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"...when I was trying to figure out where to put my fingers to play "Space Oddity" in middle school."
Is that what they used to call it? Gross.
Is that what they used to call it? Gross.
It certainly looks complicated. I can't say if I agree that this would help teach guitar, but I guess if it gets gamers into it, why not?
Well as a guitarist I say that this looks spot on and I can already read what is in the screen shot.
It just seems to work in tabs instead of chords
It just seems to work in tabs instead of chords
@KingSigy:
Can you play guitar? As someone who can (and who basically taught himself by ear and tablature), I'm confident that anyone who takes an hour to try this will quickly understand how it works. Getting good is another story.
@HMXhenry:
You're such a professional.
Can you play guitar? As someone who can (and who basically taught himself by ear and tablature), I'm confident that anyone who takes an hour to try this will quickly understand how it works. Getting good is another story.
@HMXhenry:
You're such a professional.
I've played the billion button madcatz guitar at gamescom and wasn't impressed, I don't think that pro mode will actually teach people how to play music. It will teach you how to cover songs though.
That madcatz guitar is rubbish though, it feels very cheap and toy like and not like the premium product it tries to be.
That madcatz guitar is rubbish though, it feels very cheap and toy like and not like the premium product it tries to be.
@Daniel Carneiro:
Very few players and songwriters pick up a guitar and start immediately playing their own music. They start by learning the basics, and for many, that's learning how to play songs they're familiar with.
By using those tools (chords, seeing patterns in notes, etc.) they can (if they choose) perform and/or write their own music. Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion on this (and you may be right in the long run), but I really find it baffling that many folks can't understand how that would work.
Very few players and songwriters pick up a guitar and start immediately playing their own music. They start by learning the basics, and for many, that's learning how to play songs they're familiar with.
By using those tools (chords, seeing patterns in notes, etc.) they can (if they choose) perform and/or write their own music. Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion on this (and you may be right in the long run), but I really find it baffling that many folks can't understand how that would work.
@Nick
Oh I don't disagree with you on that!
Tthere are going to be people that learn how to make music after playing Rock Band, but that's not what the game tries to teach you.
Every time I talk to non musician friends about Rock Band they kinda expect to be able to be in a band and write songs after playing the game for a while, which the game just doesn't do (at least I haven't seen any of that).
I'm not saying it's not awesome or not a good starting point, it's just maybe not what people expect.
My opinion is also tinted by the fact that I played a song that I know how to play on guitar and pretty much failed at it. There's definitely a learning curve to pro mode even if you already know how to play a song.
Oh I don't disagree with you on that!
Tthere are going to be people that learn how to make music after playing Rock Band, but that's not what the game tries to teach you.
Every time I talk to non musician friends about Rock Band they kinda expect to be able to be in a band and write songs after playing the game for a while, which the game just doesn't do (at least I haven't seen any of that).
I'm not saying it's not awesome or not a good starting point, it's just maybe not what people expect.
My opinion is also tinted by the fact that I played a song that I know how to play on guitar and pretty much failed at it. There's definitely a learning curve to pro mode even if you already know how to play a song.
There needs to be a Super Hyper Extreme Master Pro mode with staff and notation scrolling across. But then that would just be sight playing/reading...
I wonder how many people will actually try this. The only people that would be willing to get this are:
1. People who already play the real thing (like myself).
2. People who are willing to pay for it (the guitar needed is not expensive for a guitar, but is for a game peripheral) and try it a few times.
3. People who are willing to actually learn how to play but (feel like they) have no other means to do so.
And that narrows it down to a fairly small audience, in comparison to most people who are getting RB3 for "traditional" playing. So I think few beginners are actually going to get this, play it and learn anything.
Though, I suppose its a good thing if it inspires even one person to create music.
I wonder how many people will actually try this. The only people that would be willing to get this are:
1. People who already play the real thing (like myself).
2. People who are willing to pay for it (the guitar needed is not expensive for a guitar, but is for a game peripheral) and try it a few times.
3. People who are willing to actually learn how to play but (feel like they) have no other means to do so.
And that narrows it down to a fairly small audience, in comparison to most people who are getting RB3 for "traditional" playing. So I think few beginners are actually going to get this, play it and learn anything.
Though, I suppose its a good thing if it inspires even one person to create music.
As someone who has played guitar for about 15+ years.....
This looks fucking awesome!
I'm already stoked for all the new songs this will teach me.
(I don't really play "songs", solos, riffs and improvisations are my bag, but see this as an awesome song learning tool)
Cannot fucking wait!!!
This looks fucking awesome!
I'm already stoked for all the new songs this will teach me.
(I don't really play "songs", solos, riffs and improvisations are my bag, but see this as an awesome song learning tool)
Cannot fucking wait!!!
they are essentially in tabular form, i.e the easiest way of learning a song aside from, you know, knowing chords and just reading a sheet of them.
I'm wondering...
Can you play the standard rhythm game guitar on the pro guitars just using the first five frets?
Can you play the standard rhythm game guitar on the pro guitars just using the first five frets?
@ Daniel Carneiro:
I guess it's a matter of expectations. I do feel the game (much like a teacher or a "how to") will give someone the tools. What they build (if anything) with those tools is another story. Not everyone has the ear, education, or desire to write music; I think that will be up to the user.
I'm with you on the being able to play songs and failing them trying to play. I can pretty much play any song (within my guitar skill level) within a few moments (minutes, depending on complexity) of hearing it, so even though I'd never played "Rainbow in the Dark" prior to picking up the pro six string at E3, within seconds of having the guitar in my hand and hearing the song I knew exactly what I needed to do. I was missing notes left and right, but MOSTLY because I was trying to damned hardest to sight read the notes on the screen. I don't know if that will be possible for most people. When I stopped trying to read the notes as they scrolled down (occasionally using them for guidance, i.e. here comes a change), I did much better.
But for those looking to learn the chords, find those notes, I think a few plays through will have them memorizing the patterns, fretting, etc. and they'll be rocking it in no time.
I guess it's a matter of expectations. I do feel the game (much like a teacher or a "how to") will give someone the tools. What they build (if anything) with those tools is another story. Not everyone has the ear, education, or desire to write music; I think that will be up to the user.
I'm with you on the being able to play songs and failing them trying to play. I can pretty much play any song (within my guitar skill level) within a few moments (minutes, depending on complexity) of hearing it, so even though I'd never played "Rainbow in the Dark" prior to picking up the pro six string at E3, within seconds of having the guitar in my hand and hearing the song I knew exactly what I needed to do. I was missing notes left and right, but MOSTLY because I was trying to damned hardest to sight read the notes on the screen. I don't know if that will be possible for most people. When I stopped trying to read the notes as they scrolled down (occasionally using them for guidance, i.e. here comes a change), I did much better.
But for those looking to learn the chords, find those notes, I think a few plays through will have them memorizing the patterns, fretting, etc. and they'll be rocking it in no time.
@Nick
You're completely right, it's totally down to expectations!
I guess it depends on the setting you're playing it in then. Did you get the madcatz controller or the harmonix squier guitar when you played at E3?
Playing on the madcatz guitar (without a pick) was so complicated. I didn't have the tactile feedback of the different string sizes since they're all made out of plastic and they're all the same, so I had to look down or count the strings. Same for the buttons, they only vary in length and are very clicky, I just could not get used to it. Keep in mind, I only played it for 3 or 4 songs.
The problem now is that I really want to play pro mode but I don't want to buy the madcatz guitar, has the pricing for the harmonix strat been announced?
You're completely right, it's totally down to expectations!
I guess it depends on the setting you're playing it in then. Did you get the madcatz controller or the harmonix squier guitar when you played at E3?
Playing on the madcatz guitar (without a pick) was so complicated. I didn't have the tactile feedback of the different string sizes since they're all made out of plastic and they're all the same, so I had to look down or count the strings. Same for the buttons, they only vary in length and are very clicky, I just could not get used to it. Keep in mind, I only played it for 3 or 4 songs.
The problem now is that I really want to play pro mode but I don't want to buy the madcatz guitar, has the pricing for the harmonix strat been announced?
I wonder how easy I, with no previous musical training, will "learn" to play guitar on this. In a few months I went from GH n00b to expert guitarist (although I never did pass Before I Forget).
I see a lot of comments from those who already play, and as Daniel said, those like me are probably the major minority.
I guess what I'm getting at is - I'd be the perfect case study! :p Preferably funded, of course.
I see a lot of comments from those who already play, and as Daniel said, those like me are probably the major minority.
I guess what I'm getting at is - I'd be the perfect case study! :p Preferably funded, of course.
I am someone who was enthused about the whole pro-guitar idea, but probably wouldn't get the actual guitar to try it, this article just fucking sold me!
...and I just spent $250 on the ION drumset for pro drums!
I might as well figure out what my bank routing number is and just send my weekly checks to Harmonix.
...and I just spent $250 on the ION drumset for pro drums!
I might as well figure out what my bank routing number is and just send my weekly checks to Harmonix.
I'm super excited for this, except there's about zero chance that the eleventy zillion buttons on that guitar are going to work.
I played music professionally for many years and I think the best training I had in my formative years was playing along with records. This appears to be an extension of that, albeit you don't learn the songs by ear.
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