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Or maybe you'd be inclined to agree with this to support your own views on the game. Sounds to me like drivel from an online troll, but then I don't believe everything I read on the net, which is a good job as if I listened to your reviews I'd have missed out on some decent games in the last twelve months and bought tha shambles that is deadly premonition.
I find it funny that this is just more proof that Jim Sterling is a attention seeking whore. But that's why I love him <3
I would've loved a well done Aliens RPG, that world is begging for something deeper than another action/shooter.
I sure hope Fallout: new Vegas turns out good.
I sure hope Fallout: new Vegas turns out good.
Jesus Jim. Give stemot a break. A lot of your reviews and opinions court controversy, and people will disagree with your point of view. It's your style and I personally find it refreshing to have a different take from most other reviewers. There is no reason to be slamming stemot for disagreeing with you, especially when he seems to have a very good point about the post you republished here.
That's an excuse, they should just admit that they fucked up, because all I see here is shit like "Sega made us do it, our lead designer is an asshole, if we could finish Aliens RPG it would've been a great game'. I doubt Obsidian can make a good AAA game from scratch, they should just go for less pretentious project. I'd rather see a smaller but awesome game instead of big pile of shit.
"Jesus Jim. Give stemot a break."
You act as if I was more than half as insulting to him as he was to me.
You act as if I was more than half as insulting to him as he was to me.
Its a pity the game ended up being so bad. I was kinda excited about it until reviews started appearing.
Now I am worried about Fallout: New Vegas. Don't screw this one up, Obsidian...
Now I am worried about Fallout: New Vegas. Don't screw this one up, Obsidian...
Here is the rest of the post that Jim mentioned in this article:
"This game was just an absolute failure of production, and it's no wonder that so many of the developers left the company, even after the 40% staff layoffs. I am still happy about some of Obsidian's other current projects, New Vegas included, because they are going pretty well. Their big unannounced project is looking great and is already much better than AP ever was, and that may end up being the game that everyone was looking for with AP."
{full comment: http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/28/alpha-protocol-game-review/3#comments}
I hope he is right about Obsidian getting their shit together. I enjoy their RPG's a lot and really want them to succeed.
"This game was just an absolute failure of production, and it's no wonder that so many of the developers left the company, even after the 40% staff layoffs. I am still happy about some of Obsidian's other current projects, New Vegas included, because they are going pretty well. Their big unannounced project is looking great and is already much better than AP ever was, and that may end up being the game that everyone was looking for with AP."
{full comment: http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/28/alpha-protocol-game-review/3#comments}
I hope he is right about Obsidian getting their shit together. I enjoy their RPG's a lot and really want them to succeed.
"... Sega should have canceled AP instead of Aliens.."
That right there sounds like an angry troll more than an angry dev.
But I guess they could both be one in the same? ;)
That right there sounds like an angry troll more than an angry dev.
But I guess they could both be one in the same? ;)
@hermes
"Its a pity the game ended up being so bad. I was kinda excited about it until reviews started appearing.
Now I am worried about Fallout: New Vegas. Don't screw this one up, Obsidian..."
+1 Dissapointed. Anyway, New Vegas can't be screwed: they just have to copy Fallout3 to make a great game.
"Its a pity the game ended up being so bad. I was kinda excited about it until reviews started appearing.
Now I am worried about Fallout: New Vegas. Don't screw this one up, Obsidian..."
+1 Dissapointed. Anyway, New Vegas can't be screwed: they just have to copy Fallout3 to make a great game.
Out of interest I checked Chris Parker's wikipedia entry and it reads like either a copy and paste from a CV, or an auto-biographical entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Parker_(Obsidian_Entertainment)
I hope that Bethesda will scrutinise New Vegas' QC. They don't want all the goodwill towards the franchise that Fallout 3 generated being extinguished by a bad release, surely they won't publish a turd? Then again, Bethesda did publish Wet and Rogue Warrior...
I hope that Bethesda will scrutinise New Vegas' QC. They don't want all the goodwill towards the franchise that Fallout 3 generated being extinguished by a bad release, surely they won't publish a turd? Then again, Bethesda did publish Wet and Rogue Warrior...
Shaulamm,
KotOR II says hi. It was the same situation as New Vegas. They had all of Bioware's tech, and still produced a buggy, unfinished game, irregardless of Lucasarts being unwilling to move the release date.
Obsidian is yet to demonstrate that they can compentently plan and execute on a game. Here's hoping New Vegas breaks that trend, but I'm less optimistic now after AP.
KotOR II says hi. It was the same situation as New Vegas. They had all of Bioware's tech, and still produced a buggy, unfinished game, irregardless of Lucasarts being unwilling to move the release date.
Obsidian is yet to demonstrate that they can compentently plan and execute on a game. Here's hoping New Vegas breaks that trend, but I'm less optimistic now after AP.
Considering Jim's review is not normal, and there are a lot of 7s for this game, I don't think it is certified trash as he claims.
Jim /= everyone.
Jim /= everyone.
StingingVelvet's logic seems to beg for the classic "everyone used to think the world was flat, blah blah" response. I forget the rest of the story but it ends with his being an idiot.
Play the game yourself and form your own opinions, maybe?
Play the game yourself and form your own opinions, maybe?
Jesus, Jim. I was nominally on your side until you started opening up your damn mouth outside of reviews. Shit like that is just unwarranted.
Anyway, it does sound like an angry dev on the troll's path. But meh. This sort of thing is (unfortunately) not too rare in the gaming world, and at a certain point the game just needs to be released to make SOME money back on the investment.
That said, (while I am yet unable to play it myself) reading the reviews on the game, the shitty parts are the action, AI, etc. which are the traditional parts that we know can be polished. By all appearances, the only thing stopping AP from being a really good game is a solid layer of polish. So, I can't fully believe him when he says "it was obvious 2 years ago that this game should have been scrapped". If I had to guess he's just fuming at the mismanagement - and it could very well be mismanagement that is preventing Obsidian from really taking off. That would explain the missed deadlines and spotty quality of Obsidian's games.
Anyway, it does sound like an angry dev on the troll's path. But meh. This sort of thing is (unfortunately) not too rare in the gaming world, and at a certain point the game just needs to be released to make SOME money back on the investment.
That said, (while I am yet unable to play it myself) reading the reviews on the game, the shitty parts are the action, AI, etc. which are the traditional parts that we know can be polished. By all appearances, the only thing stopping AP from being a really good game is a solid layer of polish. So, I can't fully believe him when he says "it was obvious 2 years ago that this game should have been scrapped". If I had to guess he's just fuming at the mismanagement - and it could very well be mismanagement that is preventing Obsidian from really taking off. That would explain the missed deadlines and spotty quality of Obsidian's games.
@UltorOscariot- I think you meant "regardless of Lucasart...."
@StingingVelvet- That was a stupid thing to say
@Jim Sterling- That was a perfect answer to a stupid thing to say
@glitznglam-style- Nothing wrong with that, enjoy it.
I'm not sure why i'm replying to people who aren't talking to me.
@StingingVelvet- That was a stupid thing to say
@Jim Sterling- That was a perfect answer to a stupid thing to say
@glitznglam-style- Nothing wrong with that, enjoy it.
I'm not sure why i'm replying to people who aren't talking to me.
While alpha protocol leaves much to be wanted it is not a horrific game by any means. I have played far worse that have been greeted by the gaming "press" much better. For myself AP was far more splinter cell than the last splinter cell was and I didn't have any problems with any of the hacking systems at all (playing on normal difficulty). I do agree, however, that any game should have been cancelled instead of the Aliens RPG.
And still people are excited for New Vegas? :)
What's I've seen (Giantbomb's playthrough) and read (reviews) makes me think I'll enjoy AP by overlooking the awful AI and other elements, but not for full price. Or half price for that matter.
What's I've seen (Giantbomb's playthrough) and read (reviews) makes me think I'll enjoy AP by overlooking the awful AI and other elements, but not for full price. Or half price for that matter.
Why do people who dislike Sterling articles, religiously read them?
Can't the set it up so they dine even see them if they really dislike his voice?
I mean really. It's sad.
People seem to te this stuff so personally. Why?!
Can't the set it up so they dine even see them if they really dislike his voice?
I mean really. It's sad.
People seem to te this stuff so personally. Why?!
Was Obsidian even that far along with the Aliens RPG two years ago? To have scrapped AP instead of Aliens would mean diverting resources to that game in its conceptual build.
It seems like he means it should have been canceled in a "these ideas are good but they are not going together and we don't really have the skill set on this development team to fix them" way.
Compound that with inept management (really? Sega's inept at something? NO!) and...I think we can all see where this game went downhill, fast.
As for the reviews, it makes sense. Destructoid judges games based on how disappointed or...appointed you'd be if you were excited about it; the games are compared to themselves. Alpha Protocol is about 20% of what we imagined it could be. Other places compare it to other games, and also have review scores normalized around a higher number; for, say, Gamestop, a 60 (what they gave it) is more like a 3 or 4, because they give everything 80's.
Compound that with inept management (really? Sega's inept at something? NO!) and...I think we can all see where this game went downhill, fast.
As for the reviews, it makes sense. Destructoid judges games based on how disappointed or...appointed you'd be if you were excited about it; the games are compared to themselves. Alpha Protocol is about 20% of what we imagined it could be. Other places compare it to other games, and also have review scores normalized around a higher number; for, say, Gamestop, a 60 (what they gave it) is more like a 3 or 4, because they give everything 80's.
Can't wait to pick up my copy of AP tomorrow. Sterling has been monstrously wrong about everything in the past, and I have the utmost confidence he won't let me down this time.
I had no idea people were on AP's case so badly... it's a perfectly enjoyable game, I don't see what all the brick-shitting is about.
Obsidian has always been utterly incompetent at making their games. Sure, they make interesting characters and stories, but their programmers are retarded.
Every single game they've released has been poorly optimized, bug-ridden, barely finished (if at all), and clunky.
Every single game they've released has been poorly optimized, bug-ridden, barely finished (if at all), and clunky.
Jim Sterling reviews = Great
Alpha Protocol has been hammered by a ton of outlets. I've seen reviewers inflate review scores, but I've never seen reviewers (of relatively larger size, not fan blogs)knock a game for shits and giggles. Publishers tend not to be so free with the ad money when you dump on their games, so I highly doubt a bunch of professional review sites are pissing down SEGA's back just for the hell of it.
FFXIII was a sappy, over-blown piece o' mediocre. That's not 'controversy' to point that out.
When I was a kid, we used to bitterly argue over SEGA vs. Nintendo. I remember the shame of having to face my pro-SEGA friends when Nintendo changed the blood in Mortal Kombat to 'sweat'. Oh, the humanity. Console fighting was what you did at 12, I understand it. For the life of me, I don't get at all how today's kids go nuts defending individual titles like it was life or death. What do you care if Alpha Protocol sucks, other than being disappointing on missing out on a potential good experience. Islamic Jihad had nothing on the rage of Capcom fanboys when it was pointed out RE5 was a mediocre, forgettable experience.
Jim Sterling 'Hey look at me I'm cool independent thinker #96767454545 who knocks religion on teh internets!!! = Not so great.
Treating knocking religion like it was new, different, or special got old around 1800. When Karl Marx writes a book in the fucking 19th century about how played out knocking religion is, I think it's safe to say it's a bit stale. I guess this Tim Minchin is the new Patton Oswald in terms of ambrosia for the 'Real Serious' internet crowd.
Protip: If one is 'over' religion, then you're just over it. It doesn't dominate your intellectual pursuits. If one feels the needs to constantly publicly talk about, then essentially you are religious. You just replaced the role of a reanimated carpenter (who may or may not eat brains, I didn't get the far in Catholic School) with your own ego.
Alpha Protocol has been hammered by a ton of outlets. I've seen reviewers inflate review scores, but I've never seen reviewers (of relatively larger size, not fan blogs)knock a game for shits and giggles. Publishers tend not to be so free with the ad money when you dump on their games, so I highly doubt a bunch of professional review sites are pissing down SEGA's back just for the hell of it.
FFXIII was a sappy, over-blown piece o' mediocre. That's not 'controversy' to point that out.
When I was a kid, we used to bitterly argue over SEGA vs. Nintendo. I remember the shame of having to face my pro-SEGA friends when Nintendo changed the blood in Mortal Kombat to 'sweat'. Oh, the humanity. Console fighting was what you did at 12, I understand it. For the life of me, I don't get at all how today's kids go nuts defending individual titles like it was life or death. What do you care if Alpha Protocol sucks, other than being disappointing on missing out on a potential good experience. Islamic Jihad had nothing on the rage of Capcom fanboys when it was pointed out RE5 was a mediocre, forgettable experience.
Jim Sterling 'Hey look at me I'm cool independent thinker #96767454545 who knocks religion on teh internets!!! = Not so great.
Treating knocking religion like it was new, different, or special got old around 1800. When Karl Marx writes a book in the fucking 19th century about how played out knocking religion is, I think it's safe to say it's a bit stale. I guess this Tim Minchin is the new Patton Oswald in terms of ambrosia for the 'Real Serious' internet crowd.
Protip: If one is 'over' religion, then you're just over it. It doesn't dominate your intellectual pursuits. If one feels the needs to constantly publicly talk about, then essentially you are religious. You just replaced the role of a reanimated carpenter (who may or may not eat brains, I didn't get the far in Catholic School) with your own ego.
I suppose but dammit we gamers are a fickle bunch.
Oh well it is what is.
Not having played Alpha Protocol I don't have an opinionon it. But I am looking forward to Fallout New Vegas so I hope Obsidian is up to task. KOTOR 2 while not a bad game, was less polished than the original.
Oh well it is what is.
Not having played Alpha Protocol I don't have an opinionon it. But I am looking forward to Fallout New Vegas so I hope Obsidian is up to task. KOTOR 2 while not a bad game, was less polished than the original.
"StingingVelvet: It's also considered "normal" to talk to an invisible man in the sky."
I dare say, Jim, I Lol'd. In a good way.
I dare say, Jim, I Lol'd. In a good way.
@EggmaniMN
Taking this "1up gived Alpha Protocol a B" and some older replys on AP review about "no credibility because DTOID gived Deadly Premonition a 10"
http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3178205&p=4
LOL?...
1up gived Deadly Premonition a B, what a coincidence!!...
Oh!... Game Informed gived Deadly premonition a 7.75!!... Want more credibility?...
DTOID GIVED THIS GAME A 10...
Taking this "1up gived Alpha Protocol a B" and some older replys on AP review about "no credibility because DTOID gived Deadly Premonition a 10"
http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3178205&p=4
LOL?...
1up gived Deadly Premonition a B, what a coincidence!!...
Oh!... Game Informed gived Deadly premonition a 7.75!!... Want more credibility?...
DTOID GIVED THIS GAME A 10...
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