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While I'm mad about Doom 4 being delayed indefinitely, you'd be a fool if you thought Rage's launch didn't do any damage to id's reputation. Frankly, I can't be sure they won't cock up Doom 4 now, which is a pretty sad state of affairs.
Jesus fucking christ, seriously? One minor misstep from the fucking FATHER of the shooter (and in fact, I actually quite liked Rage) and Bethesda is pulling the plug on them?
I mean for fuck's sake, Rage's problem was that it was id trying to be something it's not. Good on them for trying, it just wasn't their thing, and yet it was still an enjoyable game. Doom, on the other hand, is exactly what id is best at and what made them my personal favorite developer of all time. How the fuck do you just push a Doom sequel aside like that?
Angry Tristrix is angry. I mad, bro.
I mean for fuck's sake, Rage's problem was that it was id trying to be something it's not. Good on them for trying, it just wasn't their thing, and yet it was still an enjoyable game. Doom, on the other hand, is exactly what id is best at and what made them my personal favorite developer of all time. How the fuck do you just push a Doom sequel aside like that?
Angry Tristrix is angry. I mad, bro.
Aw, come on! First you create a hype, then you launch a really good game (because RAGE really is a good game considering all it's elements) but then you fuck up with it's optimisation and people get pissed off because they basically got an unfinished product. Next step, blame those people that they "don't get you", cut your wrists in the meantime and then "indefinetely postpone" something that people have been looking forward to. Genius economics at play. Way to go id Software, bunch of infantile cretins.
can't say id didn't at least somewhat deserve this.
considering that bethesda can make pretty direct comparisons between rage and their in house projects (no getting around it, rage pretty much WAS a stripped down fallout game) i'm not surprised they are being examined closely.
what does surprise me is that they chose to delay production of doom 4. it's a guaranteed slam dunk, just like DNF was, and even if id is slipping it surely won't be as shitty as that. here's hoping they go in and get this straightened out quickly.
considering that bethesda can make pretty direct comparisons between rage and their in house projects (no getting around it, rage pretty much WAS a stripped down fallout game) i'm not surprised they are being examined closely.
what does surprise me is that they chose to delay production of doom 4. it's a guaranteed slam dunk, just like DNF was, and even if id is slipping it surely won't be as shitty as that. here's hoping they go in and get this straightened out quickly.
Playing Rage right now, I like it. But this reminds me I gotta play DOOM 3, I got installed on my laptop.
No DOOM 4? Bethesda what the fuck are you even thinking? id Software made its reputation around DOOM, and taking that title and putting it to the side just because Rage didn't live up to everyone's expectations?
The hell are reviews for anyway now? You get good and bad criticisms and then reflect on those negative parts of the reviews to make sure you can improve on the parts that were lacking. Don't just pull the plug just like that on such a popular franchise.
But, rumors are rumors. If this is somehow true in anyway...FUCK Bethesda.
The hell are reviews for anyway now? You get good and bad criticisms and then reflect on those negative parts of the reviews to make sure you can improve on the parts that were lacking. Don't just pull the plug just like that on such a popular franchise.
But, rumors are rumors. If this is somehow true in anyway...FUCK Bethesda.
We need John Romero to solve this problem.
Imagine, a real Doom 2 sequel, or a real Quake 1 sequel (imo, Quake 2 sucks, well is not that bad, but compared to the first one...)
But now, he's busy making facebook games.
Imagine, a real Doom 2 sequel, or a real Quake 1 sequel (imo, Quake 2 sucks, well is not that bad, but compared to the first one...)
But now, he's busy making facebook games.
We need John Romero to solve this problem.
Imagine, a real Doom 2 sequel, or a real Quake 1 sequel (imo, Quake 2 sucks, well is not that bad, but compared to the first one...)
But now, he's busy making facebook games.
Imagine, a real Doom 2 sequel, or a real Quake 1 sequel (imo, Quake 2 sucks, well is not that bad, but compared to the first one...)
But now, he's busy making facebook games.
Further proof that multiplayer means something, and no dirt racing doesn't count. Unless it has a story that is somewhat on par with Mass Effect, Deus Ex or LA Noire I don't understand how a shooter can ship without at least co-op or a horde mode. I LOVE single player games but I think id really dropped the ball on this one. Bioshock wasn't the best shooter but everyone will always remember and talk about the story.
It's okay. It's not true.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/10/21/damnation-doom-4-delayed-indefinitely/
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/10/21/damnation-doom-4-delayed-indefinitely/
While Doom3 and Quake4 were OK games, they were wet farts in comparison to the explosive hype behind them. ID hasn't been good since the original team behind Doom and Quake went; without the disparate opinions that drove those games' design you end up with QuakeII+, boring and samey gameplay.
I'd love a Doom 4 but I'd really consider Doom 3 the game that caused the public to lose faith in id, not just Rage.
Bethesda has said it's "complete bollocks"
https://twitter.com/#!/DCDeacon/status/127362822731599872
https://twitter.com/#!/DCDeacon/status/127362822731599872
All the optimisation issues definitely mean I wont be jumping on Doom 4 at release....
With Doom 3 they had such a great game and engine that I actually finished the game with a computer below its minimum requirements and still had a smooth experience. I could see Bethesda´s point a bit but at the same time I wonder if it wasn´t Bethesda´s influence that made ID release a unfinished game on pc...
With a studio like ID that takes its time 1 bad experience with their big games can have a lot of influence in your trust. Yes I want them to succeed with their next game but I will definitely want them to know this was not cool.
With Doom 3 they had such a great game and engine that I actually finished the game with a computer below its minimum requirements and still had a smooth experience. I could see Bethesda´s point a bit but at the same time I wonder if it wasn´t Bethesda´s influence that made ID release a unfinished game on pc...
With a studio like ID that takes its time 1 bad experience with their big games can have a lot of influence in your trust. Yes I want them to succeed with their next game but I will definitely want them to know this was not cool.
(if the rumours are true)
Oh come on Bethesda! A (good) Doom 4 is just what Id needs to make if RAGE didnt sell well.
This would make as much sense as Zenimax putting Elder Scrolls on hold due to Hunted
Oh come on Bethesda! A (good) Doom 4 is just what Id needs to make if RAGE didnt sell well.
This would make as much sense as Zenimax putting Elder Scrolls on hold due to Hunted
Well, good. I had a feeling something like this wouldn't be true. Trolls, man. Trolls. Capitalizing on the fact that RAGE had a lukewarm reception. I think the game is excellent, personally. With as much as I want to just jump into Arkham City, RAGE has at least kept me drawn in enough to not want to put it down and be the goddamn Batman just yet.
Really wish they hadn't made Rage given how it turned out. I would love another doom, whether it were closer to old-school doom or doom 3 I wouldn't care. I just want to shoot demons with shotguns darn it.
I think this is a big mistake if it's true. Doom has incredible name recognition for one. Also, Doom 1 and 2 had some of the best co-op fun around. If you could replicated the scale and number of enemies, etc.. you could definetly have an amazing game.
I thought Rage was a better game than Killzone 3 in most respects. I can't say I agree with Tom Chick much on any topic. I'm not sure who he writes his reviews for.
That said, Bethesda, beyond the (buggy but enthralling)Fallout and Elder Scrolls IP's, has a pretty shitty/iffy/rump lineup all around.
Star trek Legacy, Wet, Hunted the Demon's Forge, and Brink make Rage look comparatively AWESOME. So messing with Rage and id is not a bright move, even with Skyrim, and Prey 2 on the way. Also, I think the Scrolls and Fallout MMO lawsuits combine with this rumor to make Bethesda Softworks look like a publishing company run by a bunch of clueless assholes.
That said, Bethesda, beyond the (buggy but enthralling)Fallout and Elder Scrolls IP's, has a pretty shitty/iffy/rump lineup all around.
Star trek Legacy, Wet, Hunted the Demon's Forge, and Brink make Rage look comparatively AWESOME. So messing with Rage and id is not a bright move, even with Skyrim, and Prey 2 on the way. Also, I think the Scrolls and Fallout MMO lawsuits combine with this rumor to make Bethesda Softworks look like a publishing company run by a bunch of clueless assholes.
Their management is kind of fucked up if you think about it, a 7 year development cycle for a game that had serious problems at launch? A 7 year cycle meant they probably needed to sell like at least 2 million at launch my understanding is that they have yet to break 1 million yet. id Software is stuck in a bad old development model that really needs to be tweaked and I don't blame Bethesda for putting the brakes on Doom 4 for now.
Bethesda Softworks:
Star Trek Legacy - 64 metacritic
Wet - 69
Hunted the Demon's Soul 61
Brink 68-70
Rage - 79-83 with predominantly positive scores and one negative
yeah. Rage is CLEARLY the problem here. What was iD thinking?
Star Trek Legacy - 64 metacritic
Wet - 69
Hunted the Demon's Soul 61
Brink 68-70
Rage - 79-83 with predominantly positive scores and one negative
yeah. Rage is CLEARLY the problem here. What was iD thinking?
iD already has an engine, a 30 FPS target, and some preproduction work done. How is delaying Doom 4 helping anything at this point?
"a serious lack of confidence in the project management at id." Says the company the published Wet, Brink and Rogue Warrior.
Pete Hines says that the rumors are nothing but crap.
"Complete bollocks."
http://twitter.com/#!/DCDeacon/status/127362822731599872
"Re: DOOM 4 rumor, games are done when they are done and no title under development at id has been postponed – indefinitely or otherwise."
http://twitter.com/#!/DCDeacon/status/127376777755635712
"Complete bollocks."
http://twitter.com/#!/DCDeacon/status/127362822731599872
"Re: DOOM 4 rumor, games are done when they are done and no title under development at id has been postponed – indefinitely or otherwise."
http://twitter.com/#!/DCDeacon/status/127376777755635712
I don't think Rage damaged id's reputation, it was par for the course for them to put out a bug-ridden PC release. It always takes a patch or 3 before they get their engines working right. The only thing that hurt their reputation was trying to pass the blame on drivers and dumping a console port on the PC community. I still want to play Rage, but will not be spending $50-$60 to do so. I learned that lesson from Doom3. Sadly, with id's reputation for buggy engines, they are the worst possible developer to be making console games.
Sadly, with id's reputation for buggy engines, they are the worst possible developer to be making console games.
Uh huh. Tell that to Obsidian, Silicon Knights, Splash Damage, Rebellion, and Bethesda themselves.
Uh huh. Tell that to Obsidian, Silicon Knights, Splash Damage, Rebellion, and Bethesda themselves.
wait wait wait... a metascore of 81 is considered MIXED these days? GOD DAMN! Do developers need to produce fucking masterpieces that shine happiness and love from every orifice to be considered "good"?
i thought we were under the impression that 8/10 meant "good", Jim, because you've been working VERY hard to impress that upon us, and yet you say that means "mixed" when it comes down to an average.
i thought we were under the impression that 8/10 meant "good", Jim, because you've been working VERY hard to impress that upon us, and yet you say that means "mixed" when it comes down to an average.
Rage was a bit of a let down for me which is a shame but here's to hoping their next game knocks it out of the park.
This would be ridiculous if it was true.
So they have just developed a brand new and beautiful engine and they'll delay the one game that will almost certainly sell through the roof? Bullshit. If anything Rage 2 should be on indefinite hold.
I haven't played it yet and despite all the criticism it looks like a fun game.
So they have just developed a brand new and beautiful engine and they'll delay the one game that will almost certainly sell through the roof? Bullshit. If anything Rage 2 should be on indefinite hold.
I haven't played it yet and despite all the criticism it looks like a fun game.
id fucked up pretty gloriously with Rage, I'm just so glad Steam Support were kind enough to refund me for the game in Steam Wallet cash, and because I've nothing else better to do here's a list of how id dun goofed in my eyes:
-Shipped a game with features that met the bare minimum requirements for a game, yet outside of the "dungeons" the game was more feature-barren than the wasteland it was set in.
-Focusing too heavily on consoles, where PCs and their rabidly loyal PC gaming community should have been given the royal ride.
-PC version was a buggy piece of shit that was basically kicked out into the cold with its pants down and its chode all blurred, how in the fuck do you develop on a game with as much content as Rage for 5+ years, even get a delay on the release to do "bug fixing" and yet launch with that buggy piece of shit? Sure Techland accidentally released Dead Island as the devbuild on pc and not only were they honest about it but they made good on making things better with their pc customers (plus hey, the game was more FUN).
-Through all this basically flipped a big "fuck you" to their PC fanbase aka the people who've supported their efforts for the past 20 years and how Carmack went on to bitch how PC isn't the market leader no more blah blah blah and basically, if id made Rage a great game for the PC, it'd be a great game across all platforms (see Doom 3 on PC, then Xbox version).
Simply put, fuck you Carmack, and fuck you id, I'm gonna go play Street Fighter with the money I got back!
-Shipped a game with features that met the bare minimum requirements for a game, yet outside of the "dungeons" the game was more feature-barren than the wasteland it was set in.
-Focusing too heavily on consoles, where PCs and their rabidly loyal PC gaming community should have been given the royal ride.
-PC version was a buggy piece of shit that was basically kicked out into the cold with its pants down and its chode all blurred, how in the fuck do you develop on a game with as much content as Rage for 5+ years, even get a delay on the release to do "bug fixing" and yet launch with that buggy piece of shit? Sure Techland accidentally released Dead Island as the devbuild on pc and not only were they honest about it but they made good on making things better with their pc customers (plus hey, the game was more FUN).
-Through all this basically flipped a big "fuck you" to their PC fanbase aka the people who've supported their efforts for the past 20 years and how Carmack went on to bitch how PC isn't the market leader no more blah blah blah and basically, if id made Rage a great game for the PC, it'd be a great game across all platforms (see Doom 3 on PC, then Xbox version).
Simply put, fuck you Carmack, and fuck you id, I'm gonna go play Street Fighter with the money I got back!
The folks ID are smart people but just cause your smart docent mean you know how to tell a fucking story.The end of rage is literately 4 monster closets with a count down timer.After i finished the game i couldn't help but feel i just played a game with no less then 1/3 of yanked out of it for god no what reason.
Personally i hope zenimax Sadles ID with a producer and director that can reign these guys in and help them make a acctual quality product instead of another carmack tech piece.But then again i bootlegging doom 4 when/if it comes out after paying 60 bucks for rage on steam.
Personally i hope zenimax Sadles ID with a producer and director that can reign these guys in and help them make a acctual quality product instead of another carmack tech piece.But then again i bootlegging doom 4 when/if it comes out after paying 60 bucks for rage on steam.
This was seriously the least believable rumor ever.
Bethesda being upset over someone releasing a buggy game? It RAN, that's an improvement over their norm.
Bethesda being upset over someone releasing a buggy game? It RAN, that's an improvement over their norm.
LOL who would postpond doom? XD
I'm playing rage now and i like it. I dissagree that it doesn't feel like ID game because it does. The whole combat gameplay is perfectly ballanced with this dose of something id unique. I'm finding rage way more enjoyable then doom 3 was. I do wish that the story would be there instead of plot elements only and that those parts are extremaly boring after a while. But action is great.
I'm playing rage now and i like it. I dissagree that it doesn't feel like ID game because it does. The whole combat gameplay is perfectly ballanced with this dose of something id unique. I'm finding rage way more enjoyable then doom 3 was. I do wish that the story would be there instead of plot elements only and that those parts are extremaly boring after a while. But action is great.
Heres my take: id hasn't don't anything big in a while. They're rusty and maybe a little out of touch. And thats fine, it happens.
Just like I said with Gearbox and the Duke Nukem series, I'm willing to give id another shot at making something and getting the kinks out. But if that sucks then I'm not bothering to be excited about their games any more
Just like I said with Gearbox and the Duke Nukem series, I'm willing to give id another shot at making something and getting the kinks out. But if that sucks then I'm not bothering to be excited about their games any more
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