic integrity.

I've kept my subscription to these magazines because they're good reading on the crapper. But now I think I'll be using them for other paper related purposes while in the john.

And now Gamespot... Et Tu, CNet?
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robotplague at 11/29/2007 22:19

Holy fuck...If this is true I really, really wish Gerstmann the best of luck with whatever else he decides to do. Wasn't he pretty high up the totem poll over there? I know he's been there for a long time. This is going to create a CRAZY amount of backlash at Gamespot of this is true as well. I'm super interested to hear the official word on this story.
Foshi's Avatar
Foshi at 11/29/2007 22:19

WTF! He was like the fucking boss at GameSpot. He had been there eleven years now and they can him after that. GameSpot has always been my favorite professional review source but if this is true then I am out. Come to think of it he was mysteriously absent from the Tuesday podcast The HotSpot. Hmm.
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Racoon at 11/29/2007 22:19

Poor Gerstmann, was a good reviewer as far as I'm concerned, but more importantly you could really tell he was a hardcore gamer who knew his shit on the podcasts. Whether or not you agree with his review scores, at least give him some credit for putting his head on the chopping block instead of sacrificing journalistic integrity.God knows this industry needs a bit more of that.
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Quisling at 11/29/2007 22:19

This is bullshit. Then again, so is life. I suppose we'll all have to deal with it.

Oh yeah, plus boycott gamespot, but does that really need to be said here on the green robot? They are already full of fail, this is just the fart-stained icing on the shit-soaked cake.
power-glove's Avatar
power-glove at 11/29/2007 22:20

Here is the video review for this game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FuJ81sDR2o
This video review was pulled off of the site
UNDERSTAR's Avatar
UNDERSTAR at 11/29/2007 22:22

I didnt like the fat fuck to start with. Whos with me?
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comradetrotskii at 11/29/2007 22:22

Maybe Destructoid should hire this 'shamed' writer giving him the opportunity to say what he wants to without fear of corporate overlords. After doing this he would of course gain an army rabid fanboy lovers who hung on his every word and an equally vocal amount of people who hate him all over the place.

Eventually of course he would leave to 'do his thing' and call you all cunts and a shitstorm of violence would ensue.

That would be swell.
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emotaku at 11/29/2007 22:22

FAIL GAMESPOT
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brosef at 11/29/2007 22:22

So, just to be clear...Reverend Anthony is not fired?

Hooray independent website reviewers of the world!!!!1!!1!
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Bulrog at 11/29/2007 22:23

@ Foshi

Yeah I really liked Gamespot's reviews because they were really strict.
wardrox's Avatar
wardrox at 11/29/2007 22:23

Dtoid gets a new editor?
Grim's Avatar
Grim at 11/29/2007 22:24

http://forums.eidosgames.com/forumdisplay.php?f=72

Hilarity ensues.
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micropizzle at 11/29/2007 22:26

GAMESPOT BLOWS.
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timtheterrible at 11/29/2007 22:27

@ Wardox

God, I hope not.
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BahamutZero at 11/29/2007 22:27

LOL @ TROTSKII

ouch
Lightthrower's Avatar
Lightthrower at 11/29/2007 22:29

Oh god this is big, Gamespot are as good as dead.
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BahamutZero at 11/29/2007 22:30

also grim I have never laughed so hard in my life. the hits keep on coming.

god I love destructoid.
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UNDERSTAR at 11/29/2007 22:31

@Grim - Looks like a soccer riot on teh 1nt3r37!!!
power-glove's Avatar
power-glove at 11/29/2007 22:31

Grim, that was awesome.
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Lightthrower at 11/29/2007 22:31

Oh god the Eidos forums are burning!!!
The-Excel's Avatar
The-Excel at 11/29/2007 22:31

What the consensus said.
rbrooks's Avatar
rbrooks at 11/29/2007 22:33

WOW, THIS IS FUCKIN RETARDED...HE WAS THE ONE EDITOR THAT I RESPECTED HIS REVIEWS...I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS. HIS REVIEWS WERE HONEST AND ALWAYS WERE RIGHT.
rbrooks's Avatar
rbrooks at 11/29/2007 22:33

WOW, THIS IS FUCKIN RETARDED...HE WAS THE ONE EDITOR THAT I RESPECTED HIS REVIEWS...I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS. HIS REVIEWS WERE HONEST AND ALWAYS WERE RIGHT.
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GuitarAtomik at 11/29/2007 22:35

I never really agreed with his reviews (except for TP) but this is crazy. How does Gamespot expect to get away with this unscathed?
greks224's Avatar
greks224 at 11/29/2007 22:38

He probably should have given it an even lower rating than 6, especially considering the consistently negative attitude towards every aspect of the game in his video review.
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Clockwork at 11/29/2007 22:39

I came to understand why I never agreed with his reviews and never bothered to pay attention to them. He would have an opinion of the game before it even came out, he'd say things like, "The framerate looks terrible" and hadn't even played the game yet. He would only like the game if he was actually good at it and understood its concept. While I recently began to hate him, I think this is bullshit that he got fired for having an opinion. 1984 bitches.

The only reviewer I pay attention to is Alex Navarro.
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BluFire at 11/29/2007 22:42

Grim: that's fucking hilarious. everyone needs to see this.
Anyway...
What... the FUCK.
Seriously, I cannot fucking believe that this is happening. I never really liked Jeff Gertsmann, but I don't think that his job should be compromised because he stated his own personal opinion. I hope whoever started this gets fucked up, because now Gamespot has entirely RUINED any kind of trust that I had in them as a gaming journalism site. If shit like this is going on, I don't even know why these fucking sites exist. I hope CNET fucks over whoever fired this guy, because they fucking deserve.
What's even the fucking point of these review sites when you have blogs? Originally I treated them as generic gaming news sources and critics, but I don't even know what the fuck they are. Thank Jesus that there are people who say whatever the fuck they want and don't get fired. I'm not talking about any other blog (Summa, joystiq), I'm talking about Dtoid only.
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rbrooks at 11/29/2007 22:44

@Clockwork "The framerate looks terrible"

me and jeff have the same taste in games... and i can't stand playing a game with fps problems. I don't care about graphics, i care about the fps and the gameplay.
rbrooks's Avatar
rbrooks at 11/29/2007 22:44

@Clockwork "The framerate looks terrible"

me and jeff have the same taste in games... and i can't stand playing a game with fps problems. I don't care about graphics, i care about the fps and the gameplay.
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xmetninjax at 11/29/2007 22:48

GS was my favorite big games site because they always tended to give the lowest scoring, most critical reviews. Not anymore.
Foshi's Avatar
Foshi at 11/29/2007 22:50

Jeff was easily one of the best reviewers on the site. Right behind Greg before his leave earlier this year. It's just so hard to believe this. I actually had respect for GameSpot, now it all comes crashing down in one fell swoop.
Teta's Avatar
Teta at 11/29/2007 22:59

After watching the Eidos forums from Grimīs post i must say i love the internets.
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emotaku at 11/29/2007 22:59

Eidos forums not letting me join in on the fun ]:
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SourGr8pes at 11/29/2007 23:01

Could this be the first of many incidents? Hmm, I think we might see some these "professional" sites start to topple.

All hail the green robot and the freedom of opinion!
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Harkonnen at 11/29/2007 23:02

I would be caught dead saying that I don't trust the news source, because that's out of the question. What I don't see, however, is what Gamespot or Eidos would win by firing a long-term editor over a review for not being brown-nosey enough? It's bound to cause trouble to Gamespot and to upset the community.

So, I am reluctant to believe that the actual story is as "simple" as that.

Also, can you disclose the amount offered by Ubi for Rev's head? :P
slymcbeans's Avatar
slymcbeans at 11/29/2007 23:02

Even if you didn't care for his reviews, what happened is just wrong, take a few seconds of your time to give some support

http://www.petitiononline.com/GAMEJEFF/petition.html
Hellbender's Avatar
Hellbender at 11/29/2007 23:03

goddamn. goddamngoddamn. Gamespot is really what interested me in games in the first place, along with actually playing them. it made me see gaming culture thriving. now i see them as whores.

thanks for killing my childhood, GS. bastards
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topFAPgearFAPgorillaFAP at 11/29/2007 23:06

Wow, and I've met the guy before.

That sucks a lot.
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Shin Oni at 11/29/2007 23:07

Awesome. Someone should ban me of free speech because I hated some games that they expected me to buy.

the world just gets dummier and dummier. So you fire the guy for having his opinion on the game? I mean, it's not his fault he decided to be truthful. Don't take the anger out on him just cause they game Gamespot so much money.

Then again, Gamespot are the idiots who gave Super Paper Mario such a low score...cause it didn't seem to appeal to all? what kind of BS excuse is that?
Harkonnen's Avatar
Harkonnen at 11/29/2007 23:08

@slymcbeans:

That petition you are linking over there says some "Mr. Gursman" was fired due to giving a bad review to some "Edios" game. If we want to sign online petitions like if it was 2005 it is fine by me, I will be first there, but let's just not sign something that makes us seem plain down retards.
rbrooks's Avatar
rbrooks at 11/29/2007 23:12

If we want to really make a difference stop going to gamespot.
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Lord_Satorious at 11/29/2007 23:14

First Greg Kasavin leaves, then Rich Gallup, and now Jeff Gerstmann is gone. Who's left at GameSpot that I actually like? There's Alex Navarro who's pretty cool, and Kevin VanOrd who I think is new but seems decent enough. Jeez, the higher ups at GameSpot (and I thought Jeff was pretty high already) should have told Eidos to go screw themselves, them and their shitty video games.
Upgrayedd's Avatar
Upgrayedd at 11/29/2007 23:15

I'm wanting to get into video game journalism (not just bull-shitting, actually majoring in news-editorial journalism) and stuff like this is both frightening and infuriating to me.

I just hope that when I'm looking for work (in addition to actually finding a super awesome gaming journalism job) that the higher ups have something that at least resembles dignity or ethics.
007's Avatar
007 at 11/29/2007 23:16

hey, guys, did you hear the news? Jeff Gerstmann was fired from Gamespot.com .
Corak's Avatar
Corak at 11/29/2007 23:17

If this is in fact true, and it sounds almost certian, this is a very dark day indeed. I do go their site occasionally, and most times their reviews were very close to what I thought of the games I've played. Before I migrated over here their reviews were sometimes the deciding factor on whether I would buy a game or not, and Jeff was a favorite reviewer of mine. I never bought a game purely on their reviews though. The past few days I did notice that Kayne and Lynch background on their site a lot.

To fire a reviewer who had an average opinion of one of their sponsors games is really wrong, and I wonder how much this stuff goes on with these kinds of sites, present company excluded. If a big company sponsors your site would you give a biased review if it meant them giving you more money? This just smacks of pure shit. I wish Jeff the best and I give a huge middle finger to gamespot. Shame on you gamespot, fucking shame on you.
Orionsaint's Avatar
Orionsaint at 11/29/2007 23:17

Hilary Goldstein you're NEXT! For your negative review of Assassin's Creed. How dare you give it a lame score! J/K hehe.
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Lukich at 11/29/2007 23:17

RAWR!! PUBLIC OUTCRY!! BURN GS AT THE STAKE!!
Lightthrower's Avatar
Lightthrower at 11/29/2007 23:19

@Upgrayedd That's rare these days, honest journalism, just check FoxNews.
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F Whipple at 11/29/2007 23:19

This is absolutely ridiculous. I can't wait to see what kind of rabble is roused after this
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topFAPgearFAPgorillaFAP at 11/29/2007 23:22

you know what this is called? Payola.

Radio DJs in the past have been paid to promote music, and this is a hugely dissappointing example in the games industry.

Boo.
Lightthrower's Avatar
Lightthrower at 11/29/2007 23:22

Lol OMG "That username is already in use. If you are EIDOS_SUCKSSS and you have forgotten your password, click here." When i wanted to register at the Eidos forums.
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Upgrayedd at 11/29/2007 23:23

Also, does this ring a bell:




This case is a bit more extreme, but it's not unheard of.
Orionsaint's Avatar
Orionsaint at 11/29/2007 23:23

What kind of message does this send out? Yeah all you game critics BEWARE give positive game reviews from now on. Especially to those big games. The ones that a big company paid millions to promote. Remember if you don't. It can cost you your JOB!
007's Avatar
007 at 11/29/2007 23:24

bitches will be chocked due to the outrage this causes.
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taumpytears at 11/29/2007 23:26

Good for Eidos! At least they got something done.
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Twinkiemeaphore at 11/29/2007 23:27

I'm done with Gamespot after this crap. Gerstmann was one of the only reasons I subscribed to their podcasts and his reviews were fun to read. Now I'm bummed out.
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Ed Cetera at 11/29/2007 23:31

Well, of course you have to realize that this means war.
007's Avatar
007 at 11/29/2007 23:31

wow, there is some SERIOUS shit going down in the Gamespot forums. just got done reading about 10 topics saying how much gamespot sucks now.
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Lightthrower at 11/29/2007 23:32

Pwahahahaha one of the mods said that yesterday:

"There could never be flames here at Eidos about their many wonderful and different games.

We are a big happy family, and most fans here play in more than one game sandbox.

***And besides, any flaming is frowned upon by the membership and administration. "

He just got owned so much since his forum is burning!
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Nefilim at 11/29/2007 23:33

What the fuck!? Gerstmann was the only reason I went to Gamespot!
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Origim at 11/29/2007 23:38

I already hated most of the major networks this just add's to the rage. This will not end well for Game Snot.
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Sinnix at 11/29/2007 23:39

Game reviewer gives bad game a bad score, gets fired. I'm not really sure who sucks more, Gamespot for acting or Eidos for bitching about it. Wait, let me rephrase... they both suck ass.

Eidos. You make shitty games, you're no longer a