Kotaku has a screenshot with a GTAIV stamp and THE EIFFEL TOWER. Can someone please figure this out?

2009?! Ah well, I won't even have a 360 by 08 anyway.

they just need to say that if you bought a core 360, you don't get to play. you're a dumbass if you bought a core anyway, and this should be your punishment. that at least solves the hard drive issue.

I hope the utilize the hard drive for the 360. Thats what people get for buying a core.

If IV came out with "This game requires the Xbox360 Hard drive" printed on the label, do you think it would hurt sales? Hell no. It would just force the NitWits who bought the Core system to get a HDD, and set a precedent for other developers to do the same. Sifnt itll run fine on 360...... rockstar can run their games on pocket calculators with enough time to work on the code (just look at the GTA games on PSP).

-> BlackDove: Got to disagree. If you think the game will be somehow significantly worse for being ported from one console to another similarly powered one, I'm pretty sure you're way off. It might mean the developers will have to have a few less dynamically generated clouds floating around the sky, or that shadows of birds are rendered slightly poorer than they could otherwise be, but it shouldn't actually hurt the gameplay at all. Game developers have been working within architectural constraints for as long as there have been games. For example, gamecube and xbox architectures are completely different, but there were plenty of games ported that played equally well on both systems.

That said, I don't think making the game HDD only would be a bad idea at all. The main trouble would be getting the green light from MS.

-> OboeHero: No, mxy was just making a funny joke. That's not to say it's false, however....

-> WiiSucks: No, sorry, you still lose.

As a PS3 owner, I’m pissed off. Anyone who bought the Core system is a moron anyway, so Rockstar shouldn’t deign to accommodate them.

Ok, bad puns aside, I think is time we just admit the xbox 360 core using a memory card was just a bad idea, if you still have a core stop being so cheap and buy an hdd (you can get one for $70 or even get a used 120 gb hacked in).

I mean you cant even download xbox live games in a memory card anymore they just wont fit. whats the point? if GTA IV NEEDS a HDD just place it in the system requirements, and we will understand, hey sometimes you NEED to upgrade. right?

Now.. if you say you need an HD-DVD we will just drive all the way to Rockstar and kick the developers in the nuts until they realize they dont really require it any more, sounds fair? good.

hmmmm... Lets see here... The PS3 (all the sudden) has the attention of a lot of 360 fans due to the fact that a game near and dear to a lot of people has the potential to be better on another console. I hear people saying "don't be so cheap" and "why did you buy the core system?" <-- (360)
Point being that the PS3 might have been right all along with the Blue-Ray considering that this is already an issue.

@ Dan Gale
Well if you want better games, your going to need better hardware.

I'll never understand how a DVD isn't big enough. Are they saving all their textures in an uncompressed TIFF format, or what?

@BlackDove: You stole the words out of my mouth.Unfortunetely most X-Box and Nintendo fanboys won't ever admit that simple truth.
Kudos to you.

GTA evokes a lot of passion, so I still can't understand the universal lack of fan reaction to the game also possibly being set in PARIS.

Are we Americans so anti-French, we can't even be visibly excited about Franco-carjacking?

Someone throw me a bone please.

Whut? I never understood how not having to compress data means OMG LAZINESS! If anything it would give developers the time normally spent on developing compressing technology to add MORE content.

Whether you like it or not, high capacity media will come in the future... if it doesn't end up being blu-ray, something else will pop up. I think it would be better for the gaming industry as a whole if they got used to having more data.

Eventually it'll get to the point where even the high-density space isn't enough and developers will have to compress THAT data.

Blackdove, I must be wrong, but I read in an interview with Kojima a while back and they asked him point blank, would the 360 be able to run MGS4 the way it is run on the PS3? Kojima's answer was short, yes. So I don't really know what you are talking about. But I guess you must be best buds with Kojima or something.

Agreed. Make the HDD on the 360 version mandatory.

deiga, Yes I remember him saying he doesn't like doing ports. But the person didn't ask him if he would port it to the 360. He just asked if the 360 could run MGS4 like it is on PS3, and he said, yes, he could. I know the PS3 is more powerful than the 360. I don't know if any of you read the GameInformer preview for GTA IV, but the build they saw was on the 360, and they said at that time it was the best looking 360 game out there, and it is still 5 months from shipping.

I think that is one mistake Microsoft made, not utilizing HD-DVD. Who cares what disc wins the DVD wars, if you used HD-DVD discs, then they could fit more stuff on them.

Wii FTW!
No? Ok.

I say Bullshit that the 360's DVD drive is causing problems...it has a much faster read time than Blu-Gay or HD-DVD.
If anything is holding back the 360 version it is the lack of a guaranteed hard drive.

BTW...PS3 is crappy. I want my money back Sony.

I think they should just go back to their original plans and make GTAIV back to being a PS3 Exclusive title. i think it was just plain stupidity to go multiplatform when in the long run all it does is hurt the title. i think if they want it on xbox 360, they should make another version of the game. compare it to what happened with Test Drive Unlimited, from Xbox 360 to PS2. it was made into a new game that could be played on a less powerful system. it would be the same concept except from the PS3 to the xbox 360. i am a PS3 owner (yea im a PS3 fan but i am not biased whatsoever, im just speaking what i believe would work out in the long run) and i feel kinda robbed because i bought the PS3 mainly for GTAIV when it was announced as a PS3 Exclusive title. Anybody feeling me on this idea?

***I have been looking to get a Xbox 360 Elite, and i was wondering what anybody's opinion on it is? worth it or not?