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RIAA: Ripping CDs to your hard disk is illegal photo

These days, there's little love left for the Recording Industry Association of America. It's understandable that they'd want to clean up music piracy, but they always seem to approach things in the worst way. Now they say that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music onto hard disk. What?

Washington Post article says that the music industry is going after collections of music on computers, now calling MP3s made from legally bought CDs "unauthorized copies" of copyrighted recordings. This comes from legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Arizona man who kept a collection of about 2,000 on his computer.

"I couldn't believe it when I read that," says Ray Beckerman, a New York lawyer who represents six clients who have been sued by the RIAA. "The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation."

In a different case, Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, said. that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,' " she adds.

If the RIAA is really standing behind this, that would mean that the ripped audio on my PS3 and Xbox 360 is illegal, not to mention the music on my PSP and most of the files on my iPod.

Is the RIAA really going to enforce this, or are they just getting desperate. 


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eksMAN's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 13:53
eksMAN
only in america does gay shit like that happen!
Joe Burling's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 13:54
Joe Burling
Fuck the RIAA and fuck Sony for that fucking stupid statement.

Someone contact 4chan... it's time to hack www.riaa.com.
apesapoppin's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 14:00
apesapoppin
My dad got a record player that plugs into the computer through USB to convert them to mp3s. Is he going to have to watch his back now?
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 14:04
Cheeburga
Awesome!
Wait, shit.
AirborneToxicEvent's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 14:20
AirborneToxicEvent
Someone needs to take out RIAA's Hive. Honestly, does anyone really buy a lot of the shit that comes out today? Heady annoying voices, no diaphragm to speak of, really awful background track. When labels stop signing crap like Shakira, Fallout Boy and K-Fed, and only sign actual TALENT, they might not need to be fucktards. However, what would it be like of we had nothing but intriguing, interesting multimedia entertainment? Could we handle it??? I'm reminded of the John Baptiste Philouza sketch on Mr. Show.
ceark's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 14:35
ceark
fuck the riaa.
CaptainApocalypse's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 15:24
CaptainApocalypse
@Ceark

I think they have toilet paper that says that on Jinx.com

This raises more questions like, Can I burn music to a CD that I bought on iTunes? There was never a physical copy. And again, what happens when that music goes to my iPod? I do kinda feel bad for the RIAA, after Napster and Kazaa(mostly) are extinct, they must spend a lot of time in their cubes just being bored. Someone should buy them UT3 and then they can have LAN parties and leave us the hell alone.
IceMax's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 15:32
IceMax
home taping is killing music, and its illegal

remember that load of bullshit?

My New life goal is to become Supreme overload of the RIAA and MPAA, and then shut them down in order to get rid of the bullshit
Trowble's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 15:59
Trowble
So, in other words it's only legal to own the copy we physically or virtually buy and limit that to being the only copy we own?

Fuck those fuckers and every-fucking-thing they motherfucking stand for, fuckers.
o T 101 o's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 16:15
o T 101 o
wow, this is just getting ridiculous. I think I might consider moving
xaelus's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 16:22
xaelus



Soon this will come to fruition
Juggernaut's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 16:23
Juggernaut
That's fucking ridiculous. So basically when you put your music onto your iPod your breaking the law? These people all deserve a good punch in the face.
ROBOZINHO's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 16:25
ROBOZINHO
The current music distribution model is irrelevant. It doesn't make sense anymore.

of course, it tooks a gooooooooood while until the powers that be would let anyone ruin their parade. Money and power buys a big inertia.

Distribution in CDs has no place today anymore. The sooner it dies, the better.
Reeper's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 16:31
Reeper
If making copies onto hard drives is illegal, then all MP3 players are now illegal. Just as stupid as it sounds.
Velt's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 16:38
Velt
JA JA JA.
I feel some sorry for them, they made big money on the 90.
timmet's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 16:38
timmet
I think this means anyone who has ever owned an electronic device is liable to being sued.
konchu's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 17:13
konchu
Ok they need to drop this silly stuff.
acharlesmobile's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 17:25
acharlesmobile
IMHO, i think the RIAA is just trying to save our economy. Imagine us having to buy every song we already have AGAIN! That's quite a few billion dollars that go right into our GDP!
Ritalin Twitch's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 17:31
Ritalin Twitch
Wait, Sony said that about copying their music?

Last I checked, they were willing to sell you the hardware to duplicate the CDs and the PS3 to rip music onto....Hell, they will sell you the media to back up your music and movies also.

Honestly, I dont think this is a case they could actually win. TV and movies tried it with the VCR and we all know how that turned out. Most likely its a tactic to scare settlement checks out of people for small amounts, since any sort of judgement they would recieve in a court from someone probably wouldn't even cover their legal fees, if it was recoverable at all. I know if they sued me for a buck fifty, Id have to give it to them on a 10 year payment plan right now.
Giggles With Crabs's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 17:32
Giggles With Crabs
Heh. Now I know why I really call them the "Rectally Infected Association of Assholes.
michiyoyoshiku's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 18:31
michiyoyoshiku
Why doesn't the government step in and stop them?
I wrote my senator about this and told them to do something about this

The RIAA needs to be disbanded
moominsean's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 19:07
moominsean
if you can't even do that with your cds, why bother buying them in the first place. just download music for free and skip the middle step of making some bastards rich in your illegal endeavors.

i think we should counter sue all the companies that make the products that allow us to illegally rip, record, store, playback, etc. all of our media. if i can't burn a cd of mp3s, shouldn't (company name) be at fault for selling a product that specifically advertises that feature on the box? or microsoft or apple for inclusing the ability to rip cds onto your computer and burning new cds from said material?

i remember when it was illegal to copy a cassette tape. but then i buy a cassette tape from, say, sony entertainment, then i have my dual tape deck that is made by sony that allows me to record a copy of the cassette tape onto another tape. it's all just a bunch of silly bullshit.
savagesaladin's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 19:09
savagesaladin
The RIAA can go fuck themselves in their eyes. Just for that I'm buying going to illegally download all of my music. FUCK YOU COCKSUCKERS!
entropyman's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 19:17
entropyman
the problem as I have always seen it is this:
the RIAA argues that you buy a LICENSE to use the music and not the music itself- that the media is in itself not yours do do with as you see fit so-
hypocracy #1
the RIAA says that copying to a device is a violation as it is an unauthorized "copy" (though you supposedly already own the license)
hypocracy #2
if you have in fact purcased the LICENSE and not the media then by an unsaid agreement that you have to have access to the media, if the licensesd material becomes damaged stolen lost or the media becomes outdated, you should have the music replaced for free, as you no longer have access to the music which you have already bought a license for.
hypocracy#3
in the RIAA lawsuits many different people have been sued over the same files shared- the RIAA claims that the 250k per song that they sue for is to recover losses of the song distributed, but at the same time will sue for the same file on another persons' computer- so the 250k penalty is NOT for a single song distribution, it is a personal penalty which is not allowed in civil court.
hypocracy#4
the RIAA claims losses based on projections of growth, when the RIAA (and MPAA for that matter) claim x amount of losses in the industry that loss is based on how much growth was projected for the industry and not how much physical loss happed to the companies (though how you can measure intent to purchase I have no idea). this leads to inflate #s in the industry to act the victim with regardless of how much they would have made in sales eg: the MPAA actually had their highest grossing year ever, but still claims that they lost $ based on projections
duhJeenyus's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 19:50
duhJeenyus
What the fuck is a CD? Oh yeah, those shiny circle things that used to get scratched all the time so I'd have to buy a second or third copy. I haven't bought a cd since...

hmm...

The Empire Strikes First by Bad Religion in 2005.

Fuck the RIAA. Fuck em in the ear.
maxio098ui's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 20:20
maxio098ui
lol im fucked i have 14000+ songs on my pc. i hate bittorrent and limewire:P
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 21:00
Samit Sarkar
Wow. So it’s an “unauthorized copy”, eh? So they’re asking me to authorize the copy with my wallet? Fuck that shit. As far as I was aware, they used to be okay with ripping a song to your computer for personal use, as long as you weren’t sharing the song. How much more draconian can you get? The infrastructure may not yet exist for digital distribution of movies, but how many songs has iTunes sold? Over a billion? Yeah, well...the CD is officially a relic of the 20th century. I like having physical copies of things (just so I can rip songs to whatever devices I want), but if they’re gonna start suing for that shit, they can go to hell.
MasterMS's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 21:01
MasterMS
Screw them
DOOM's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 21:23
DOOM
Most new music blows anyway!
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 21:57
Sharpless
@DOOM
Then you're just not looking hard enough.
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 00:18
The-Excel
@Eschatos:
I recommend you read Free Culture. The RIAA have done several lawsuits in recent years about this kind of thing. They managed to cheat one poor schmo out of his college tuition and his life savings all because he constructed a college-wide filesharing network that was capable of things he never intended to happen.
COL3's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 01:18
COL3
This is absolute garbage. I know that I am one of a very few people that I know who are still willing to buy the CD of a band that I care about. Can suing the people that have already paid to have "the privilege" of purchasing the CD's that have made these record labels rich in the first place, really turn back the clock & paint the labels in a favorable light? The labels are using a business model that in kind words can only be described as out-dated. I don't claim to have the answer to their problems, but suing the people who have already paid to own the music that they are selling is completely back-asswards.
Promagnum's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 01:38
Promagnum
Long live vinyl!

- And I've always found it funny that basically these 'laws' say that even though you bought the item, you actually do not own the item, it's merely on lease to you by the distributor/owners.
Cause if it was really yours, you could do whatever the fuck you want with it....well, besides make money. And this goes for all forms of media you purchase.

- Like Penn & Teller, it's bullshit
Promagnum's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 01:39
Promagnum
Oh, and whores.
liqideos's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 01:49
liqideos
So is this to say that we're technically leasing the cd's we buy?

Can we get a new standard in place that isn't headed by combative douches?
Atlas's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 05:11
Atlas
I think if we all downloaded our music for free off of Limewire and Rapidshare we could avoid copying music from our CD's to PC's.
oroku_saki's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 10:25
oroku_saki
Here's an idea: Stop listening to RIAA-backed music. Most of it's shit anyways that's probably not even worth downloading. I haven't purchased an RIAA-based CD since 2001 or 2002 for that very reason. Most of the stuff I would actually buy nowadays are indie artists I actually like, and I download less heavily protected works such as OCremix stuff.

The RIAA can eat a bowl of dicks. They seem to be pretty good at it anyways whenever money's involved.
reddye_5's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 10:50
reddye_5
They've really already lost this one. Have a read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act
xenon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 10:52
xenon
"So is this to say that we're technically leasing the cd's we buy?"

Not exactly leasing, but close. And I'm surprised to see everyone surprised. You own the CD as a physical object and a (very) limited set of usage permissions on the content. That's what you buy. The same is obviously true for movies, books, videogames...
Segasonicdude's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 11:50
Segasonicdude
I have Songs Ripped from Sega CD and Sega Saturn disc (Yes some of them had the Soundtracks on them)
AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 11:55
AgentMOO
By the way when someone puts out non-DRM pure mp3s, BUY IT! we need music we can use how we want!

Like In Rainbows was
Phyraks's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 13:07
Phyraks
The best part is that it's been this way for a long time. Technically when you buy a song/cd you are only paying for the right to use that music NOT to copy it. So by making a copy in any shape or form you're breaking the law. Now there's no way they'll ever be able to inforce it so we've got nothing to worry about, but it is quite stupid. My dad works for Sony and they've issued a company wide announcement that they aren't to have any music on their computers that can't be proven as the original copy they paid for; otherwise they'll be fired.
cooki's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 16:02
cooki
Good look RIAA with prosecuting every fucker in the western world and beyond who has a computer with some music on it.

At those odds I'll take my chances with getting caught.
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 16:15
The-Excel
@reddye_5:
Thank you very much for that heads-up. Now I have another weapon to put into the face of one specific person who just doesn't get it.
DJTyrant's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 17:52
DJTyrant
Ok, now they're just asking people to torrent all their music, this is just stupid.
DryvBy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 18:25
DryvBy
Ya know, this is a prime example of why we should be allowed to carry guns around in public. If some RIAA moron came a knockin', I'd come out shootin'.

Guns don't kill people. The RIAA just ticks people with guns off.
michiyoyoshiku's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/01/2008 21:57
michiyoyoshiku
We need to pressure the Government to disband the RIAA get writing.
xenon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/02/2008 09:06
xenon
"So is this to say that we're technically leasing the cd's we buy?"

Not exactly leasing, but close. And I'm surprised to see everyone surprised. You own the CD as a physical object and a (very) limited set of usage permissions on the content. That's what you buy. The same is obviously true for movies, books, videogames...
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