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Shame, I was kind of looking forward to buying it.
I guess I did the right thing when I downloaded R-Types instead...
I guess I did the right thing when I downloaded R-Types instead...
I almost bought this in advance of a trip down south for a wedding, but I went back to some message boards from a couple years back about the original game. It was mostly complaints about mechanics and asking about newer, better games in the genre. That was the hint I needed.
I appreciate the review. Frankly, I appreciate reviews like this of smaller stuff more, because it's hard to find them elsewhere.
I appreciate the review. Frankly, I appreciate reviews like this of smaller stuff more, because it's hard to find them elsewhere.
Wow: wasn't expecting this.
I think I remember you talking about it in brief on a past podtoid, but I had no idea it was this bad.
I think I remember you talking about it in brief on a past podtoid, but I had no idea it was this bad.
Man I'm glad I bought this before I read the review. As a fan of macross and mechs in general I actually like this game
downloaded it. Totally agree with Jim. I was expecting more upgrades and comabt that wasn't horribly clunky.
good thing it wasn't horribly expensive.
good thing it wasn't horribly expensive.
Good review, hopefully it keeps others from making the mistake of buying the game. Sure the transforming idea's cool, but pretty much every other shooter on PSN is much better than this game.
Yeah, I'd love to hear what Topher has to say about it.
It's truly unfortunate when a $10 game can't even merit it's cost. Bahh.
It's truly unfortunate when a $10 game can't even merit it's cost. Bahh.
Jim, while I agree with much of what you have said about Thexder Neo, I also disagee with many of the points that lead you to score this game so poorly. Thexder and Thexder Neo for that matter is one of those games where if you die, it's because you used poor judgment in navigating the area you died in. The controls are a little difficult, but in time they become second nature. Thexder is a beast and in its original form it would have been considered a Demon's Souls-like challenge. It is very much a game from the Mega-man/Rock-man school of hard games, and it is for this reason why it is in fact good. It has great potential to frustrate gamers, but for those who like games where perseverance is key, it's a true classic gaming gem. I would like to see a second opinion from Destructoid from a game that I have found to be both fun and incredibly affordable. 10 dollars is not a bad cost for a game like Thexder Neo.
I enjoyed it but it really did feel like the precursor to Alisia Dragoon on Genesis. Which is sad because, consdering the effort put into recreating the graphics, they could have taken it farther.
Its bad when r-type delta is 5.99 on the same service, And its playable on the ps3 itself. I too was a huge thexder fan when it came out but really its a lost opportunity to not update the game in any meaningful way other then purdy up the graphix. I mean armored core came out what 97? Square could have at least let us upgrade ANY part of the damn character to add some depth to what could be a really cool game. Mix mech building w/exploration and tight shooter sections and you could have a very quality title. But this. . . what a crappy revival.
"Worse is the fact that every time Thexder fires his weapons, his health depletes. Losing health from enemy attacks while expending that very same resource in order to fight is simply not fun."
But, that's the game.
You are judging the game for something it is not, instead of judging it for what it is. I beat the original PC-DOS Thexder (it wraps), and it was very fun. One of the best games from my childhood.
For remakes, there are two types of gamers. Gamers like me want the nostalgia and old school gameplay, and this game delivers, and then there are gamers who never really played the original (or were horrible at it) who expect a modern day (easy) game (that can be beat by just about anyone). They are two different groups who want two different things.
Reviewers always forget the OTHER group, and judge the game only in their camp. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that it is hard to review a remake, because really there are two scores to give out, for each set of gamers.
All this extra stuff you guys (of the other group) want would have killed the game for me. Overall, I think this is a bad review for not recognizing what the game is, and who it is for, (and only concentrating on what you wanted it to be instead)... but that's life I guess.
But, that's the game.
You are judging the game for something it is not, instead of judging it for what it is. I beat the original PC-DOS Thexder (it wraps), and it was very fun. One of the best games from my childhood.
For remakes, there are two types of gamers. Gamers like me want the nostalgia and old school gameplay, and this game delivers, and then there are gamers who never really played the original (or were horrible at it) who expect a modern day (easy) game (that can be beat by just about anyone). They are two different groups who want two different things.
Reviewers always forget the OTHER group, and judge the game only in their camp. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that it is hard to review a remake, because really there are two scores to give out, for each set of gamers.
All this extra stuff you guys (of the other group) want would have killed the game for me. Overall, I think this is a bad review for not recognizing what the game is, and who it is for, (and only concentrating on what you wanted it to be instead)... but that's life I guess.
I created an account just to ask you what in the hell are you smoking!? Granted I would rate it at about an 6/10, and that's mostly because they could have given us more levels. Whats sad here is that you gave a bad review on a game because you suck ass at it! And you have misinformed the readers, there is an easy mode that Jim seems to have forgotten to tell you all about, and that mode lets you start from the level you died on, not start all over. The 80's version was super hard and this is a REMAKE, so this version is going to be hard. I bet if they had changed it people would be pissed. The only thing you got right was your statement about the online play, you Jim like your hand eye cordination and skills at this game, suck.
What an awful review. It's because of people like you that good Japanese game designers are abandoning this style of game in order to cater to more "western" (read: watered down) tastes. Of course you would name-drop Ikaruga like so many fakes do in order to pretend they're not averse to playing challenging games. I am curious how much you actually played the game. I'm sure you didn't beat it--you couldn't have because your comment on how useless the jet is PROVES that you don't even know how to properly play the game.
The fact that they barely deviated from the original game's design, which you cited as a fault (lol), shows how timeless good design can be. Frankly, the fact that using your weapon or shields takes away from your energy is brilliant. This forces the player think hard about in what situations to use their arsenal. The game teaches you within the first 5 minutes of the game that, despite its outward appearances, this is not a run-and-gun. If you insist on playing it like one, you will reap the consequences. Take it slowly, and carefully analyze every room and enemy...having one life ensures you'll have plenty opportunities to do so. What's even better is that even though the game encourages you to play this way it also scores on time, so there's a nice little tug of war going on. The game is a perfect example of the "freedom inside of restriction" tenet that Tokuro Fujiwara advocates (I bet you think Ultimate Ghosts and Goblins is a bad game too! *snicker*). The fact that you have no extra lives is just the game's way in guiding you to be careful, learn how to properly play the game and learn the level layouts. Thexder Neo is game design 101.
Since it's obvious you hate challenging games there was no way you would have liked the game...that aside, you couldn't even give the fantastic soundtrack a nod? No mention of it at all. C'mon...how did you even get your job? Pathetic. I haven't read anymore of your reviews, and I probably won't be since I don't really visit Desctructoid (I'm only here now because you are one of the few English sites to have actually reviewed this game), but here's hoping other people call you out on your BS as well.
The fact that they barely deviated from the original game's design, which you cited as a fault (lol), shows how timeless good design can be. Frankly, the fact that using your weapon or shields takes away from your energy is brilliant. This forces the player think hard about in what situations to use their arsenal. The game teaches you within the first 5 minutes of the game that, despite its outward appearances, this is not a run-and-gun. If you insist on playing it like one, you will reap the consequences. Take it slowly, and carefully analyze every room and enemy...having one life ensures you'll have plenty opportunities to do so. What's even better is that even though the game encourages you to play this way it also scores on time, so there's a nice little tug of war going on. The game is a perfect example of the "freedom inside of restriction" tenet that Tokuro Fujiwara advocates (I bet you think Ultimate Ghosts and Goblins is a bad game too! *snicker*). The fact that you have no extra lives is just the game's way in guiding you to be careful, learn how to properly play the game and learn the level layouts. Thexder Neo is game design 101.
Since it's obvious you hate challenging games there was no way you would have liked the game...that aside, you couldn't even give the fantastic soundtrack a nod? No mention of it at all. C'mon...how did you even get your job? Pathetic. I haven't read anymore of your reviews, and I probably won't be since I don't really visit Desctructoid (I'm only here now because you are one of the few English sites to have actually reviewed this game), but here's hoping other people call you out on your BS as well.
Both, actually. They can be independent of one another. I disagree with your opinion on the game AND I think your summarization of that opinion is very poor.
Jim, despite the insutls and whatnot, James makes a lot of very insightful points on the gameplay issues; I agree with them all. And I am someone who has played and beat the original Thexder. Not bragging, just attempting to prove I understand the game style and how it works. This game was challenging and very fun.
Like I said in my earlier post, there's two scores to give out. One for each camp: One of the true Thexder fans, who don't want change in gameplay, and one for newcomers like yourself, who want upgrades. (Just think about Bionic Cammado: Rearmed and how the left out jumping just to stay true to the original.)
Curious if you played or beat the original? I would bet not. And if not, the game deserves to be reviewed by someone who is a "true" fan (as well as deserves a review from a newcomer.)
The perils of retro remade reviews.............
Like I said in my earlier post, there's two scores to give out. One for each camp: One of the true Thexder fans, who don't want change in gameplay, and one for newcomers like yourself, who want upgrades. (Just think about Bionic Cammado: Rearmed and how the left out jumping just to stay true to the original.)
Curious if you played or beat the original? I would bet not. And if not, the game deserves to be reviewed by someone who is a "true" fan (as well as deserves a review from a newcomer.)
The perils of retro remade reviews.............
You gave that unfinished piece of shit that is Sonic 4 and almost perfect score and then bash a classic game. Go fuck yourself Jim Sterling.
Both, actually. They can be independent of one another. flagyl without prescription I disagree with your opinion on the game AND I think your summarization of that opinion is very poor.
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