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RIAA: Ripping CDs to your hard disk is illegal photo

These days, there's little love left for the Recording Industry Association of America. It's understandable that they'd want to clean up music piracy, but they always seem to approach things in the worst way. Now they say that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music onto hard disk. What?

Washington Post article says that the music industry is going after collections of music on computers, now calling MP3s made from legally bought CDs "unauthorized copies" of copyrighted recordings. This comes from legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Arizona man who kept a collection of about 2,000 on his computer.

"I couldn't believe it when I read that," says Ray Beckerman, a New York lawyer who represents six clients who have been sued by the RIAA. "The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation."

In a different case, Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, said. that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,' " she adds.

If the RIAA is really standing behind this, that would mean that the ripped audio on my PS3 and Xbox 360 is illegal, not to mention the music on my PSP and most of the files on my iPod.

Is the RIAA really going to enforce this, or are they just getting desperate. 


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ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 10:48
ShadowXOR
This is a crock of shit and would be impossible to enforce or monitor. How do they know what's on my hard drive? It's impossible.

Where are they getting all of this money to sue people when they're supposedly losing so much? Fuck these people. Oh well, it doesn't really matter since I only purchase my music digitally now, I don't waste my time with hard copies.
Namelessted's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 10:51
Namelessted
If they actually started trying to enforce this it would be impossible. I don't know if I can think of anybod that doesn't have music on their computer. they would have to try and arrest everybody in teh country.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 10:52
Jim Sterling
Yet another fanciful bit of bullshit from the RIAA.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 10:53
king3vbo
After reading the engadget article that ShadowXOR linked, it makes a little more sense. I have heard members of the RIAA say that MP3s are infringement, but they've never put it in legal documentation; this is a first for that.
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 10:58
timtheterrible
Cars infringe on the ozone layer. Solution: sue all the drivers. Flawless.
topgeargorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:00
topgeargorilla
fuck that. I have about 6000 songs of hand downloaded and paid for music.

They can suck my balls.
DisablingEagle's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:02
DisablingEagle
Do I get 2 girls with that cup of coffee?
UreshiiShonen's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:07
UreshiiShonen
I suppose the only way to legally get music for an mp3 player in the future will be to use a legal downloading service... Hmm...Sounds like a clever bribe by Apple to get more people to use the iStore. Especially because the artists get more money from actual physical sale of a cd.
bmdubya's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:10
bmdubya
Well since the RIAA is losing money not only from illegally downloading music, but by big name recording artists like Trent Reznor and Radiohead distributing music in new ways, they have to make up some stupid laws to make some money again.
Boolean's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:10
Boolean
So...Ipods are illegal now?
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:12
Dexter345
...What? Do they want us to buy the CD, then buy the MP3 as well? Idiots.
Boolean's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:13
Boolean
""when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song."

Wait, so are they seriously saying that if I copy and paste 'Currentsong.mp3' 50 times from a CD I bought, that they just lost 50 cd sales?!
AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:15
AgentMOO
This has always been their stance on CD ripping; in their land of unicorns and leprechauns the prime minister of candyland has finally decided to enforce that. The absurdity is delicious.
Spartacus's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:16
Spartacus
When I first saw this story, I thought it was real.
PsychoSoldier's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:20
PsychoSoldier
Oh no I am a music pirate! I really don't understand how it is stealing when I bought the damn cd.
garrfunkel's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:25
garrfunkel
This makes no sense. It doesnt even make sense to argue about it because its so godamn stupid.

Stopping people from ripping CD's would almost definately stop most people with a mp3 player from buyin the CD's. There goes all the money spent on actually packaging and distributing the CD's. Idiots.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:27
Necros
*sigh*

Goddammit RIAA...
AKK's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:29
AKK
Eh. Let's kill every one of those fuckers and put people who understand in power.

When music and movies stop being so goddamn expensive, people will stop illegally downloading them.
lem's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:31
lem
Meh, i haven't bought a CD in years. In for a penny in for a pound i guess!
Teh_zombs's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:31
Teh_zombs
Oh shit... I'm a fugitive on the run.

I can totally get laid for this.
KingMe's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:35
KingMe
So how am I supposed to fill up my 30 GB iPod again?

Buy purchasing damn near ever song on iTunes? What would that result in? BILLION?!?!?!?!?

.....I think not
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:47
The-Excel
I thought they established this months ago. You're not allowed to open your CD case because there's monsters inside.
NihonTiger90's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:48
NihonTiger90
So they want us to re-buy content we already have?

Man, imagine if the NFL went after everyone who Tivo'd a game that was on TV for viewing later and nothing more. This is pretty much the same thing.
WDot's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:56
WDot
Wait a sec. The way Itunes works is that you buy an Itunes song, and then put it on your Ipod BUT THERE'S STILL A COPY ON THE PC. So do I have to buy all my Itunes songs twice? Or all my CD's three times? They wish.
AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 11:59
AgentMOO
CDs are no longer needed. RIAA, either go digital or die.
itemforty's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:01
itemforty
hahah @ The Excel
GeneralWong's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:09
GeneralWong
I dont care, i live in England and we cant fit anyone in our prisons at the moment so they can go fuck off. Let alone 80% of the population of the UK that does this terrible crime... i suppose they can release a few 100,000 illegal immigrants and pedophiles to make space?
cjpkiller's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:12
cjpkiller
well... looks like prison time for every music and computer owning american!!
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:14
Sharpless
Yeah, as others have said, they are NOT suing people for ripping CDs (yet). The original report was erroneous. They are, however, frowning upon it, saying it's "unauthorized."

Eat me, motherfuckers. I paid for it, I'm putting it on my damn computer.
Kryptinite's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:15
Kryptinite
The RIAA can suck my left nut.

As a matter of fact, I'm going make a video of me ripping every cd I've bought onto my Mac, into iTunes and email the video to whoever spews out this ridiculous bullshit.

Then I'm going to setup a paypal donation account because I'll probably be going to jail.
d0nfil0fi0's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:16
d0nfil0fi0
So that's why the Wii doesn't come with a Hard Drive... now it's not only the most insanely popular console in the market, but is also the only legal one.

Now we know what was really behind the drop of MP3 support in the Photo Channel.

Anyway, Fuck the RIAA.
JohnnyWadd's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:18
JohnnyWadd
Fuck them and their facist ways, if i own the CD then it is MINE and i can do whatever the fuck i want with it, end of story.
Jetsetlemming's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:23
Jetsetlemming
This has been their stance for a long while on ripping actually, and its not just bullshit, but hilarious laughable bullshit. If they actually tried to sue someone over this, they'd be violating the DMCA and American Fair Use law. Let them pontificate all they fucking want. In the mean time, make sure to keep your anti-spyware programs and Peer Guardian running and up to date, kiddies!
Jim's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:32
Jim
C'mon, does anybody take the RIAA (aka music mafia) seriously these days?

That's just a hilarious statement by a very confused person.

If we would live in RIAA country (where they eat babies and kill puppies!) then you would have to pay EXTRA for every device you use the your music files on. iPod? KA-CHING! Desktop PC? KA-CHING! Notebook PC? KA-CHING! etc.etc.etc.

Somebody better stop this lunatics!
BluFire's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:33
BluFire
The RIAA is just a bunch of cunts. Go to hell
SDogg554's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:39
SDogg554
@JohnnyWadd

right on man. thats been my stance on the issue the whole time. I have physical possession, fuck off RIAA.
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:44
Mxyzptlk
Dear RIAA: If you want people to take your claims about piracy seriously, stop making batshit insane claims about piracy. I can't wait for the day when their legal team goes too far and a judge smacks the living shit out of them for it.
wonky360's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:48
wonky360
on a side note: It may be illegal to tape the telly here in the uk. Who is going to enforce any of this.
The law is an ass.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/225400.stm
Angel Thanatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:48
Angel Thanatos
They have officially gone mad with power.
llllDrGONZOllll's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:51
llllDrGONZOllll
So if I play a CD more than once will I have to pay extra? Soon listening to music in public will become a crime. Boy I hope they don't come after me for that old tape collection I dubbed back in the day. I guess they'll have to go after all the old radio stations I got those coppies from.
DJP3DRO's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 12:53
DJP3DRO
Oh, okay, good luck going after everyone in the world who owns a computer then.
Impulsedaniel's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 13:15
Impulsedaniel
Just when you think you have heard it all the RIA comes up with another one of their brilliant ideals.
AlucardX24's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 13:18
AlucardX24
They're getting desperate, obviously. They weren't able to accomplish their past goals, so now they're looking for new ones.
SubOrbital's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 13:18
SubOrbital
Let's sue the RIAA for being fuckheads.
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 13:38
Dan CiTi
I love having had copies of my CDs(especially when the artwork/packaging is awesome), but this is purely retarded.
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 13:39
Dan CiTi
I love having hard* copies of my CDs(especially when the artwork/packaging is awesome), but this is purely retarded.
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/31/2007 13:42
Eschatos
Have they ever done any major lawsuits? Everyone already ignores them.
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