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I don't get how people can interpret Capcom's actions with Megaman as making "business sense". They had one of gaming's largest fan bases, and they lost it. What would people say if Nintendo did that to Mario, or if Square dropped Final Fantasy?(though Megaman wasn't AS large as those 2)
I don't think killing Megaman was an overnight process. It was a combination of decreasing confidence in the series by releasing a couple shitty Megaman games, having a poor release schedule (releasing too many at once and then not releasing any at all, which made the series difficult to follow), and poor marketing (or rather, barely any). MML3's cancellation was definitely the straw that broke the camel's back though. It was a game fans were waiting for, looked quite good, and was projected to release at a good time (2012 has been a lot more barren than 2011). It's plain short-sightedness on Capcom's part.
I don't think killing Megaman was an overnight process. It was a combination of decreasing confidence in the series by releasing a couple shitty Megaman games, having a poor release schedule (releasing too many at once and then not releasing any at all, which made the series difficult to follow), and poor marketing (or rather, barely any). MML3's cancellation was definitely the straw that broke the camel's back though. It was a game fans were waiting for, looked quite good, and was projected to release at a good time (2012 has been a lot more barren than 2011). It's plain short-sightedness on Capcom's part.
NEW MEGAMAN GAME! HOLY SHIT!
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WHAT THE FUCKING HELL IS THIS
Goddammit Capcom. Just... Fucking... damn.
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WHAT THE FUCKING HELL IS THIS
Goddammit Capcom. Just... Fucking... damn.
It is very simple, make I good game, and I will buy it. I don´t know from where people take this shit that we are to blame when a piece of shit like this is released because we did not buy the previous games. Capcom had a fanbase ready to put money on MML3 and they pulled it off, now they put Mega Man IN A FUCKING FUR COAT, to be played with touch screen controls... on its 25th Anniversary. I would never imagine that, when I died six time in a roll on the first gap on Guts Man stage back in the day... that I would have to play it using shitty touch controls. No, do not blame me for that!
The joke is, if we don't buy this one Capcom are going to use lackluster sales as an excuse to never make a proper Mega Man game ever again.
I don't even remember the last time I bought anything capcom, looks like they are aiming to keep it that way.
Just to throw in a little cheer. I missed out on megaman until recently, never really knew about the series for one reason or another (kind of unbelievable now that I think about it). Anyway, picked up megaman 10 a while back because I thought it looked cool, was completely amazed by how well designed it was and proceeded to read about the rest of the series. Got hooked. There is such a body of work there for people to enjoy, I've been playing the nes titles, 9, zero, battle network, just a vast amount of awesome. I know it looks like capcom are screwing it up, but the series is strong enough to pull in new fans like myself without any input from capcom at all. All you brilliant angry fans are clearly in love with something, and that makes people want to find out what it is and fall in love too. Huzzah!
Maybe the harsh reality that Mega Man fans need to come to is that they aren't the intended audience for Capcom games anymore. Resident Evil, Dead Rising, Dragon's Dogma, and Monster Hunter are their bread and butter these days. Judging by the sales of them there isn't a ton of crossover between the fanbases of those games and Mega Man games. It sucks that Mega Man has gone off so unceremoniously though.
What we had was good while it lasted, but it's not healthy to cling to false hope either, let it go, head over to amazon and get the original and X collections for PS2, get the DS, GBA, PS1 or whatever games you can get, enjoy them and hold them dear but leave hope for the future here because Capcom decided to kill Mega Man a while back, we just didn't want to believe it.
"to also be fair capcom is doing this because social sells more than real games"
What a load of utter bollocks.
What a load of utter bollocks.
It's okay, Tony. No Shenmue 3 either. Metroid also got shamed into hiding. I might not even see Yakuza 5 stateside.
You're not alone in the disappointment boat...
You're not alone in the disappointment boat...
Well, it seems like Capcom keep topping themselves in the "Worst deification of the Mega Man Franchise" competition, and this is the current winner. I love the Mega Man games, and was stupid enough to believe that the success of Mega Man 9 would lead to a revival of Mega Man as a mainstream icon. If this is what Capcom thinks Mega Man is worth, then there's nothing to do but weep for the future.
Also, as much as I like to rag on Nintendo and their silly decisions, I still believe that they would never do something like this. At least Nintendo Land isn't a facebook game. (I disapprove of Zynga's influence on most Facebook games)
Also, as much as I like to rag on Nintendo and their silly decisions, I still believe that they would never do something like this. At least Nintendo Land isn't a facebook game. (I disapprove of Zynga's influence on most Facebook games)
ActiBlizz and EA bother me with their shitty business but ultimately I've no interest in most of their product so I can't get too angry.
Megaman, Devil May Cry and Viewtiful Joe are some of my favourite series. I was REALLY looking forward to Megaman Legends 3 and Megaman Universe (which I was confident they would refine the graphics/gameplay in). But with this: A Megaman Crossover with everyone even .exe Volnutt and Starforce. It should be excellent, but it's a bloody social IOS game. THE FUCK ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHH FUUUCK FUUCK SHIT CRAP CUNT FUCCCCCCCCCCCCCK. It's not all bad though, this isn't as franchise ruining as DMC is. I'd rather a dead franchise like Megaman than one that's being turned into something worse then death like DMC. RIP Megaman, RIP Dante, and with no Joe on the horizon RIP Viewtiful Joe.
Megaman, Devil May Cry and Viewtiful Joe are some of my favourite series. I was REALLY looking forward to Megaman Legends 3 and Megaman Universe (which I was confident they would refine the graphics/gameplay in). But with this: A Megaman Crossover with everyone even .exe Volnutt and Starforce. It should be excellent, but it's a bloody social IOS game. THE FUCK ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHH FUUUCK FUUCK SHIT CRAP CUNT FUCCCCCCCCCCCCCK. It's not all bad though, this isn't as franchise ruining as DMC is. I'd rather a dead franchise like Megaman than one that's being turned into something worse then death like DMC. RIP Megaman, RIP Dante, and with no Joe on the horizon RIP Viewtiful Joe.
I mean with Kenji gone the company now can make more casual mega man games.
But yeah Capcom is dead to me and has been for the last 5-6 years
But yeah Capcom is dead to me and has been for the last 5-6 years
As much as I wouldn't like to admit it, I've lost interest in the Mega Man franchise after Capcom's recent treatment towards the property. Is it a shame? Absolutely, but I just can't force myself to feel bitterly disappointed. I guees all I can say is "be careful what you wish for."
What a strange trend we're having, lately: Mega Man is being treated like garbage, Mario's getting a tad stale, Metroid is in a bit of a recession, Yakuza 5 may not even arrive to North American shores, Anarchy Reigns may become another overlooked gem, but Sonic the Hedgehog and Rayman are making a comeback. Meanwhile, the Zelda and Kirby franchises are still going strong. There's something wrong with this picture... and I think it's Flipper's nitwit cousin. =P
What a strange trend we're having, lately: Mega Man is being treated like garbage, Mario's getting a tad stale, Metroid is in a bit of a recession, Yakuza 5 may not even arrive to North American shores, Anarchy Reigns may become another overlooked gem, but Sonic the Hedgehog and Rayman are making a comeback. Meanwhile, the Zelda and Kirby franchises are still going strong. There's something wrong with this picture... and I think it's Flipper's nitwit cousin. =P
Just chiming in to point out that Worca's view of how business works seems to be backwards.
The idea that if you want a studio to put out the great games you want, you have to support them they release any old shit they throw together for nothing then sell to you at a premium.
Worca, that's actually the opposite of how the world works. When you support cheap cash-ins, you send the message that cheap cash-ins are the way to go.
That goes for any franchise, not just Mega Man.
The idea that if you want a studio to put out the great games you want, you have to support them they release any old shit they throw together for nothing then sell to you at a premium.
Worca, that's actually the opposite of how the world works. When you support cheap cash-ins, you send the message that cheap cash-ins are the way to go.
That goes for any franchise, not just Mega Man.
"I swear to baby Jesus, it's like Capcom wants people to hate Mega Man."
I'm not sure about that. I AM sure that Capcom is doing a hell of a job making me hate Capcom.
Between this, DMC, and Bionic Commando, they can get fucked.
I'm not sure about that. I AM sure that Capcom is doing a hell of a job making me hate Capcom.
Between this, DMC, and Bionic Commando, they can get fucked.
You forgot Ace Attourney. They're still refusing to release Ace Investigations 2 outside of Japan.
Just cuz.
Just cuz.
Capcom has sent us a message in the form of a cruel joke. When one tried to pronounce the new title out loud, it just comes out as "Rockman'z Over."
This does seem like a bad time for videogame fans.
The portable Castlevania games had a huge following. Now Konami is releasing a new one which they proudly proclaim has none of what fans loved in the most popular Castlevania titles, instead focusing on making it a God of War clone.
Silent Hill has been getting shafted for years. Now a new game is coming out but instead of survival horror it's a co-op dungeon crawler. Might be fun, but not necessarily appealing to survival/horror fans who wanted more Silent Hill in the vein of the first two games.
The last Ace Attourney ended with a lot of loose ends, then Capcom dropped it for years.
Ace Investigations was amazing, then Capcom decided not to release the sequel in the west. No reason, they just dont' feel like it.
Bionic Commando Re-Armed was amazing, so Capcom dropped the team responsible for it, released a lackluster Re-Armed 2 on fewer platforms and has effectively killed the revival. Even better, my copy of Re-Armed for the PC stopped working. Just a black screen now. Thanks Capcom!
Metroid was riding high after the Prime series, then Nintendo dropped the ball with Other M and has buried the series, with no word of an anniversary release.
I'm sure the list goes on. These are jut off the top of my head. I can think of some less venerable titles that came out, were amazing, then disappeared. Infinite Space was probably the best RPG since FF7, definitely the best on the DS. Platinum Games has repeatedly voiced a desire to do a sequel, but Sega won't greenlight it despite the high sales of the original.
The portable Castlevania games had a huge following. Now Konami is releasing a new one which they proudly proclaim has none of what fans loved in the most popular Castlevania titles, instead focusing on making it a God of War clone.
Silent Hill has been getting shafted for years. Now a new game is coming out but instead of survival horror it's a co-op dungeon crawler. Might be fun, but not necessarily appealing to survival/horror fans who wanted more Silent Hill in the vein of the first two games.
The last Ace Attourney ended with a lot of loose ends, then Capcom dropped it for years.
Ace Investigations was amazing, then Capcom decided not to release the sequel in the west. No reason, they just dont' feel like it.
Bionic Commando Re-Armed was amazing, so Capcom dropped the team responsible for it, released a lackluster Re-Armed 2 on fewer platforms and has effectively killed the revival. Even better, my copy of Re-Armed for the PC stopped working. Just a black screen now. Thanks Capcom!
Metroid was riding high after the Prime series, then Nintendo dropped the ball with Other M and has buried the series, with no word of an anniversary release.
I'm sure the list goes on. These are jut off the top of my head. I can think of some less venerable titles that came out, were amazing, then disappeared. Infinite Space was probably the best RPG since FF7, definitely the best on the DS. Platinum Games has repeatedly voiced a desire to do a sequel, but Sega won't greenlight it despite the high sales of the original.
I have said so much about the Mega Man issue... I'm just tired of it. CAPCOM like other Japanese game companies has made a series of very annoying decisions with one of its most beloved franchises (I'm looking at you Nintendo, Metroid cough cough). Plain and simple.
Is it okay to cry? I kinda want to... the only Capcom game I'm interested in is DmC. Right now other publishers are given me my off-world experience. Tomorrow Darksiders 2 (EU) will arive :)
So much hate, so much rage! I've said it before, lets band together, not buy any of their shit, and put Capcom out of business like they deserve
For everyone saying that cancelling multiple Mega Man games was a bad idea or led to this, you're all wrong. They made the right call canning those titles because their hearts clearly weren't in it. Just look at the screenshots for this game. Those games could have turned out like that!
I propose a year long Game Jam in which people make tons of Mega Man sidescrollers. It's the only way to revive and reclaim it, I think. Capcom just isn't going there.
@Tubatic:
Why not go all the way? Blatantly tread all over their copyright and sell such games en masse to send the message that people are willing to pay for them. Capcom doesn't get to see a cent of that money for something that belongs to them.
This will only work if:
1. A lot of developers sell illegal Mega Man "tributes"
2. None of those developers give any proceeds to Capcom for any reason, be it respect, hope for a new good game, or anything else
3. A balance between such projects made out of spite to Capcom and out of tough love to them is made
4. At least one of them sells big and the developer openly brags about all the money he's making from a Mega Man game
After seeing Rockman 4 Minus Infinity, I have faith in the indie developer and hacker communities to make games good enough for this to work. It's like what the old Japanese proverb says, if a whole lot of people all illegally cross the street, none of them can get in trouble because there's too many of them. The same mindset needs to be applied to the Game Jam idea of yours to have any effect. It will end in either a lot of lawsuits, a lot of buyouts, or some modicum of recovery, but this is a good idea if it's construed as a mass rebellion.
Why not go all the way? Blatantly tread all over their copyright and sell such games en masse to send the message that people are willing to pay for them. Capcom doesn't get to see a cent of that money for something that belongs to them.
This will only work if:
1. A lot of developers sell illegal Mega Man "tributes"
2. None of those developers give any proceeds to Capcom for any reason, be it respect, hope for a new good game, or anything else
3. A balance between such projects made out of spite to Capcom and out of tough love to them is made
4. At least one of them sells big and the developer openly brags about all the money he's making from a Mega Man game
After seeing Rockman 4 Minus Infinity, I have faith in the indie developer and hacker communities to make games good enough for this to work. It's like what the old Japanese proverb says, if a whole lot of people all illegally cross the street, none of them can get in trouble because there's too many of them. The same mindset needs to be applied to the Game Jam idea of yours to have any effect. It will end in either a lot of lawsuits, a lot of buyouts, or some modicum of recovery, but this is a good idea if it's construed as a mass rebellion.
@Tubatic:
Why not go all the way? Blatantly tread all over their copyright and sell such games en masse to send the message that people are willing to pay for them. Capcom doesn't get to see a cent of that money for something that belongs to them.
This will only work if:
1. A lot of developers sell illegal Mega Man "tributes"
2. None of those developers give any proceeds to Capcom for any reason, be it respect, hope for a new good game, or anything else
3. A balance between such projects made out of spite to Capcom and out of tough love to them is made
4. At least one of them sells big and the developer openly brags about all the money he's making from a Mega Man game
After seeing Rockman 4 Minus Infinity, I have faith in the indie developer and hacker communities to make games good enough for this to work. It's like what the old Japanese proverb says, if a whole lot of people all illegally cross the street, none of them can get in trouble because there's too many of them. The same mindset needs to be applied to the Game Jam idea of yours to have any effect. It will end in either a lot of lawsuits, a lot of buyouts, or some modicum of recovery, but this is a good idea if it's construed as a mass rebellion.
Why not go all the way? Blatantly tread all over their copyright and sell such games en masse to send the message that people are willing to pay for them. Capcom doesn't get to see a cent of that money for something that belongs to them.
This will only work if:
1. A lot of developers sell illegal Mega Man "tributes"
2. None of those developers give any proceeds to Capcom for any reason, be it respect, hope for a new good game, or anything else
3. A balance between such projects made out of spite to Capcom and out of tough love to them is made
4. At least one of them sells big and the developer openly brags about all the money he's making from a Mega Man game
After seeing Rockman 4 Minus Infinity, I have faith in the indie developer and hacker communities to make games good enough for this to work. It's like what the old Japanese proverb says, if a whole lot of people all illegally cross the street, none of them can get in trouble because there's too many of them. The same mindset needs to be applied to the Game Jam idea of yours to have any effect. It will end in either a lot of lawsuits, a lot of buyouts, or some modicum of recovery, but this is a good idea if it's construed as a mass rebellion.
How could you expect Capcom NOT to do something like this? You've seen what they've been doing to every franchise they own, right?
Want to play capcom games and still fuck over capcom? Buy used, and return it (if you can) after you are done with it to keep the used titles in circulation. If you can't return it, then sell it back.
@Jonathan Holmes
If by "something," you mean "quick and easy social mobile game that re-uses assets from another very ugly mobile game," then yeah, you were right. I guess I owe you money.
If by "something," you mean "quick and easy social mobile game that re-uses assets from another very ugly mobile game," then yeah, you were right. I guess I owe you money.
"Rockman Xover is indeed planned to release in North America and Europe. The specific date and other details are coming down the road."
My blog post for this is going to be delicious, even though I'm stooping off the high road for it.
My blog post for this is going to be delicious, even though I'm stooping off the high road for it.
I saw this yesterday over at 4chan, the rage within that thread could blot out the sun. Its a complete disrespect to the franchise but at this point its clear they just don't give a shit, just what brings in the money.
Also everyday you forgot something...
"- Announced a new Lost Planet game, as if that was what people wanted"
They didn't just announce a lost planet game, they announced a lost planet game by spark interactive, responsible for legendary the box and turning point fall of liberty, 2 of the absolute worst FPS released in years, plus they said it was going to have a very heavy focus and emphasis on single player and story, cause its not like what people loved about LP2 was the complete insanity of the coop.
I don't know if Capcom is intentionally obtuse or they just don't care.
Also everyday you forgot something...
"- Announced a new Lost Planet game, as if that was what people wanted"
They didn't just announce a lost planet game, they announced a lost planet game by spark interactive, responsible for legendary the box and turning point fall of liberty, 2 of the absolute worst FPS released in years, plus they said it was going to have a very heavy focus and emphasis on single player and story, cause its not like what people loved about LP2 was the complete insanity of the coop.
I don't know if Capcom is intentionally obtuse or they just don't care.
This game will sell in the thousands if not several hundred thousands, will most likely receive a sequel, and when Capcom realizes they can put the Megaman name on to any 2D flash game and sell that for a crazy amount of money, the fans will have nobody but themselves to blame.
Maybe Capcom can restore a little bit of my faith when Capcom+RPG= Breath of Fire, again...
Maybe Capcom can restore a little bit of my faith when Capcom+RPG= Breath of Fire, again...
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